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Incest

The bible states that Adam and Eve had two children.. both boys. Cain and Abel. Cain killed Abel and then went on to build cities.
If Cain and Abel were Adman and Eve's only children, then where did Cain wife come from ?

The bible also states in several locations that incest is strictly forbidden.

Other accounts say that Adam and Eve had several other children and that Cain took a sister for a wife and they didn't mention that in the bible because they they thought that would be understood. I understand the necessity to continue the species, but if God was against incest, then why didn't he simply create a second Adam and Eve and let them have children and then the children could have married from the other children.

Why allow incest that once ?
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Doing your sister? Eewwww.

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2 points

Maybe Cain and Abel took monkeys as mates, i.e., bestiality. So it wasn't incest. See? It's not as bad as you paint it... wait....

jolie(9810) Clarified
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OK, maybe Cain and Abel did each other. Homosexuality. So it wasn't as bad as... DAMN!!! This is really a tough nut to crack!!!

jolie(9810) Clarified
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OK, OK, I've got it. They did their mother... Fuck! I hate you.

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Once again, the premise of this argument is flawed. The concept of incest didn't exist. Concepts such as racism, pedophilia, capitalism, socialism, u name it, all of these things we know today did not exist during Cain and Abel's time. So obviously, incest is wrong now and seems disgusting to us now in the 21st century. It's like accusing everyone in the past as guilty for eating with dirty hands and dying of diseases. Well they didn't know about sanitation and alcohol wet wipes and anti-bacterial soaps......that's what what life was in those days....you ate with your hands, and it wasn't wrong or evil. But it's easy for us to look back at them now and accuse them for being ignorant about washing their hands with anti-bacterial soap. DUH.

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Your argument is pointless, like most religion. I said in the above initial argument there are SEVERAL passages in the bible prohibiting incest. They didn't just add those.

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I believe only God can answer that question. Let us not forget that when Adam and Eve disobeyed God all mankind was destined for Hell but it could be that maybe God expected Adam and Eve to die out and that would have been the end of humanity. The idea of incest most certainly occurred frequently especially for those in power so that they can keep the wealth in the family. That practice of incest still exists today.

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Can't buy that only God can answer. That's the standard thing used by religion. The statement has nothing to do with Adam and Eve disobeying God... My statement stands. SEVERAL locations in the bible speak against incest. That's fine... God is against incest. By only creating one man and one woman in the beginning, the ONLY way to further the human race was by incest and God said, go forth and multiply. We cant say God was too stupid to understand that. So why did he do that ?

wisegrip(132) Clarified
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Whether you can buy it or not he is The Only One That Can Explain His Actions. If some guy rapes a woman Is She Suppose To Be Able To Explain The Reasoning behind the Rapist actions?

As I understand the bible Adam for sure was just an experiment God wanted to see if his creation would listen and obey him or go their own way. WELL we got the answer to that question and little seems to have changed since that day.

Of course it's just my opinion but I'm under the belief the Bible didn't record every second out of everyday so as shocking as it may seem mankind just may not have been given all the answers.

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Yeah, the whole "Where did Cain's wife come from?" is just one of the many many problems with the Creationist account from the fable of Genesis. Which should never be used for ANY sort of real science.

The bible does not do very well with morals either, it appears. Shit, not only does its science blow, so does its moral teachings! So what is it good for? LOL

Here are some lovely little tales of how the Bible CONDONES INCEST...

http://listverse.com/2008/05/26/top-6-incestuous-relationships-in-the-bible/

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Incest is disgusting. It should bee banned..................................................

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Where did Cain's wife come from? Wouldn't there have been incest in the beginning?

Sitar(3680) Disputed
1 point

Ask a pastor or teacher. :) ......................................................................................................

Atrag(5666) Disputed
1 point

Not everything people find disgusting should be banned. If you want to have sex with your dad or whoever else in your family then you should be able to choose to do that.

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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You do realize that incest can result in genetic mutations and a whole variety of birth defects, that's why it's frowned upon. There's 7 billion people in the world, why do you have to have sex with your blood relatives?

What kind of thought process did you go through in order to get this idea?

DBCooper(2194) Disputed
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Typical Democrat as you are no doubt you would support it. Lack of any morals is the height of your stupidity !

Sitar(3680) Disputed
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Incest should be banned because of the risk of genetic disorders in resulting children. You as a doctor should know this.

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On an alternate website one of the highly religious who believes the Bible is literally word for word facts from the mouth of God argued to me that the reason it was OK for that early interbreeding is the family was so very close to God's perfect design for us that genetically they could breed without resulting in birth defects.

Yeah right.

What you and I and most of the educated world believe instead is that the story of Adam and Eve is simply a parable, a way of explaining that which previously society couldn't explain, and if indeed there was a living Adam and Eve they were just a reference point early in the tribe which would become the Jews and not necessarily the only two living people on the planet at that time.

