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Capitalism yuck Crops should pick themselves
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If you work for someone & not by force, why is that a bad thing?

Capitalism yuck

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Crops should pick themselves

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But you are working through force. In the same way that traditional slaves were given a choice between work or starvation, people of today are given the same choice. The only real difference is that they are not confined to one particular master, and so various masters are able to compete for the services of the same slave.

Nobody would work for free, so work isn't something you can claim is voluntary.

Side: Crops should pick themselves
marcusmoon(578) Clarified
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Hootie,

No matter what, ALL heterotrophs have to work to survive. Cheetahs have to chase antelope, bison have to move from one patch of grass to another and actually chew the grass. The cheetah is not being forced by another to run down the antelope, nor is the bison being forced by another to chew grass. They are fulfilling personal needs which are basic to the fabric of life.

In the same way, humans have the option of fulfilling our needs (or not) and we have choices of how to do that. We could:

1-Choose to put out no effort. In this case we starve.

2-Choose to engage in some individual enterprise to fulfill our needs (try to catch our own food, start a business wherein we are the only worker.) In this case, we bear all the risk of failure, but if we succeed we get to keep all of what we catch or earn.

3-Choose to make a voluntary agreement with somebody else (individual or organization) whereby we trade time and services for money or something else we need. This may be a situation where we are paying someone else or we are being paid by someone else. In this case, all the risk is born by whomever owns the business and puts down the capital. The employee keeps less of what is earned by the business, but has little or no risk.

I think that the real distinction between numbers 2 and 3 is the risk. Those who work for someone else are choosing a survival option that is far less risky than most options our species has ever had.

There are those who would use governments and laws to force those who have more than others (because they take the risks or do the work to have more) to provide for those who either choose option 1 or fail at options 2 or 3. Such social welfare programs actually depend on force (in the form of laws whose enforcement ultimately rely on violence or the threat of violence) to keep the lazy or incompetent or unfit people from starving.

The word for a person who is forced (by threat or violence) to work (or take risks) to provide for people who do not work is SLAVE.

Side: Capitalism yuck
Hootie(946) Clarified
2 points

No matter what, ALL heterotrophs have to work to survive.

They work for themselves, idiot. They don't work to make some fat banker or slavemaster they have never heard of rich.

Your excessively long-winded posts are stark evidence of a narcissistic personality type, and they are always based on some form of absurd fallacy which you propose in the first few sentences. From there, you continue to write a lot of nonsense while seemingly under the impression that plagiarising synonyms from the online thesaurus is an acceptable substitution for a valid point.

If heterotrophs must work to survive, then those humans who get rich from the labour of others must therefore be heterotrophic parasites. Correct?

Side: Capitalism yuck
FletchLives(85) Disputed
1 point

But you are working through force. In the same way that traditional slaves were given a choice between work or starvation

So how exactly do you think the ancient tribes, settlers and pioneers got food.....

Why do you think they hunted and picked crops, which is work? Threat of starvation you uneducated dumbass.

Side: Capitalism yuck
Hootie(946) Disputed
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So how exactly do you think the ancient tribes, settlers and pioneers got food.....

So how exactly is picking berries for yourself the same thing as picking berries for someone else under threat of starvation?

Stop saying dumb things you clown.

Side: Crops should pick themselves