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It should be the default. Unfortunately previous presidents have abused democracy by forcing unpopular laws through unelected judges. And twisted the law using their executive powers. America is lucky to have a President with at least some respect for the Consitution. Nobody is spying wiretapping political opponents, spying on dissident journalists, funding terrorist groups or replacing law with executive orders any more. Betsy De Vos has begun to dismantle the highly undemocratic campus culture of neo-marxist dictatorship.
You're Russian.. They didn't teach American civics over there..
I'm concerned about America going down in flames, not only because I like this country, but also because it's adversely affecting politics in my own country. Now Putinists love it when stupid things happen in the US, because it feeds their propaganda machine. Putinists call me enemy of the state.
I'm sorry.. I thought you said we have a president who respects the Constitution.. I'm just pointing out how wrong you are..
Look... I'm NOT defending past presidents.. I AM attacking the present one.. Whataboutism, is EXCUSING Trump because some Democrat did worse.. That's not debating.. That's cutting and pasting.
In other words it is a fallacy where a lying little Nazi such as yourself attempts to change and/or deflect the subject by appealing to a false equivalence.
There was one for a short time.. It was struck down because it's not Constitutional.. But, Trump WANTED it.. If he UNDERSTOOD the Constitution, he NEVER would have done that.. It's such an anathema to who we are..
There was one for a short time.. It was struck down because it's not Constitutional..
Let's examine your statement lib. 95% of the Muslim world had no ban.
There was a ban on a handful of countries that Obama had on his own list of "unvettable nations".
The Supreme court held up the ban. Looks like you're wrong once again. Are you tired of being proven a liar or ill informed? Are you ready to tap out lib?
He asked what that has to do with Trump because there was no Muslim ban. Whataboutism is where is where Trump supporters let Trump get away with the kinds of things their opponents were allowed to get away with in the past, knowing full well that their opponents will get away with the same in the future. It’s convenient for you to say you aren’t excusing people who were long ago excused. You won’t attack them when by are politically relevant but you are more than happy to attack your opponents when it is relevant. That’s hypocrisy.
That claim is logically incompatible with the support you are giving Trump. Trump has torn the country in half. The man is literally a white collar criminal.
I actually agree with you that this was a bad idea. But...tearing the country apart? I don't remember there being a lot of enthusiasm about Trump's decision to put boots on the ground in Syria, in the first place. And technically speaking, the United States is there illegally or at least semi-legally. Although I do ackgnowledge the huge contribution one the part of the US, to the cause of defeating ISIS/ Al Quaeda in Syria.
I actually agree with you that this was a bad idea. But...tearing the country apart?
Trump is very demonstrably a pathological liar, and hence the country is torn between those Americans who value characteristics such as honesty and integrity, and those who are corrupt, stupid or just plain ignorant of the facts.
Trump has never lied under oath nor has he been factually incorrect on any important issue. HRC has lied under oath and her lies amount to high treason. I don't see how Trump's quirky personality could be tearing the country apart. The neolib media has indeeed done a lot to facilate that cause, with their hysterical lies and propaganda.
Your theory that this pathological liar suddenly becomes a bastion of truth and integrity when sitting in a courtroom faced with charges related to his own long career of corruption, misogyny and racism, is as farcical as everything else you write.
Tell us more about how Putin is funding the left, you silly nonsensical cretin.
And of course you have precisely no evidence that this is true and are making wild, fictional claims with no basis in reality.
If my claims are indeed wild and fictinonal, it should be all the easier for you to disprove them. Give me one example of the contrary.
Your theory that this pathological liar suddenly becomes a bastion of truth and integrity when sitting in a courtroom faced with charges related to his own long career of corruption, misogyny and racism, is as farcical as everything else you write
He has never lied about serious political issues during his presidency. I never said he was a bastion of 'truth'. Well, America didn't have much of a choice during the last election. And many of his actual policies are benefitial for the country and address key issues which had been completely discarded by HRC and her cabal. I'm only defending Trump because his political enemies are complete retards who actually intend to bankrupt and destroy the country.
