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Yes, All Reasonable Risk Concerns Are Honestly Shared No, the Risks are Minimized and Misrepresented to the Public
Debate Score:4
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 Yes, All Reasonable Risk Concerns Are Honestly Shared (1)
 
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Is CERN Open and Honest about LHC Risks?

Is CERN Open and Honest about Safety Risks?

Yes, All Reasonable Risk Concerns Are Honestly Shared

Side Score: 1
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No, the Risks are Minimized and Misrepresented to the Public

Side Score: 3
1 point

The scientists have openly said that micro black holes might result from their research at the large hadron collider. Given our current understanding, they'll either burn themselves out extremely quickly through electrical interactions, or they won't be able to interact very much at all with earth matter. Other possibilities they mention are considered extremely unlikely as well.

The problem is that we can't estimate the risks completly without knowing more about the way our universe operates. The only way of knowing more about the way it operates is by running experiments at the LHC. The main issues are that the scientists may be wrong with their models, but they can't know that without testing their models. They understand that and the fact that they have a page dedicated to the risks shows they are trying to be open about the risks.

Personally, I wouldn't mind dying by falling into a giant black hole as it enveloped the planet. It would probably be quite interesting for the few seconds you have. In any event, I'll be reading the link below, on how to maximize survival in a black hole.

Supporting Evidence: Maximizing survival time in a black hole (www.universetoday.com)
Side: Yes, All Reasonable Risk Concerns Are Honestly Shared
1 point

Unlike what CERN tells the public, the Large Hadron Collider Safety Assessment Group (LSAG) writes that current safety arguments are not valid proof of safety. Micro black holes might be created by the Large Hadron Collider, they might not evaporate, they might grow quickly and we have not been damaged by cosmic rays because cosmic rays pass harmlessly through Earth. CERN does tell the public that a new safety report has been completed, but so far the final report is kept secret from the world’s scientists.

CERN's Public Safety Web Site: http://public.web.cern.ch/Public/en/LHC/ Safety-en.html

Safety Concerns Public web site: http://www.LHCFacts.org

The problem is that this experiment might be unsafe, actually it might be really really unsafe.

A court case before US Federal Courts to compel reasonable proof of safety has its first hearing on June 16, 2008 in Hawaii.

Side: No, the Risks are Minimized and Misrepresented to the Public
1 point

CERN judging their own LHC is safe is like a drunk deciding he's all right to drive... with 6,700,000,000 passengers.

Who cares about a Higgs Boson particle or some quark gluon goop except a handful of frustrated geeks who have run out of ideas and have to experiment with forces they don't even understand. These freaking physicists waste money and energy time and time again building atom smasher after atom smasher and end up with more questions, not answers. Now they've built one so powerful they say themselves it will create mini black holes at the rate of one per second! Which would change your life more; knowing they found some particle or getting crushed and sucked into a black hole along with everyone and every thing you ever cared about?

That sound like a good risk vs. benefit to you?!? Just because you can't wrap your mind around it does not mean it can't happen.

See for yourself;

http://www.risk-evaluation-forum.org/anon1.htm

http://www.LHCDefense.org/

http://www.LHCFacts.org

http://www.SaneScience.org/

Popular Mechanics - "World's Biggest Science Project Aims to Unlock 'God Particle'" - http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/ extreme_machines/4216588.html"

Side: No, the Risks are Minimized and Misrepresented to the Public
1 point

If we knew al lthe risks we would not ahv to do this expensive espoeriement i nthe first place. They really don't know what wil lhappen,only guess that they will find what they hope to find and that nothing will go wrong. with something this big something will go wrong,a fire,an explsion reease subatomic particles or the whole world goes jsus like that.

Side: CERN is unconcenred I would be