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Well than they don't believe, if they are basing their ideology on evidence than they do not believe so agnostics are really just atheists with second thoughts.
That is what us Atheists are limited to thanks to the fact that some of us self describe as the "agnostic" or "apatheist" bullshit, also some of us believe there might be an answer to our existence one Atheist that thinks that is Seth Macfarlane.
Actually technically everybody is an agnostic to some degree. Atheists and theists are also agnostic at the same time. You might think you KNOW that there is a god or isn't one, but in the end you don't know because we can't know as of right now because there's no way to test for him.
Agnosticism isn't bullshit, it's being honest. I'm an atheist but I'm also an agnostic because I don't believe I god, but I can't know for sure that he isn't real for sure.
Yes we are all Agnostic, but Agnosticism is an ideology based on knowledge Christianity and Atheism are ideologies based on belief, So I have A question for you. Who is more likely to be right Christians or Atheists? One of them has to have the edge!
Well theres different kinds of agnostics. One kind just doesnt know if a God exists. The other thinks that knowledge of God is unknowable by anybody. The first kind basically encompasses everyone on the planet. The second not so much.
Im not just being biased but atheism has a clear edge. And that edge is, hmm.... a little thing called EVIDENCE.
Agnostic just means "We don't not know" so until we have proof we will remain neutral on the subject.
Here is an example, now this might sound strange but it is necessary to prove my point
Okay let the twisted questions begin:what's my favorite color and my lucky number?
Below I will give you clues
a) That I am male.
b) I am Hispanic
c) I am 35 years of age
d) I am 5 foot 7
e) I have blue eyes
f) I have dark hair
*now from that info, how do you know how and what my favorite color and lucky number are, or if I have a favorite color or lucky number at all, or maybe I am just pulling all your chains and I am just a automated computer program, how can you know for certain, unless you asked and I told, seen and met me first hand, you have no hard proof on any of the questions.
Look only fools pass belief as truth (fact) without proof, only true hard fact can tell if I am really what I claim to be, or if am real at all.
Why are people in such hurry to pick a side on a matter with no hard evidence, I say lets take time out to weight our options with hard proof not speculation before calling ourselves anything.
Agnostics are atheist scared of death! I could delve into greater philosophical depths with my argument, like are we 100% sure of anything but instead I have cut the crap my friends.
Although Agnosticism falls under the category atheism, it's still it's own title. As stated, agnostics choose not to stand directly on one side without enough information.
Theists don't just believe in God. They know God exists. Maybe not literally, but try telling them that God isn't real. Their religious texts are enough supporting evidence for them. Same goes for Athiests. Their Bible is science, so to speak. Agnostics believe that either side may be correct but knows that either God himself is going to have to pay us a visit or we're going to have to die before we get an answer.
Because that is not the theological question, that is the logical question which is completely different. Theologically Agnosticism and Apatheism are completely inaccurate.
You think the question that is being asked is what do you believe, correct? Not what do you know. Okay, I understand that, but Agnostic belief is that nothing is known when it comes to God. Why do you have to choose a side? Why can't you keep an open mind and accept that you don't know anything? It's almost like you are arguing that Agnosticism isn't a religion. It's not! Neither is Atheism.
Atheism is non-theism not being theistic. Agnosticism is not theistic as you are saying so. In a theological sense Agnostics should call themselves Atheists. Logically we are all Agnostic but we all have a non Agnostic theological stand point on theistic ideologies.
We believe that we just CAN'T KNOW. It's not bullshit, it's just that there isn't enough evidence to prove God exists, but that doesn't mean He doesn't.
If anything, we're way more open minded and logical than Religious People and Atheists.
Also, I don't think it's fair for you to call another's beliefs bullshit, when you don't know for sure the truth; none of us do. That's why I'm Agnostic.
Ohhh, okay. Well, I guess since I don't know, I can't answer that question. I don't really know if I believe. I haven't been given a reason too, but I'm not set in that state of mind, and I acknowledge the potential and likelihood for God to exist.
I'm in the middle.
