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I would get him to believe that the most important thing for him to do is to get the Jews out of Germany before he could bring back the Third Reich. I would tell him that he can't kill the Jews.
I would get him to make a deal with England to make Palestine a Jewish state. Then to make a deal with the Americans to switch over from the gold standard to the oil standard. Then force the other Arab states to sell oil only in dollars.
Then get the Americans and Brits to help keep the other Arab states at bay while Germany destroyed the Dome of the Rock.
Once that's done, get the Jews to create their own state in Palestine and rebuild their Temple on the Temple Mount.
I would then watch and see if these bible prophecies come true.
If NOT..., then I would go back in time and shoot Hitler's ass before anyone knows who the hell Hitler is and what Nazis are. ;)
I wouldn't, cause then perhaps none of us would exist. And that bullshit about making Palestine a Jewish state early on..? Wow. Bad idea. Never should have been done in the first place. Half of all Jewish people live in the Americas and about 30% more around the world. Hardly any Jews in relation to their global population live in Israel. Kicking out all the Palestinians was a terrible idea. What did they do to deserve that?!
OK..., you make a good point. I now have another idea.
We create a Jewish state in the southern most part of the mainland U.S.A. Right along the border between Mexico and the U.S. The Israelis are pretty good at preventing illegal border crossings. We would thus solve 3 problems at the same time.
1. Create Jewish state (check)
2. Stop illegal immigration into the U.S. (check)
3. Create a Palestinian state in Palestine (check)
Sounds good enough :L All I don't like is the Israelis saying that is is their land and they have a right to kick out the Palestinians and kill them in Gaza because" God promised it to them a few thousand years ago." Most Jews do live in the states, so let them stay where they want to, and stop stealing land from the Palestinians!
Ok all of you guys made good replies now it's my turn. I will totally help Hitler won the war for a few resons first :
1. No USSR - the Soviet government murdered millions of its own people during its 70 year reign. Also most ex-soviet countries are still recovering and trying to get on par with the rest of the world (be it as a standart of life , economy etc.)
2. No cold war (because there would be no USSR)
3. No Communist Eastern Europe/Iron Curtain (as said in point 1)
4. No Red China and Mao's subsequent killing of 40 - 60 million Chinese (the USSR created favorable conditions for Mao's Communists which ultimately led to Mao's victory over Chiang Kai-shek's Nationalists in 1949, thus if no USSR, no Mao victory)
5. No Communist North Vietnam
6. No communist Cuba
7. No communist everywhere for the matter of fact (Hitler was anti communist)
8. Liberalism & multiculturalism wouldn't dominate Western ethos (both are Jewish creations and both have always been heavily promoted/advanced by Jews; thus if no Jewish influence, then no liberalism and no multiculturalism... at least certainly nowhere near the degree we see today)
9. No third world immigration into Western nations (Jews wouldn't be in power positions to craft and force through liberal immigration laws; Jews are responsible for each Western nation's liberal immigration policy, as most were orchestrated by the World Jewish Congress)
10. No depraved filth on TV, in movies, etc. (because Jews wouldn't run Hollywood)
11. No man-hating radical feminist movement (Jews such as Betty Friedan, Sonia Pressman, and Gloria Steinem, among others, were the key drivers of radical feminism)
12 . No Israel and all the problems it has brought the USA and the immeasurable misery it has wrought on the Palestinians
These are one of the many things that would have changed if Hitler won the war so my question to you guys is why not ?
Even if half of these reasons were valid, which they are not, it's reason enough not to help Hitler that if he had won he would have continued his genocide until all the Jews in the world were dead. I couldn't ever help anyone trying to entirely exterminate any group of people, in any way or for any reason. Even if they I liked other things about helping the person, genocide negates those for me.
The Holocaust has been grossly exaggerated by organized Jewry in order to create sympathy for Jews worldwide and thus help advance the Jewish agenda (i.e., people seen as victims tend to get their way). It is also used as a political weapon to justify Israeli militarism against the Palestinians. Hitler's Final Solution (rebranded in the early 1970's as the "Holocaust") was a plan to remove Jews from Europe, not to kill them. During WWII, just as the U.S. couldn't trust Japanese Americans, thus causing FDR to round many of them up and place them in concentration camps, Hitler couldn't trust Jews since many were partisans sympathetic to the USSR and hence they aided the USSR in various subversive, anti-German activities. Therefore the Nazis rounded up Jews and placed them in concentration camps.
Somewhere around one million Jews died during WWII (not six million) mostly due to disease and starvation in the final months of the war. Heavy Allied bombing of Germany and parts of German occupied Europe destroyed many roads, rail lines, and bridges making it impossible for Germany to adequately supply the camps with food and medicine. The result is that many Jews died of starvation and disease; and of course many non-Jews also died of starvation and disease (again, due to a massive Allied bombing campaign and its destruction of German transportation infrastructure). Lastly, there were no "gas chambers." Much has been written about this. To study the "gas chamber" subject, read the research papers published by Germar Rudolf & Carlo Mattogno.
Hitler never wanted to "conquer the world." He simply wanted to safeguard Europe and the greater Western World from all manner of nefarious Jewish influence and, more broadly, safeguard the world-at-large specifically from, 1) usurious Jewish banking and, 2) Jewish-driven cultural degradation.
Was World War II "the good war?" No, it was exactly the opposite. The Allied victory marked the beginning of the end of Western Civilization.
