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LSD is best smoked. It's paper so it burns well. Same with shrooms. Those crackle when you smoke them, so you know it's working. Also severe brain damage. =D
God: Yes! That is the miracle/beauty of free will! (Something like that i think)
I doubt God would circumvent his own laws just to impose his supremacy over man kind(God is kinda like an closed being in this case). The no debate argument suggests that we're being screwed over by a Mad God, if not the Devil.
I have heard from many scholars that if you are under the impression you are seeing a miracle, it is far more likely you are having a hallucination than that the laws of nature have been suspended in your favor.
That being said, I am very familiar with what it is like to hallucinate. I've hallucinated a lot of things, enough so that I'm getting pretty good at calling out what's real and what's in my head. I think I would be able to tell if god was just a hallucination and not actually god. There's no way of knowing, but just based on past experience, that's what I'd guess.
Either way, I wouldn't debate him over his existence. At that point, his existence is pretty clear. I would debate him over his moral merit and superiority. I would ask why I should follow a heartless bastard like himself, other than to avoid frying for eternity.
This is why monotheistic religious people really do have their work cut out for them when it comes to convincing me of the truth of their religion. They have to assert and prove an intelligent creator; from there, they have to show that this intelligent creator is specifically the one described in their religion as opposed to all the other religions; and then, they have to persuade me that this god is actually one worth following. Your argument assumes the first two points, so there's no point in debating existence; it's straight onto "why would I worship a tyrannical asshole like the god of the Bible?
I could do wayyy better, joe. So could you. I'm sure you could think of something more worthy of worship than some Zeus-wannabe hiding out somewhere in Cloud Kingdom.
What I am saying is that if there is a God, then He is probably pretty wise (given the amount of time in this universe, He must have learned something). Which means that given the same problem and constraint, you will probably arrive at the same conclusion He has. Or that your solution will be percieved as being no better.
Unless you are saying that God, if He exists, enjoys torturing us and that if you were in His shoes you wouldn't find any pleasure in a little torture ;)
No, but I'd definitely want to get to the bottom of a few things. Like what his "plan" really consists of, and why to fulfill that plan he needs countless innocent people to die. Like why he needs to judge people based on their personal choices that don't affect him. And also, why he is so full of a petty human emotion like jealousy, thus persecuting all people who believe in (a) different god(s), ways of thinking etc.
I would not debate it about if it is existing, because I'm assuming if I met it/him, I would know for certain that it in fact exists, as opposed to me having faith it exists without seeing it physically yet feeling it through experience. I would probably ask it a ton of questions, such as "Why did you make it complicated for us to believe in you?", or "Are there others like you, or are you the only one, forever?", or "Will you be staying for good or do you have other plans?", or "Have there been another universe before this one that which you were the god everyone was talking about?", questions like these intrigue me.
If you are arguing with a hallucination, you are arguing with yourself.
All hallucinations and dreams are versions of yourself.
That out of the way, it would be pointless to debate with God on his existence. Clearly that is settled... he exists.
Instead, I would ask him many questions on the nature of his and my existence. I would just have so many things I would want to know. No point in debating the creator of everything. I'd rather just learn from him.
I believe that there is only 1 God and that is Jesus Christ so I believe the other gods are fake and unreal and I believe that Jesus Christ is the only true God.
I am pretty sure that they wouldn't see Thor or any other god but Jesus Christ.
If Jesus turns out to be fake after you die, and you go to Valhalla and there is no Jesus or Yahweh, what will you do?
I know my God isn't fake I believe that He exists and there is plenty of evidence I gave out but that isn't enough for you, I gave you all the evidence I have but you come up with stupid excuses like "that's not evidence, or that's not proof or I need more evidence."
I know I am not going to be there because I obey what God said in His word about Heaven and how there is only 1 God. I am not afraid of all the other's gods those are all just fake and try to confuse others from the true belief which is Christianity.
You completely evaded the question. It was hypothetical. If you went to Valhalla what would you say/think/do? Simple. Dont dodge around it.
Simply believing something exists doesnt make it real. For example, if i believe a flying spaghetti monster is real, does that mean he's real? or a unicorn? or a flaming sabretooth tiger? NO. The universe doesnt bend to your will.
You're right for once. Whatever "evidence" you presented clearly wasnt enough to convince anyone and probably for a good reason. Because it's garbage. It probably wasnt even evidence. Go ahead and post all of it again and id be happy to go back and dispute it point by point for you with reasons why its wrong or unusable.
Tha last part you just went back to preaching. You sound so ignorant and like a huge bigot. The Greeks thought Zeus was real and prayed to him. The Hindus think Krishna is real with all their hearts. The Persians prayed to Mithra. Your god is no different than those ones! All of those religions have holy books that tell them what happened. You have the bible. All of those gods pass judgement on people after they die and answer prayers, so does yours. What, just because you dont believe in them they're stupid? Especially when you yourself believe the same crap? You're an ignorant asenine fool. How can you go and say, "Oh he's rediculous, and oh those gods are so silly! But this god is actually legit and all this really happens" ?
How can they "mislead" people from christianity if they came BEFORE your god? You think your god and religion came first?! NO WAY! Ancient pagans were the first! How can people that precede your god by thousands of years predict that your religion will exist and systematically try to lead future people away? The world doesnt work according to your religion. Theres no master scheme to lead people away. It's not the central religion that all other religions must bend to. You are so full of yourself its insane.
You always try to use pascals wadger on atheists (what if you're wrong?) well now i ask you. What if YOU'RE wrong? Please no, "im not wrong god's real" BS. Seriously, think about it and answer the question. What. If. You're. Wrong?