It's sort of like this (in terms of belief in God):
No, it's not bullshit, because it is not mutually exclusive from atheism or theism. Many agnostics, like myself, seem to be atheists as well, whether or not they call themselves atheists.
Once again that is why we are all fucking Agnostic!! Some of don't recognize the idea as an explanation but they still don't fucking know if there is a god besides most Atheists do recognize the idea as an explanation!
Yes but the question is not, do you know if there is a god? It is, do you believe in god?
Exactly. Atheists and religionists think they know (at least they act like it), Agnostics are the only ones who don't think they know, even if they believe one way or another.
Although I do respect Penn Jillette, agnosticism is fundamentally indifference or apathy intertwined with uncertainty. Atheism is not uncertainty, it is certainty of disbelief.
Well by saying "Atheism is certainty of disbelief" that is you basically saying Atheism is a fact even though YOU are an Agnostic. Atheism has not been proven, how do you think Atheists are certain when NOBODY IS CERTAIN!!!!
Wow, this is unbelievable, atheism is the certainty of not believing in a deity, not they know for certainty that no deity exists. Theism hasn't been proven either.
No, anyone who calls Agonsticism should really not be surprised if what they believe in is called Bullshit too. Its called backlash, there is no need to tread on others ways of thinking - let them figure life out themselves in their own way.
No it just means "I don't know" nothing wrong with that, I am a scientist in my own right and I will tell you first hand, science can not prove nor disprove God, what I can say with 99.999% certainty is that the religious version of God is bull shit, but not the existence of a creator.
To be an agnostic is to be scientific until you are proved otherwise, I am agnostic on the subjects of dark matter, dark energy ect. even though all signs point to yes, but until we have 100% proof like we do gravity I will remain agnostic on those matters as well as a creator, (God, Allah or what ever one may call it)
The point I am making is that nobody knows everybody is agnostic but that is not interesting. Once you are agnostic you have not answered the theological question. You are not being asked to know if there is a God or not, we know you can't know that you're being asked do you believe in God? If you are Agnostic enough to not know what you believe is you are still an Atheist because according to the definition of believe it means "to feel sure of the truth" therefor belief must be an active thing, that you have to actively believe in something. So by definition if you don't know that there is a God than you don't believe that there is a God. Theologically Agnosticism is not accurate and neither is Apatheism because neither deal with with belief.
Theologically it is bullshit. According to my dictionary the definition of believe is "to feel sure of something" therefor belief has to be active and shifting. If you do not know if you believe in God or not that technically means you do not believe because you do not actively believe in God therefor you are an atheist. Proving Apatheism wrong is even easier, you don't care if there is a God or not therefor you still do not actively believe in God and you know the rest.
I think you are misinterpreting what is meant by Agnosticism. Agnosticism doesn't claim to believe or not to believe God. The only claim Agnosticism makes is that whether God exists or doesn't exists is unknowable and therefore irrelevant. Agnosticism is thus an epistemological position, it's not a metaphysical position. Agnosticism is completely withdrawed from the actual content of the theism debate.
Agnosticism is completely withdrawed from the actual content of the theism debate Well everybody has a position in the theism debate, if you don't know you don't believe simple is that belief is an active thing.
if you don't know you don't believe simple is that belief is an active thing. Sure everyone has an opinion, but that hasn't got anything to do with agnosticism.
The point I am making is that belief is active if somebody does not know what they believe than they do not believe. Agnosticism theologically is inaccurate everybody has to take a side and if you don't take a side than you are an atheist meaning non theistic.
There's a flaw in all of this: Agnostics don't 'believe' in anything. Atheists, however, believe that there is no god, and theists believe there is. So yeah, I do think you can take a position of not taking a position, if that makes any sense.
Agnosticism isn't really bullshit, it's just not taking a side on something that nobody has definitive answer to.
Atheist also means to believe in nothing a-theist mean non theistic. Most people think that Atheism means to believe that there is no God but it actually means non theistic this is because people that self describe as "Agnostic" or "Apatheist" only do so because the self description of Atheist goes to far as a result the serious discrimination against Atheists!
It is the most objective stance to have and is right that you can never know for sure however I'm pretty convinced there is no God so I am an Atheist instead of Agnostic.
