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Is Bernie Sanders the Trump of the Left?

With all the violence and death threats perpetrated by Bernie supporters in Nevada when they didn't get their way some people are concerned that Bernie is becoming the the Trump of the Left. Of course he did write some letter condemning violence and harassment in general but denied that any of his supporters have ever done anything violent. If you are curious here is a link to his statement:

https://berniesanders.com/press-release/statement-nevada/

One could interpret his letter as saying: "if you don't want to see more violence, the Democratic Party should make more concessions to the far left." 

So my question is: Do you think Bernie is using Trump's strategy of threatening violence in order to intimidate the Democratic Party into supporting him?

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No, he isn't, for a couple reasons. To start with, Trump explicitly states that riots will come if he doesn't get his way, Sanders doesn't. Trump gleefully says he wishes he could take part in the violence, Sanders doesn't.

Now it's true that Sanders should have spoken out more clearly over this, but I'm not surprised at his response. The majority of his delegates at the convention protested and spoke out against the small group who behaved this way as it happened, as well as after the fact, and this is the type of story Sanders has had repeated in lieu of substantial stories on the differences between their candidacies or his policy proposals.

Was it a bad call? Yes. Was it anywhere near enough to bring him to Trump's level? No, certainly not.

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nobodyknows(745) Disputed
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I am wondering if there has been any death threats coming from Hillary supporters.

I think if Bernie actually doesn't approve of the actions of his supporters he should not have started his statement saying that it was the Democratic Party that had a choice to make. In the context of his call for a political revolution how is that not the same as Trump saying that he would understand if his supporters were violent if he lost the nomination? The only difference is Bernie is threatening for policies whereas Trump is threatening for his own personal gain.

Bernie has specifically been catering to the most revolutionary part of the Left. He wants people who have nothing to lose. If he is at all familiar with history he would know that these people can be very dangerous. If he is truly nonviolent he should come out much more strongly against this behavior before it get out of hand.

I think his supporters have the potential to be every bit as dangerous as Trump supporters. It obviously is not even close now, but in another month or so when Bernie's only chance is to intimidate enough super-delegates onto his side who knows what could happen.

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
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I am wondering if there has been any death threats coming from Hillary supporters.

Absolutely 100% there are. They are sleazy people who hate Trump and Sanders. Hillary supporters are so dishonest they probably sent the death threats pretending to be Bernie supporters.

I think if Bernie actually doesn't approve of the actions of his supporters he should not have started his statement saying that it was the Democratic Party that had a choice to make.

When you disenfranchise a large portion of the people you are supposed to represent, you will make people angry. The establishment has the choice to represent the people or the status quo. That fails when the status quo doesn't include enough people.

In the context of his call for a political revolution how is that not the same as Trump saying that he would understand if his supporters were violent if he lost the nomination?

Trump actually tells people to commit violence.

The only difference is Bernie is threatening for policies whereas Trump is threatening for his own personal gain.

False. The other difference is when you don't stop reading what he said. The rest of his statement said not to commit violence. The exact opposite of what Trump says.

If he is truly nonviolent he should come out much more strongly against this behavior before it get out of hand.

Bullshit. Bernie has just as much control over those violent people as Hillary does. She should quit. She is a bad candidate that will only end in revolution.

I think his supporters have the potential to be every bit as dangerous as Trump supporters.

Hillary supporters are worse. They aren't even smart enough to articulate why they like Hillary. She could get them to gas jews if she wanted to.

It obviously is not even close now, but in another month or so when Bernie's only chance is to intimidate enough super-delegates onto his side who knows what could happen.

Yeah, it is much better to support the candidate who paid money for her superdelegates.

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Hey, you have been gone for almost a week. How many times did Hillary take a strap on and fuck you in that time?

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nobodyknows(745) Disputed
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Look at this. Another crude remark from a Bernie bro. Totally out of character.

By the way, you forgot to say something sexist.

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Except Cartman isn't a Sanders supporter. I am. So why not post that nonsensical dismissal to the actual Sanders supporter who commented on your debate?

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Cartman(18192) Disputed
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Are you fucking crazy? You think Bernie Bros are sexist? Do you even listen to the stuff Trump says? You Hill Dogs are so out of touch with reality it is insane.

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All this riot crap should be taken with a grain of salt....as far as the candidates are concerned. Trump IS somewhat to blame, but, I think there are others to blame here. The conservatives who want Trump out kill two birds with one stone by stirring up riots at Trump rallies, and blaming it on Saunders supporters.

Another thing. Bernie is appealing to the college age crowd. Nobody likes a riot more...like after winning a game...PARTY TIME!

Partiers gonna party! He should speak out against it strongly, but the basis isn't HIM like it is the Trump followers AND haters!

Bring Hillary into the mix?? Nothing makes the RW talk shows happier than blaming Hillary!

To ME, the whole thing stinks of Breitbart ... like the pimp and pussy show at A.C.O.R.N.! (And a few other "special interests")

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There is another bit of violence in Nevada that you are missing. At the Nevada Democrat convention the Sanders supporters got angry. Nothing to do with Trump.

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AlofRI(3294) Clarified
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I didn't say Trump was to blame for anything except what happens at HIS rallies. At the Saunders rally it "could" still be Breitbart "types" working to make him, (and all "liberals") look bad. (Or make the Republican problems look like the "norm"!)

The Republican Party .... supporters... have been SO underhanded from, actually, that "Contract with America" fiasco, I just don't trust them. Much of their actions are SO transparent! Many still eat them up because it's what they WANT to hear.

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I had two sides to choose from in this debate. I will admit to being confused

So I will start off by saying I am a Trump supporter.Bernie Sanders and any other socialist asshole who want me to give up my rights can SMD.

If I chose the wrong side, go fuck yourself.

If I chose the right side...

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nobodyknows(745) Clarified
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To be clear, you did in fact choose the fascist side. So you are exactly where you need to be.

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Ayemaker(237) Disputed
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That's a bit harsh man. I'm not a fascist. As I said at first. The choices were confusing to me. So I stated that I'm against socialism. Pretty simple stuff.

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Except Sanders isn't an actual Socialist.

Why are you so damn angry towards anyone with different opinions?

Why do you want to elect someone who thinks we need to increase our debt?

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