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YOURSELF My COUNTRY gave me opportunity
Debate Score:27
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If you're black and get RICH, should you be GRATEFUL to your country, or YOURSELF??

Hello:

If you're WHITE and get rich, is it because YOU'RE great, or your COUNTRY?

excon

YOURSELF

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My COUNTRY gave me opportunity

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If you are where you are solely because of your country, than anyone or everyone would be in the same position by virtue of the fact that they live in the same country.

As an adult, you are the primary cause of your condition (for most). If you are well off, be thankful the country protected the rights you needed to get where you are, but know that you did it. If you are not well off, be thankful the country protects the rights needed to get there one day, but know it is you who has to do it.

This isn't a race topic...

Side: YOURSELF
1 point

As an adult, you are the primary cause of your condition (for most)

What complete BS. Are you one of those people who just never grew up and learned how the world really works? How is it possible that you can be so ignorant?

Let me tell you who blames the homeless for being homeless, the hungry for being hungry and the dead for being dead. Douchebags. That's who.

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity
Amarel(5669) Disputed
1 point

Character attract rather than thoughtful rebuttal. Who would have predicted that from you,

I've been homeless, poor, and hungry. Have you? As this isn't about me or you, or who you'll pretend to be, I have digressed.

My statements come from experience in the real world, not from ignorance. Your statements, as always, come from the frustration that accompanies your intellectual impotence. Otherwise you could make a real point.

You're amusing to watch tough guy.

Side: YOURSELF
1 point

What complete BS. Are you one of those people who just never grew up and learned how the world really works? How is it possible that you can be so ignorant

God you're an idiot.

Side: YOURSELF
1 point

Let me tell you who blames the homeless for being homeless

In many cases the ones claiming the homeless choose to be homeless are? The homeless. Google it and come back with your findings.

But... let's go with your logic instead. If there are people choosing to not be homeless everywhere, shouldn't we help them out and get them off the streets before taking more immigrants from say, Pakistan? Ya know, the whole "getting your priorities in order" thing. Kind of like grown ups do. Your family first. Strangers second...

Side: YOURSELF
excon(18261) Disputed
1 point

This isn't a race topic...

Hello A:

You're free not to answer............

excon

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity
Amarel(5669) Clarified
0 points

Thanks, but I did answer. The answer is applicable to rich white folks or rich black folks.

Side: YOURSELF
Mint_tea(4641) Clarified
0 points

I think I get what you are saying but I don't necessarily agree with it.

I DO think if you are going to get anywhere in life you need to fight tooth and nail for it. I genuinely dislike the term "white privilege" because it not only bushes off every single time I've had to fight to get something, it lessens my efforts and gives some people a casual excuse to blame others for not getting what they want in life....even if that something wasn't fought for.

That being said, there is a problem in this country with racial profiling. There really is. To what extent? I don't honestly know. The news gives us so much bad it's almost a knee-jerk reaction to think racism when we don't always have all the facts.

I have been given some opportunities through this country to be where I am, but I have gotten a ton of bumps, brushes and broken nails along the way as I've fought for it and I've had to make smart'ish decisions and sacrifices. I've also been held back because of something I have no control over, and that's when I've fought the hardest. I'd say, even if you are self-made, regardless of race, it's a combination of what's been provided and what's been fought for.

Side: YOURSELF
Amarel(5669) Clarified
1 point

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with. As the primary cause of your own condition, you cannot choose the other variables in life, but you choose how to interact with them. In other words, you don't choose the cards you're dealt, but you choose how to play the hand. This seems to be what you are saying, and it fits with what I have said.

That being said, there is a problem in this country with racial profiling. There really is. To what extent? I don't honestly know. The news gives us so much bad it's almost a knee-jerk reaction to think racism when we don't always have all the facts.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say we think racism. Do you mean we jump to a racist conclusion; or do you mean we jump to racism as a conclusion?

Concerning racial profiling, can you tell me the nature of the problem in this country?

Side: YOURSELF
2 points

Welcome to the Boomtown where there are plenty of victims to go around and the money makes such a succulent sound.

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity

I'd take credit and then say my country sucks. Then I'd move to Pakistan and become rich there to prove it...

But seriously, did they do it on their own? Yep. How? Hard work meeting a country of opportunity.

According to Obama they didn't do it on their own. "You didn't build that." as he so politely told anyone of success. Of course then, he now takes over a million dollars in money and perks annualy and lives high on the hog without flipping a dime to his brothers and sisters... but whatever...

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity

Or how about we just turn the question around Con? If you're brown, Asian, White, Arab, etc, and you're rich, did you do it on your own...

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity
2 points

I don't understand why they can't be grateful for both? Neither the individual nor the conditions created by the country accomplished it all in a vaccuum.

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity
Amarel(5669) Clarified
2 points

Oh no. You don't get out of this conundrum that easy. Either your country gives you everything you have ever had, or you are single handedly and solely responsible for it, just like every other Crusoe around.

Side: YOURSELF
Grenache(6053) Clarified
2 points

It's not a conundrum just because you say it is. There is no mutual exclusivity.

If I truly had to pick one or the other then I'd give credit to the individual. Happy now?

Side: YOURSELF
Chinaman(3570) Disputed
0 points

Racist overtones escape those that are simpleminded and not accomplished at noticing it.

Side: YOURSELF
Grenache(6053) Clarified
2 points

Says the "Chinaman" who is really Outlaw. ...........................................

Side: YOURSELF
2 points

You should just be grateful. It's not good to take too much pride in the self. God gives grace to the humble, but resists the proud.

I'm grateful that God made me the way I am. If God made me another way, I'd be grateful too. God made me this way, so I should be grateful, and not be envious.

In 1,000 years they may be asking, "If your hair is red and you get rich, should you be grateful to your country, or grateful for yourself?"

As long as you believe in these races, racism isn't going to go away.

Definition of "race" courtesy of merriam-webster

"a class or kind of people unified by shared interests, habits, or characteristics"

So who determines what "shared interests, habits, or characteristics" determine someone's race?

Race was made up by THE MAN to keep us all DOWN. The people who come up with this stuff think of all people as cattle. They don't care what color skin you are. They care about their formulas syncing with what is going on in their environment.

Woah, institutionalized racism.

Hey, if the government isn't supposed to discriminate based on race, sex, or any of these things, why is it that they ask these questions on all government forms?

They use this information and use it to improve their marketing.. er.. propaganda... er.. indoctrination? Shift towards totalitarian control? Yeah, they use this information for something.

Like being racist.

But nah, ya'll can keep on filling out them government paper works, answering every single one of the questions they ask. Go on, tell them everything. While you are at it, live your whole life though a computer screen or a smart phone and just let them collect everything about yourself. Voluntarily give all this information out!

Of course they are using this information. They use this information to control everyone. Who are THEY?

I dunno. Probably what you find in the aisle where they stock the cheeze whiz at the grocery store.

Side: My COUNTRY gave me opportunity