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 If you support the Constitution, must you support everything IN the Constitution? (15)

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If you support the Constitution, must you support everything IN the Constitution?

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If you support the Constitution, must you support everything IN the Constitution?

Hello A:

Nahhh… I don't see a clause that requires you to support ALL of it, if you support SOME of it..

excon

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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If I take issue with one of the Amendments of the Constitution, it would not be unexpected for you to claim that I do not love the Constitution, hence the debate.

excon(12966) Disputed
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If I take issue with one of the Amendments of the Constitution, it would not be unexpected for you to claim that I do not love the Constitution,

Hello A:

It would not be unexpected of you to say the words in the Constitution don't mean what they say they do - HENCE my doubts about whether you love the Constitution, or the Constitution you make up.

excon

outlaw60(15500) Disputed Banned
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Okay DUMMY !!!!!! Time to have some fun with you !!!

What is your view on Amendment 21

Section 1

Section 2

Section 3

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does one have to be logically consistent? nah, cuz humans, that's why!

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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If you agree with the 13th Amendment, but disagree with the 16th Amendment, are you logically inconsistent?

Logical consistency requires that accepting the 21st Amendment means rejecting the 18th.

It doesn't matter if you support all of it or not. It's the law of the land and the basis for our rule of law.

I'm sure not everyone supports all of our murder laws, but I bet most people are glad we have those laws.

When we go down that slippery slope of the Constitution being a living document, our nation will be lost.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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Of course it matters. Laws aren’t set in stone. There were enough people who were against the 18th Amendment (prohibition), that we had the 21st Amendment to repeal it. I personally don’t like the 16th Amendment. If there was a Constitutional Convention to repeal it, I would support repeal. That’s not an unconstitutional outlook.

FromWithin(7636) Clarified
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I never said we should not have amendments if it was shown by the vast majority on both sides that we needed it to clarify issues not addressed in the Constitution.

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No. You can support anything from all of it to nothing except one part of it. I don't support the constitution because it is basically a list of false rights. If you need a government to tell you what your rights are then all you have is privileges. People have never actually had rights because society/the government always decides what "rights" you have. If there was such a thing as "rights" they would be inherent and no one would be able to take them from you. The US government has violated every single one of the constitutional amendments at one time or another and they will continue to do so whenever they see fit.

Amarel(4987) Clarified
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You can support anything from all of it to nothing except one part of it.

If you only support one part of the Constitution, can you really claim to support the Constitution?

I don't support the constitution because it is basically a list of false rights.

No it isn't.

People have never actually had rights because society/the government always decides what "rights" you have.

Even if this were true, it wouldn't mean people do not actually have them. If society decides that you can have a car, do you have a car any less?

If there was such a thing as "rights" they would be inherent and no one would be able to take them from you.

Having a title to your car doesn't mean it can't be stolen.

The US government has violated every single one of the constitutional amendments at one time or another

First, no they haven't. Second, there is more to the Constitution than it's Amendments.

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If you represent any kind of public position wherein you are sworn to uphold the constitution, be it as an elected official or a military member or anything else, then yes.

Do we actually have that? Fuck no. But it's a goal to keep moving toward.

If you're just an ordinary citizen in the private sector? You can believe in and support whatever the hell you want as long as it isn't directly treasonous, like supporting ISIS or some shit. That's what thousands of men and women died for, is your right to say whatever the fuck you want, including to disrespect them without being persecuted. Be grateful though, you shallow fucking twat, because many countries would throw you in a hole to shit in a bucket and never see daylight for the rest of your life for burning their flag. Or just cut your head off with a machete. Yeah, as much as it's necessary to continuously look at this country and say "we can do better"... just don't forget that there are places way, way shittier that barely need a reason to kill you.