To believe otherwise, to believe instead that yes all people alive on earth came from just those two originators only a few thousands years in our past, would indeed be evidence of rampant incest for hundreds of those early years. Hey, the religious often chide evolutionists for believing they came from monkeys. Well I'd rather believe we evolved from monkeys a very long time ago than from rampant incest relatively recently.

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First off, once again, the Adam and Eve story is not to be taken literally. If you do, it sounds like a silly disney movie while being high on LSD.

God didn't just create 2 people. And even if he had, there was no concept of incest at all. That's like trying to bring the word racism or pedophilia to the very beginning days of creation. What we call incest today is not pretty because it's completely unnecessary. In the early time, there was no such distinction like the ones we have now. It was simply a matter of survival and propagation.

A lot of things the early humans had to do, we frown upon today because we no longer have to do those things anymore. But if you were to be in those actual times, you wouldn't even be aware of the concept of incest. Concepts like dating, fine dining and catching a movie, were not even concept existent to the minds.

Besides, if you read further along in the story of Adam and Eve and then Cain and Abel, you'll find that magically towns full of people just appeared. The Bible doesn't give documentation on exactly where did these towns full of people come from if Adam and Eve and Cain and Abel were the first 4 human beings? See? So don't take it literally. God created many people. But it was only necessary to discuss about Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel for the salvific narration. There is no requirement or need to add annals and annals of stories about how the other people came to be and lived their lives.

I say it time and time again....all the atheists, agnostics, scientists, anti-christians, etc. all have one common problem. They all read the bible like it's a literal record. They don't understand it's a book about a message, not actual scientific records and taxalogy of every single being, event, and moment in time. That's why you all come up with silly questions and crazy ideas.

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Well Joe they had had studies done on some of the stuff your talking about. Genetics has proven that the human race indeed started with two people... Look it up.

Now then, they use to believe that homo sapiens came after neanderthal man, and they didn't consider neanderthal man as human like the homo sapiens. Yet now they are saying it appears they existed at the same time and some homo sapiens took neanderthal women because there was a basic shortage of women.Therefore, that could be where the people came from to populate the cities.

You use religion like the preachers do. " Because I said so " isn't an answer.

cownbueno(407) Disputed
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The human race started at a common ancestor, most likely not even human, but a less developed species. No scientist has ever confirmed that ALL of humanity was the result of two HUMANS.

logicaljoe(529) Disputed
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You should know that these same people who make new claims today are the same people who made claims yesterday and realized they were wrong. You do not know that every single human being came from just two people. Nobody knows this for a fact. It's amazing how arrogant man is thinking they know how it all started. It's impossible to know how it all started no matter how much research you put into it, just like it's impossible for you know to what I ate in 1986 on the evening of 6:14pm at my dinner table. It's arrogant to think the bible as literal and it's arrogant to think that science can answer everything. It can't. Do the research and see how many times every 5 years they change their words about foods, diseases, health, even the economy....nobody knows it all so take it with a grain of salt. You're one of those people who think just because some article from some scientists published some findings that you can conclude that there were only 2 people in the beginning or that we came from monkeys.

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First off, once again, the Adam and Eve story is not to be taken literally. If you do, it sounds like a silly disney movie while being high on LSD.

Sure does!

There are many many stories in the Bible-especially in the Torah, that I believe would require most sane and rational people to be highly doped up on hallucinogens in order to take seriously.

Shit....Unicorns...talking serpents...sky gods killing children by the millions.....idiots giving up their virgin daughter to gang rape to prevent an angry mob from sodomizing angels....whew! I get acid flashbacks just thinking of that stupid shit.

LOL

SS

1 point

I have a 18 year old niece who just got a volleyball scholarship to UC Santa Barbara. Tall and blonde and tan and flat-bellied with an ass you could bounce a quarter off of.

I think about incest every time I see her, which, thankfully is only once in awhile! LOL. And I ask myself what the harm would be if, say, at a family reunion sometime, we snuck off in a spare bedroom for a quickie? (that is, if I wasn't engaged, which I am....so this idea will always remain a fantasy.)

If it is consensual and we of course use BC, where the fuck is the harm? I can't see it. But maybe thats because ol' One Eye can't see too good! LOL

SS

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The holy Father up in heaven never had sex with his son. This is proof that incest isn't Christian.

KNHav(1957) Disputed
1 point

Wow darkness got you good! You may already be in the pit. There may not be hope for you anymore.

You must have Legion taking you away. I'll assume there is still some hope for you, but you seem to be hardened shut, and sealed for destruction. Some may be sealed already. -See Revelations.

You may want to address the truth issue before your door is shut for good! That IS the judgement, the degree of your rejection is going to take you over, and you will be shut out in darkness unable to go to the truth. FYI this is actually happening. And you don't even know it.

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SlapShot(2608) Clarified
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Wow...really? You believe all that shit?

I think the Saint is rubbing off on you. Probably through some sort of computer-driven osmosis. LOL.

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