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 Ireland votes for gay marriage (27)

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Ireland votes for gay marriage

The other day the people of Ireland voted with 61% support to legalize gay marriage. That is in stark contrast to the USA where a little dictator,(federal judge) goes against the will of millions of people to satisfy his own personal agenda. 

 

It is unfortunate that the USA can't have a democracy like Ireland where people vote for what they want. We elect politicians to make our laws based on our beliefs and moral values only to have an unelected for life radical, who won't abide by the constitution, decide what he thinks is best for the people of a state. The common man in this country has little say in what type of country he would like to have.

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The other day the people of Ireland voted with 61% support to legalize gay marriage. That is in stark contrast to the USA where a little dictator,(federal judge) goes against the will of millions of people to satisfy his own personal agenda.

In a Constitutional Republic that includes a separation of powers where the judicial branch determines matters of Constitutionality, one is not a "dictator" for preventing the majority from violating the constitutional and civil rights of a minority.

It is unfortunate that the USA can't have a democracy like Ireland where people vote for what they want.

We can, so long as it is Constitutional.

We elect politicians to make our laws based on our beliefs and moral values only to have an unelected for life radical, who won't abide by the constitution, decide what he thinks is best for the people of a state.

So at first you are complaining about our Constitutional system, then you decry someone else who won't abide by the Constitution. That is very hypocritical of you.

The common man in this country has little say in what type of country he would like to have.

The common man can vote for his representation, which is how the founder's intended it.

zico20(345) Disputed
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That is your opinion pal. Millions of people do not believe a person's constitutional rights will be violated by not allowing same sex couples to marry. Where do you get off thinking your position is what is best for all 50 states. That is very arrogant of you.

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The opinions of millions have absolutely no impact on the Constitutionality of an issue. Whether people believe something or not, the Due Process and Equal Protections Clauses would be violated. I do not claim to know what is best for all 50 states, I just happen to believe in following the Constitution. How arrogant of me.

Atrag(5666) Disputed
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A constitution is in place to prevent the majority breaching the right of a minority merely due to distaste. This is the reason why people are against get marriage. There is nothing of substance in their arguments and thankfully the constitution allows logic to prevail and protects the unpopular.

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That is your opinion pal.

And the opposite would only be your opinion, friend.

Where do you get off thinking your position is what is best for all 50 states.

By listening to the arguments against it and seeing that they literally amount to zero. Some positive vs zero negative - some positive wins no matter which state you live in.

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It is unfortunate that the USA can't have a democracy like Ireland where people vote for what they want.

You accidentally added a couple letters to the word fortunate. It is a great thing when the minority gets the rights they deserve even if the majority wrongfully takes it away.

won't abide by the constitution

You screwed up again. The amendments are still considered part of the constitution, and violating the 14th amendment is unconstitutional, so gay marriage can't be banned.

zico20(345) Disputed
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The 14th amendment doesn't say anything about marriage. You liberals like to make the 14th amendment anything you please.

The 10th amendment specifically allows states to make their own rules when it is not a federal law or mentioned in the constitution. Federal judges should have no say in state matters when it does not contradict federal law or is clearly stated in the constitution. Just how much do you hate the 10th amendment? I am willing to bet you would like to see it get eliminated.

Pass a federal law allowing any two people to marry, including brother/sister. I have no problem if the people of a particular state pass a law allowing gay marriage. If that is what they want then good for them.

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The 14th amendment doesn't say anything about marriage. You liberals like to make the 14th amendment anything you please.

Read the clauses in question then try explaining how it is not relevant. Additionally, the 10th amendment does not invalidate the protections of the 14th amendment. How much do you hate the 14th amendment? I am willing to bet you would like to see it get eliminated.

Federal judges have a say on constitutional matters, and these cases are well within their jurisdiction That is our system of government. If you don't like it, try to get it changes, but don't run your mouth off on topics that you are not familiar with.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Marriage involves federal benefits, therefore federal judges can get involved. BOOM!

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The 14th amendment doesn't say anything about marriage.

"Virginia's statutory scheme to prevent marriages between persons solely on the basis of racial classifications held to violate the Equal Protection and Due Process Clauses of the Fourteenth Amendment."

Loving v Virginia (Unanimous decision of the Supreme Court - 1967)

Did they wrongly decide that case??

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Thank Yeshua for progress. Now if they could apologize for the Savitta incident and legalize a woman's right to choose, they would be one Hell of a country. Rome was not built in a day. I forgot to mention that a suicidal rape victim was forced to give birth.

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Actually the statement is not quite accurate. The Republic of Ireland voted for the legalization of gay marriage, but the vote did not include Northern Ireland where such a ceremony would not be recognised in law. Many countries such as Japan and Germany do not consider the marriage of same sex couples to have legal status.

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Oh my goodness why is this still an issue? Now Im neither an advocate for or antagonist against gay marriage, but ive always believed in free will of a person(if it doesnt affect others in a harmful way). It should be personal preference, like rly, do 2 people you probably dont know of same sex getting married affect you at all? If not why does it concern antagonists? Personally im not gay because im not interested and also my religous beleifs prohibit that, but its my choice to be straight. So why cant a gay person whos not religous or religion permits that life style be with another person whos gay? It shouldnt matter to other people and u shouldnt impede on others free will if there not harming you.

I honestly feel society should have moved on from this issue a long time ago to focus on other more important issues in America and then around the world.