Tell us more about how Putin is funding the left, you silly nonsensical cretin.
Rep. Ted Lieu told CNN on Wednesday that his desire to regulate speech is only thwarted by the U.S. Constitution.
An interview on Google CEO Sundar Pichai’s testimony before lawmakers with House Judiciary Committee took a tyrannical turn when the California Democrat expressed his “love” for the idea of controlling free speech.
The moment happened after host Brianna Keilar asked if Mr. Lieu failed to “press” Google’s CEO on Tuesday regarding the company’s vulnerabilities to “outside interference.”
“It’s a very good point you make,” Mr. Lieu replied. “I would love if I could have more than five minutes to question witnesses. Unfortunately, I don’t get that opportunity. However, I would love to be able to regulate the content of speech. The First Amendment prevents me from doing so, and that’s simply a function of the First Amendment, but I think over the long run, it’s better the government does not regulate the content of speech.”
“Communists don’t even try to hide now. They have the youth fully indoctrinated”
I really have no idea why you would call Trump Putin's 'best firend'. They have an overlapping agenda in Syria...that's about it.
it's all over for us, isn't it?
The situation is indeed dangerous, but most of the danger is coming from the so-called 'left'. It seems the deep state would rather destroy America than accept Trump's victory. Those unconstitutional court rulings are a very dangerous precedent, which makes America more akin to Putin's mafia state. And that's the worst thing that can happen.
Show us one shred of evidence of Trump and Putin. Wait a second. You have none. We only have proof of the left selling them our weapons grade uranium that we don't have much of but need. Treason. You have heard of it lib?
WASHINGTON — One of the Russian companies indicted for what special counsel Robert Mueller alleged was a wide-ranging scheme to undermine the 2016 elections pleaded not guilty on Wednesday and said through its lawyer that it planned to contest the charges.
Mueller's office charged in February that 13 Russian nationals and three businesses sought to meddle in the election election by posing as Americans, launching social media campaigns to pick at Americans' political division and staging rallies. The operation, prosecutors said, was aimed at "spreading distrust toward the candidates and the political system," and in particular at "supporting the presidential campaign of then-candidate Donald J. Trump."
None of the charges had been expected to go anywhere because the companies and all of the individuals charged over the scheme are Russian. But on Wednesday, one of them, Concord Management and Consulting, LLC, dispatched a pair of lawyers to federal court in Washington to plead not guilty to the charges. One of the lawyers, Eric Dubelier, said Concord would "exercise our right to a speedy trial."
The two other companies and 13 individuals indicted along with Concord did not appear. Mueller's office has said in court filings that the Russian government has not cooperated with their efforts to serve summonses on them. "The government would be thrilled if they were here," one of Mueller's prosecutors, Jeannie Rhee, said on Wednesday.
Concord and the other businesses charged in the case are tied to Yevgeny Prigozhin, known as Russian president Vladimir Putin's "chef" because of catering contracts he holds with the Russian government. Prigozhin was among the 13 individuals indicted in the case. He and the businesses were placed on a sanctions list by the Treasury Department in March.
Mueller's office said in a court filing last week that Concord's lawyers had already demanded that prosecutors turn over "sensitive intelligence gathering, national security, and foreign affairs information," including details on electronic surveillance of the company and its employees.
Partly in light of those demands, prosecutors asked the court to put off Concord's arraignment. "U.S. District Court Judge Dabney Friedrich denied the request without explanation."
SUPER STUPID why did the MULE TEAM bail on this ????????? Come on BOY you got an answer ?????????
Now the LAP DOGS of the LEFT must stick with what is fed to them and that is Russians are in every corner of the US but they have not been found you CONFUSED IDIOT !!!
Jesus Christ you're such a retard. You're the Russian but I'm the one working for Putin???
