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 Interpretation/clarification required urgently. (17)

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Interpretation/clarification required urgently.

Please explain, if you would be so kind, what all the media hype and general hysteria about the passing into law of President Trumps policies .
As I understand it;- 
1)Donald Trump won the the Presidency by being voted into office by his fellow Party members and by the U.S, electorate  using the American electoral system.
2)Every piece if legislation which he has introduced was included in his campaign speeches and were included in the Republican Party's election campaign manifesto.
3)He and the Republican party fought the election openly and fairly and came out the victors.
4)Are the demonstrating anarchists not challenging the American form of democracy upon which the nation is founded? 
5) As I see it, every piece of legislation, some of which may be considered by some as being controversial, will benefit the United States and will help to significantly reduce the Mexican criminal problem, the Mexican illegal immigration crisis, the intake of Muslim terrorists and protecting American jobs.
His heavy message to the multi-national giants is clear, if you wish to sell your manufactured goods and produce in the States you will make them in the States, where's the problem in that?
6)He is going about dismantling the outrageous and non-affordable ''Obama Care'' as part of achieving his goal of reducing the nation's disgraceful national debt of 21 trillion dollars, the interest on which ( never mind the capital sum) is rapidly becoming unpayable.  
Maybe I have misinterpreted the entire election proceedings, if so I'd genuinely appreciate your guidance. 
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2 points

I hope you're sitting down. Because I agree with you on 1 through 4. We're living in a democracy. We all should honor the democratic process. Until he gets impeached or convicted of treason he is still the President elect.

Likewise, however, you need to acknowledge that protests and opposition, even if not for a good reason, are part of the US political process and you shouldn't be surprised by those either. Your side in fact did a lot of that through 8 years of Obama. Doesn't it stink when you win an election but the opposition stonewalls and cries fowl at every little move? Hmm? What's that like? Yes, in that regard you're a hypocrite.

But remember, if you're big enough to ever admit it, that I on this and many other debates, have come out on the side of honoring the democratic process.

(You won't, of course, because you are patently unfair and have blinders on).

Antrim(1287) Disputed
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Now now, you're trying to bait me into agreeing with you for the wrong reasons.

However, I do agree with you and you are correct about the right for citizens to make peaceful protests and I guess, when in opposition, the Republicans behaved similarly.

It's not a matter of being big enough, but a willingness to recognise the truth of a good and accurate counter argument.

My main concern and bewilderment is how and why the American media, and indeed some international publications are willfully, and frighteningly trying to demonize President Trump for doing exactly what he said he would do.

Whilst I disagree with, but can understand the antics of the various ethnic groups and the trendy Yuppie cult of jumping on the anti-Trump bandwagon, but surely we should expect more responsible, balanced and non-partisan reporting from our media.

Too many mischievous ''shock jocks'' trying to cast aspersions on a strong political character and pro American who was totally transparent about his intentions during his Presidential campaign.

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There is no reason for the hysteria. There is justification, but nothing about the hysteria makes any sense. Nothing about the election really made any sense either. The least experienced presidential candidate ever won.

daver(1771) Clarified
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What justification?

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"What Trump did was unconstitutional." "Religious bans are unamerican."

Antrim(1287) Disputed
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If you're too stupid to figure that out yourself there's no point in me, or anyone else trying to explain it to you.

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Are the demonstrating anarchists not challenging the American form of democracy upon which the nation is founded?

Demonstrations are very American, even if their cause is un-American.

As I see it, every piece of legislation… will benefit the United States and …protecting American jobs.

Government meddling in the economy is supposed to be a thing of the left. It doesn’t matter which side does it, government help is nearly always short run, while the long run outcome is detrimental.

if you wish to sell your manufactured goods and produce in the States you will make them in the States, where's the problem in that?

Imagine if I told you that in order to sell cookies out of your home, you must acquire all the ingredients inside your home. The real cost of producing cookies would be astronomical if even possible. But it would sure keep you busy right?

Requiring that people buy American, when the better product is German, or the less expensive product is Indonesian, only requires that we lower our standards and/or increase our costs. Protectionism is a not beneficial. Economic freedom is beneficial, but the Right doesn’t value that anymore.

Antrim(1287) Disputed
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In case you haven't noticed what a shortsighted dimwit on a galloping horse could see from a mile off I'll try to guide you.

The nation is in debt to the tune of at least 21 trillion dollars and the repayment on the interest, never mind the capital sum, is becoming nigh impossible to repay.

All the while many Asian countries, particularly China, are undermining the U.S. manufacturing base by dumping their shoddy goods and produce on the American market at ''below cost''.

Your juvenile and ridiculous reference to cookies is for the school playground and has no place in a serious debate nor reflects what is actually happening and continuing to happen.

Are you dummy Yanks so thick that you cannot see what the more ''street wise'' nations of the world, ranging from Germany to India, have been, and are continuing to take you for a ride?

You're financing the bulk of the N.A.T.O, budget whilst mega rich countries like Germany get away comparatively lightly and are free to spend their eye-watering positive trade surplus on improving their infrastructure and artificially propping up Europe's doomed single currency by ''LENDING''( roars of laughter from the back stalls) Greece and other basket case European economies such as Spain and italy 100s of billions of Euros.

Why would the Germans and French spend money on their own defense when the gullible Yanks will foot the bill?

The Chinese are wetting their trunks now they see that the American gravy train may be derailed by the hard nosed Donald Trump's proposed rearranging of all the existing trade arrangements.

It's time for you Americans to get behind your President and give him the support he needs to set your nation back on the road to recovery.

Amarel(5669) Disputed
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That's a lot of typing just to avoid the point.

World wide free riders on American defense spending is an entirely different subject than the effect of tariffs on an economy. The ability to hurl ineffective and ill conceived insults doesn't substitute a valid point. Now I know what to expect from you.

Economic barriers will help specific industries (financially and only in the short run). But that help will come at a cost to other industries and all consumers in general.

Since the cookie analogy seems to escaped you, just consider North Korea to understand the effects of Protectionism in the extreme. Thought Trumps tariffs aren't as extreme as North Korea's autarky, I would suggest that bad principles are bad even in mild application.

To pretend that Mexico is going to pay for the wall because of tariffs is as dishonest or dilusional as thinking that higher corporate costs are not passed on to the end user, who in the case of imports is the American people.