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No, of course not Yes, of course it IS.
Debate Score:45
Arguments:38
Total Votes:58
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If the means of production stays in private hands, is it socialism?

No, of course not

Side Score: 19
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Yes, of course it IS.

Side Score: 26
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Definition of socialism

1 : any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods

2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property

b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state

3 : a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

Vladimir Lenin:

"The goal of Socialism is Communism."

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/vladimir lenin136421

Side: No, of course not
1 point

Govt. owns the financial risk of banking (FDIC)

Govt. owns the financial risk of farming (FCIC)

.....plus direct payment of subsidies and price supports through buying all the taxpayers can of the 3 times supply of dairy the market demands to create a taxpayer price support.

Govt. owns the financial risk of pensions. (PBCG)

Govt. owns the financial risk of overseas private [sic] investors. (OPIC)

Govt. taxpayers supports ethanol which does no good, hurts cars and takes 2200 gal. of fresh water to make 1 gal. of fuel.

Taxpayers (govt.) owned the risk of wall street fraud. TARP Socialism is alive and well in America. Wall street gives America the richest socialists in world history.

Taxpayers owned S&L fraud. (RTC)

Oh but for govt. to own the risk of our health in say an FHIC ya'know Federal Health Insurance Corp. just like the capitalist enjoys, now that would be socialism. You are to just go to the ER or go ahead and die.

It's called socialism for the rich...capitalism for the poor.

Side: No, of course not
1 point

If the means of production stay in private hands, it could be fascism.

Side: No, of course not
Blood(218) Disputed
1 point

If the means of production stay in private hands, it could be fascism.

Fascism= Mostly state run

Capitalism= Mostly private

Socialism= Mostly collectively run

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
outlaw60(14557) Disputed
1 point

How can private run business mostly be state run ??? Give up your spun out view on that !

Side: No, of course not
1 point

ROTFFLMMFAO ! A so called business man would ask this IGNORANT question ! I am just quoting the FOOL that typed it up !!!!!!!!!! If the means of production stays in private hands, is it socialism?

SUPER STUPID does your LYING ASS have a FUCKIN BRAIN ???????????

Side: No, of course not
1 point

I wonder what STUPOR STUPID has to say about this and is it CONFUSING to the STUPID TROLL !!!!!!!!

https://pipeline101.org/Where-Are-Pipelines-Located

The United States has the largest network of energy pipelines in the world, with more than 2.4 million miles of pipe. The network of crude oil pipelines in the U.S. is extensive. There are approximately 72,000 miles of crude oil lines in the U.S. that connect regional markets.

Is that means of production SOCIALISM in your FUCKIN PEA BRAIN ?????????

Side: No, of course not
2 points

I think you need to ask Captain Blood the resident socialist expert what socialism is and isn’t as it changes its mind every posting , his latest rant has him saying Stalinism is ..........socialism

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
Blood(218) Disputed
0 points

I think you need to ask Captain Blood the resident socialist expert what socialism is and isn’t as it changes its mind every posting

It's not my fault you are a retarded ass nugget. I have never changed my mind, you are just grasping for any excuse to be a dick because you suck.

his latest rant has him saying Stalinism

There is no such ideology as "Stalinism" you ignoramus cock sucker. Stalin himself was a Marxist Leninist who was not as wise as Lenin and more irresponsible as a leader.

Side: No, of course not
outlaw60(14557) Disputed
1 point

Private industry has to rebuild the infrastructure and guess what that is in private hands !

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
Jody(1241) Disputed
1 point

There is no such ideology as “Stalinism”

Stalinism

/ˈstɑːlɪnɪz(ə)m/Submit

noun

the ideology and policies adopted by Stalin, based on centralization, totalitarianism, and the pursuit of communism.

Oh dear , do you actually ever get anything right .......wait no need to answer that

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
Jody(1241) Disputed
1 point

There is no such ideology as “Stalinism”

Stalinism

/ˈstɑːlɪnɪz(ə)m/Submit

noun

the ideology and policies adopted by Stalin, based on centralization, totalitarianism, and the pursuit of communism.

Oh dear , do you actually ever get anything right .......wait no need to answer that

I don’t mean to be patronizing ( that means I don’t wish to appear to talk down to you ) but here is something that may help you in your confusion .....read it slowly there are some big words in the piece .........

An ideology is a collection of normative beliefs and values that an individual or group holds for other than purely epistemic reasons.

The term was coined by Antoine Destutt de Tracy in 1796, who conceived it as the "science of ideas". In contemporary philosophy it is narrower in scope than that original concept, or the ideas expressed in broad concepts such as worldview, imaginary and ontology.

In contemporary political science it is used in a descriptive sense to refer to political belief systems. There are many political ideologies.

In the sense defined by French Marxist philosopher Louis Althusser, ideology is "the imagined existence (or idea) of things as it relates to the real conditions of existence".

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
outlaw60(14557) Disputed
0 points

Brit Troll stop the spinning it shows how stupid you are. Now if government is going to rebuild the infrastructure who is going to do that ? Are Members of Congress going to shutdown the government to get their hands dirty by doing manual labor ????

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
1 point

The means of production can be private for a publicly funded service using those goods.

The means of service can be provided in a publicly funded manner while the goods used are privately funded.

Even if some resources and workers involved with the means of production are publicly funded and the process is partly state-run, it's possible that the overall product is considered non-Socialist and/or vice versa.

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
1 point

Good question con. Strict definitions of socialism seem to neglect models wherein the government takes the fruit of your labor by force specifically to give it to someone else. What do you call it when the means are not socialized, but the ends are? Theft? Slavery? Just don’t call it socialism.

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
Blood(218) Disputed
0 points

Theft? Slavery?

In capitalism the owners steal "surplus value" created by workers and the majority of people end up working for owners all their lives.

In capitalism the purpose of your existence is either to produce profit for someone else or to use other people to make profit for yourself. People who truly earn a considerable amount of wealth by doing things of true merit are the exception, not the norm.

Side: No, of course not
Amarel(4910) Disputed
1 point

You are operating on the labor theory of value (whether you know it or not). It’s a long defunct theory with no merit. You also seem to have missed the part where the government takes the fruit of your labor by force rather than by voluntary association.

No one can steel anything if you willingly give it in exchange for something they willingly give you. That’s simply the Marxist myth used to fire up those who aren’t so capable in a competitive free market, giving them moral sanction to steel what’s not theirs while claiming to simply be taking it back.

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
Jody(1241) Disputed
1 point

In capitalism the owners steal "surplus value"

So workers sign contracts knowing they’re being robbed by their employer yet do so willingly ......really?

created by workers and the majority of people end up working for owners all their lives.

If you do not like the conditions of your employment change jobs , one is free to do so

In capitalism the purpose of your existence is either to produce profit for someone else or to use other people to make profit for yourself.

The purpose of a business is to make money and why should an owner not profit? He / she sets the business up pays the rental on a property , machinery , etc, etc , yet the socialist whines he’s being robbed but invests nothing into the business but yet willingly takes a wage

People who truly earn a considerable amount of wealth by doing things of true merit are the exception,

What are things of merit in your view ?

Side: Yes, of course it IS.
outlaw60(14557) Disputed
1 point

Well you have failed to mention small business owners with this stupid insane rant you made and i quote you. The majority of people end up working for owners all their lives. What is the percentage when you refer to majority ???????????

Side: Yes, of course it IS.