To assume that every Russian is 'working for Putin' or even likes Putin, is clearly a sign of a distinguished retard. Or a radical left activist, which is basically the same.
Putin interfered with the US election to get Trump elected.
The only 'evidence' of that are undisclosed reports by a respected and distinguished intelligence agency. Whose CEO just happened to lie under to Congress under oath, about a very serious and unconstitutional misconduct (illegal wiretapping during presidential elections). So of course there is every reason to believe them, even more so that they are refusing to disclose the full text of their memorandum for 'security reasons'.
I'll just upvote that post so everybody can decide which one of us is acting like a retard and liar. My statement was obviously sarcastic, but you have deliberately ommited a part of it in your 'quote'.
I'll just upvote that post so everybody can decide which one of us is acting like a retard and liar.
So is there evidence or isn't there?
My statement was obviously sarcastic, but you have deliberately ommited a part of it in your 'quote'.
I didn't deliberately omit anything. I edit for clarity, not omission. You, on the other hand, omitted to mention a number of things in your assessment of the "evidence" of collusion.
For example:-
There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
Here's a quote from your initial statement in this thread: 'Putin interfered with the US election to get Trump elected'. There seems to be no evidence of that. But even if he had, there's definitely no evidence of collaboration between Trump and Putin on this issue.
I didn't deliberately omit anything. I edit for clarity, not omission.
If you really do believe that cueing a sarcastic statement in order to remove the sarcasm, brings 'clarity' to it - you are actually ceonfessing to being either a retard or a liar. So which is it?
There’s actually lots of evidence of Trump-Russia collusion
Your vox article is too boring to respond in detail. I'll just give one citation from the article itself: 'I would not necessarily call any of this “evidence” of collusion, but it’s certainly grounds for suspicion.'.
Here's a quote from your initial statement in this thread: 'Putin interfered with the US election to get Trump elected'.
No it isn't. My initial statement in this thread was this one:-
That claim is logically incompatible with the support you are giving Trump. Trump has torn the country in half. The man is literally a white collar criminal.
I don't recall even writing what you have accused me of writing, and you have not linked the post you claim to be quoting from. Omission and/or lies, as per usual. Moreover, you STILL haven't answered the question. For the third time, is there evidence or isn't there?
Your vox article is too boring to respond in detail
Translation: I lied that the only evidence of the Trump campaign colluding with Russia was a CIA report, but I'm not going to admit it because I'm a liar.
To assume that every Russian is 'working for Putin'
I didn't assume every Russian is working for Putin. I implied that Russians are more likely to be working for Putin than non-Russians.
Given the sheer magnitude of that lie, I am now semi-convinced that you are another Bronto puppet account, because everything you are writing is the precise opposite of reality and absolutely summarily absurd.
I implied that Russians are more likely to be working for Putin than non-Russians.
Such an implication would be completely irrelevant since I'm a vocal critic of Putin and his regime. So I'm not just any 'Russian'. And unlike you, my critizism of Putin stems from the analysis of his actual policy and his actual crimes against Russia. I don't just go around screaming 'fascist'.
Such an implication would be completely irrelevant since I'm a vocal critic of Putin and his regime.
Such an implication is highly relevant since I am a Marxist, Putin is a capitalist, and you are claiming we are in cahoots, when actually all the news stations claim Putin is in cahoots with my biggest political enemy, Donald Trump (i.e. the person you keep rabidly defending). The facts are hence twofold:-
A) You are a liar who is trying to obfuscate Putin's actual political motives (and by extension, your own).
Such an implication is highly relevant since I am a Marxist, Putin is a capitalist, and you are claiming we are in cahoots, when actually all the news stations claim Putin is in cahoots with my biggest political enemy, Donald Trump (i.e. the person you keep rabidly defending).
Wow what a pile of bullshit. I'll upvote this again so it's on dispaly and you can't edit your post. You do realise there's not even a trace of logic in your escapade?