Aha! You, my friend, are stricken with a debilitating case of Holocaust Denial. I haven't actually yet had the misfortune of meeting someone with your particular ailment, but let me try to do something to cure it for you, now, and try to reel you back into reality.
The Holocaust is not a theory. The Holocaust is a historical fact; if those words have any real meaning, at all, it applies here. The Holocaust has been accepted as fact by an absolutely absurd majority of all scholars today (up to 100%, in some scholarly circles).
Because the arguments denying the holocaust rely either upon gross ignorance and a failure to comprehend the facts, or upon gross ignorance and a blatant bias against Jews; antisemitism. This means your argument amounts to either dumb gibberish, or hate speech. You're either an idiot or a racist.
Of course, there's plenty of room for you to be both.
If that were true than all the killing and cruelty present during World War II definitely wouldn't have happened. Hitler wanted to kill the Jews. Plain and simple. If he didn't than we wouldn't have made the concentration camps so ruthless, he wanted to have ultimate control over Germany and used it's downfall from War World I as his selling point. He took control of all the shame felt from losing WWI and blamed it on a weak and easily disliked group of people, the Jews.And also if he did not want or care about the Jews dying then why did he make such a big point of having then exterminated? He could have went after any other group, or just people in general. After brainwashing people that they were to blame for their down fall in WWI he gain power and went on to conquer the world. There is no doubt in my mind that he wanted to rule the world, no one in his position would not. If you look at his personality from a psychological point of view, want of power and control is totally normal. He had several flaws that would have caused him to develop a inferiority complex, thus he enjoyed people looking up to him, bowing before him, being controlled by him. And what about this Jewish agenda? The Jewish community has been hated and excluded from centuries, WWII was nothing new other than the killing was on a more global level. The Jewish today still are not seen as victims unless the topic of WWII is brought up, i have never heard or seen a Jewish person try and get sympathy through using the genocide of their people during WWII. Hitler stated that he wanted to dispose of everyone who was Jewish, gay, disabled, a gypsy, and basically not perfect in his eyes (e.i. blonde, white, blue eyed). So even though the Jews were the main point of hate at that time they weren't the only ones. Would that mean that every minority uses WWII as a sympathy ploy to 'get their way'? Also as you said only about one million Jews died during the Holocaust out of the six million deaths. That's one sixth. One sixth is a lot if you consider no other group of people probably equaled that in the number of deaths during WWII, you have to also think of why the Jewish died. Yes some died of starvation, sickness and other such normal causes during the war but think about how they were treated during that time. The Jewish were almost totally out-casted and had almost no one but each other to turn to for help. They were betrayed by neighbors, killed going down the street, and given absolutely no sympathy. Many of their deaths were not in Germany but around the world. No Jewish person was safe. Many starved because they were Jewish, no one wanted to help them. One last issue I would like to address is your all to noticeable bias against Jewish people. The way you worded your first few sentences gives off the feeling that you dislike Jewish people. That they are manipulating attention seekers with a selfish agenda up their sleeves, a very narrow minded view point that should not affect someones opinion on a topic such as this.
It's funny how everyone thinks Hitler was the pure manifestation of evil and everyone just wants to be on the "good side" denying anything good that Hitler made (for example he build the highways in Germany). Let's take a look at Francisco Franco , I think the similarities between him and Hitler are obvious. He build up Spain basically from scratch. While Francisco Franco was in power he helped to stabilize the economy of Spain which had been ruined after the civil war which had taken place. For me Franco was the smartest fascist leader of all time because he avoided WWII while staying true to his ideas. Here's a quote he made :
“I am responsible only to God and history.”
That said history is written by the winners not by the good guys , so basically we are all biased to some extend. And I also want to say something to the guys that are so hell-bent on killing Hitler , imagine this : Hitler dies before he rises to power , Russia grows stronger under Stalin and enters a war with Europe. Who's gonna stop them ? Not Hitler he's dead. France , Italy , England and other countries would be no match for Russia. You say Hitler killed Jews , but what about Stalin ? He closed the Ukrainian border for a year starving the whole population to death. What are 6 million Jews compared to 25% of Ukrainian population dead of which at least three million were children. Hitler's idea wasn't perfect but at least he was better than Stalin. And all those post WWII communism deaths would be avoided. Hitler had standards : jews , gypsies , russians where Stalin killed whoever he liked.
PS: I am writing this response in 4 a.m in the morning , please excuse me if there's some grammar errors or something.
I know! I've never met someone afflicted with it. You really have to be a special kind of stupid to buy into that crap, not your everyday, man-in-the-street sort of stupid, really above and beyond the usual standard of pig-headed ignorance.
Help him, no. But, if I had more time to learn German, I would prevent him from committing suicide. I mean come one, for a start have you looked at him, in the last couple of years of the war he had aged by about 20, he was sick and he had parkinsons. The trial would probably have lasted 'till now! Someone as big, as influential as him, you can't just say "Life in prison!" They would just have helped him n :KL But no I would go back and talk to him. The bastard he might be a man like him, you'd like to know what's going through his mind (apart from the bullet on April 30th :P)
You don't have to learn German. Just use mime. Pretend you are shooting yourself in the head with a gun (you can use your thumb and index finger for this part) and then shake your head indicating "NO!" You can also wave your arms to try and indicate "NO!" or you can use the German word for no which is "Nein!!!" it is pronounced "nine." ;)
ja, ich sprechei ein klein Deutche. But that's about it :L I would have just enough time to call him an a schweinhundt and ashloch and i'd be on my way!