The facts are hence twofold:-
A) You are a liar who is trying to obfuscate Putin's actual political motives (and by extension, your own).
B) You are Russian.
You just pulled your first 'fact' out of your ass. The actual fact is that I'm very clear about Putin's political motives. So much so that I face a risk of imprisonment in Russia every day.
The second fact is what I've been trying to get through to you all along.
Wow what a pile of bullshit. I'll upvote this again so it's on dispaly and you can't edit your post.
I have no intention of editing it because it is a completely accurate assessment of the facts.
You just pulled your first 'fact' out of your ass.
No I didn't. You claimed Putin was giving financial support to the left, which is contrary to his own political stance and the support Putin has openly shown Donald Trump. You are a demonstrable liar.
I have no intention of editing it because it is a completely accurate assessment of the facts.
Calling hysterical nonsense spewed by pseudo-leftist media 'facts' is a new low to which British politics seems to have stooped. Another example of this was the "Steel dossier', which Mr. Steel had procured out of his own ass, leaked it to yahoo and then went on to claim that the yahoo article was proof of his claims.
You claimed Putin was giving financial support to the left, which is contrary to his own political stance and the support Putin has openly shown Donald Trump.
1. Putin doesn't have a political stance. He is running his country as if it were a banana republic and he was an African gang lord.
2. It is in Putin's interests to sew discord in America and facilitate the very kind of insanity that's going on there at this moment. The fringe groups of the radical left are palying a huge part in it. These people aren't actually even leftists and they don't give a fuck about the poor. They are hired poitical hacks.
3. Putin may have verbally supported the least insane of the two candidates to gain some poliltical points. This in no way implies that he has any overlapping agenda with Trump. The one exception is Syria, but you are too myopic and feebleminded to comprehend the complexity of that issue.
Calling hysterical nonsense spewed by pseudo-leftist media 'facts' is a new low
Purposefully misrepresenting and/or deflecting the facts on the basis of your own paranoid far right conspiracy theories does not stop them being facts.
Another example of this was the "Steel dossier', which Mr. Steel had procured out of his own ass, leaked it to yahoo
Another example of what? Your far right conspiracy theories? You are attacking the entire media establishment just like Hitler attacked it, yet you whine every time someone points out that you are a Nazi. Why?
Putin doesn't have a political stance.
He's a POLITICIAN, for Christ's sake. Having a political stance is his full-time job.
Such an implication is highly relevant since I am a Marxist, Putin is a capitalist, and you are claiming we are in cahoots, when actually all the news stations claim Putin is in cahoots with my biggest political enemy, Donald Trump (i.e. the person you keep rabidly defending). The facts are hence twofold:-
A) You are a liar who is trying to obfuscate Putin's actual political motives (and by extension, your own).
You are such a FUCKIN DUMB ASS that you are not aware you live in a Constitutional Republic not a DEMOCRACY !!!!!!!! And the CONSTITUTIONAL IDIOT wants to speak about what it knows nothing about !!!!!!!!!!!!
Sadly, you are correct. Thing is …. we don't HAVE to go to what has/is becoming, the default. The world MAY still come to its senses. At least the Trump half of the Putin/Trump world seems to be unravelling. The truth isn't entirely lost yet! Faux News got "truthed" yesterday! (Maybe I should say "Judged"?) YAY! ONE for U.S.! ;-)
Sadly, you are correct. Thing is …. we don't HAVE to go to what has/is becoming, the default. The world MAY still come to its senses. At least the Trump half of the Putin/Trump world seems to be unravelling. The truth isn't entirely lost yet! Faux News got "truthed" yesterday! (Maybe I should say "Judged"?) YAY! ONE for U.S.! ;-)
The AL babbles and still complains that not voting for Demorats is a problem !!!!!!
CRAZY AL has the Mueller Team identified all the American Russian voters that voted voted against Hillary ? Mueller should have all that information right ??????????
