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evolution and paleantology are full of fraud with no-names desperate to make a name for themselves, the list of transitional fossils is full of proven frauds such as
"the feather imprints of the London Archaeopteryx fossil specimen were forged. Evidence for this is that
the feather impressions appear only on the slab, not on the counterslab.
the surface texture is different between the feathered and unfeathered areas;
slightly elevated "blobs" appear which are not always matched by depressions on the counterslab;
the feathers show "double strike" impressions.
Hairline cracks which pass through both bones and feathers could have formed by slight movements to the slab after the cement was in place.
Under magnification, the limestone appears different in fossil and non-fossil areas of the specimen.
Unknown material appears within the matrix in the fossil area.
An x-ray chemical analysis showed chemical differences, including silicon, sulfur, and chlorine in the fossil area that were not present in the non-fossil area.
These points indicate that the feather impressions were made by someone impressing feathers in a cement-like matrix that was added to the stone. Without the feathers, Archaeopteryx would be identified as the dinosaur Compsognathus, not as a transitional fossil."
In spite of frauds, they still are listed as true transitional species. Your religion is like a cult pushing lies strongly to keep it's followers buying whatever they sell
Thousands of documented Transitional Fossils including hundreds you can see for yourself in museums all over the world. And like a good little Christian you cull one spurious case and use it to condemn an entire decades long opus if scientific work and Discovery.
Shame on you.
It's a pity you guys don't apply such discrimination to your Bible. When we point out fast examples of contradiction and stolen fables from earlier superstitions...er, religions, you blithely dismiss it.
Why is that?
Oh yeah, that's right...you guys are blinded by delusion and indoctrination.
That one case of fraud which is still commonly held up by leaders in evolutionary propaganda should be enough for an honest person to disown association with anybody who uses a fraud to support their program. Paleontology is as corrupt as politics with people working on grant funding trying to make a name for themselves so they get more grants or more recognition to add value to their name......and it has to be comparable to bribery in politics the way the fraudulent "discoveries" continue to be upheld as real in museums and textbooks and taught to unaware children....and you want to tell me there is no conspiracy in it? It's just a circus show for suckers, with a lot of money floating around, and no real scientific value, no use in applied sciences.
And along with that is the continuing upholding of propaganda like "the backwards optical nerve" which real scientists have discovered is not backwards at all but rather is the way it has to be for our vision, and somehow Dawkins gets paid big money in a university to sell it to students. The same with "vestigial organs" and all kinds of pseudo-science in evolution which is discounted by real science. And there is no conspiracy with an agenda to push this garbage without shame, refusing to acknowledge how scientific advancement has left old assertions of evolution in the dust yet they are still upheld like the flat earth society holds onto flat earth? And there is no conspiracy to push evolution down the throats of kids from pre school up?
"I unhesitatingly assert that this is not a footprint. I have observed and collected a number of types of footprints that meet all the critical requirements, and I have had no qualms about describing these in print even though some were totally new. The Meister specimen is the result of a natural break, which happens to resemble a footprint. This type of fracture is called spalling and the part which breaks out or is detached is called a spall.
The specimen was in no sense faked, and I am sure it was found exactly as reported. But I, along with my geologist friends, are equally sincere in my belief that it is an accidental natural product and not a footprint.
One might think a difference of opinion such as this could be solved by appeal to impartial judges or by a more thorough investigation of the field of evidence. But from the time of discovery, the specimen has taken on a religious significance that makes a friendly solution almost impossible."
Bachelors and Masters from BYU, Ph.D in geology from Princeton University in 1941 and Professor at the University of Utah for more than 32 years (headed of Department of Geology for 13 years). Additionally, a Mormon who tried to convince other Mormons that evolution was compatible with scripture.
Hilarious. You didn't address my argument at all and you are going to say I don't know what I am talking about. It is you who doesn't know what I am talking about.
I seriously hope you are trolling and don't really believe that all those museums if natural history are frauds. Like there is some sort of big bad worldwide conspiracy out there.
This thinking would officially make you a member of the tinfoil hat club!
I always knew you were deluded, and very mistaken on aspects of evolution, but to go so far as to call all of our museums of natural history and the Smithsonian institute a fraud is....well.....on the level of psychosis. I am sorry to inform you.
Meanwhile, you believe in a book that tells you unicorns exist and read carpenters come back to life and a sky god stops the sun in the sky and parts rivers? And kills children for revenge?
Evolutionary teaching is an organized brainwashing. There is an agenda behind it. Why in the world did they think I needed it pumped down my throat when I was five years old? Why did they want me to believe it? I was always suspicious of whoever was behind it, and still am. Why do they want me to believe in something that makes life meaningless, purposeless, with no objective morals and no objective undeniable value? You have bought into it, sold your soul to the devil I guess. You can have this messed up world, I'm going to heaven. The promises of evolution are lies.
I don't believe in evolution. I understand the science and how it is used to illustrate belief in evolution. You don't have to believe in evolution to appreciate or pursue scientific discovery. You only have to believe in evolution if you reject objective morality...evolution gives you an excuse in your mind to make up your own standard of morals for situational ethics.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
Hilarious. You didn't address my argument at all and you are going to say I don't know what I am talking about. It is you who doesn't know what I am talking about.
That's a funny complaint coming from you. You never respond to my arguments. Instead you seem to obsess over the fact that I'm not a Christian, and bleat on about hell. Something tells me that you live a very sheltered life where you don't come into contact with non-Christians very often. You want me to respond to your argument, fine, I'll responded but then I'm going to need you to start responding to mine. Otherwise you surrender all right to complain. Sound good?
It is you who doesn't know what I am talking about.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
You want me to respond to your argument, fine, I'll responded but then I'm going to need you to start responding to mine. Otherwise you surrender all right to complain. Sound good?
No I do not want you to respond. I'm trying to ignore you for the reasons I stated. All you do is act like a jerk insulting me, I gave up on you. I tried to tell you how you can be saved from Hell because I don't want you to go there, but you are determined to get proof of the reality of Hell the hard way so enjoy yourself and take a hike.
Technically you believe in a fairy tale that a princess kisses a frog and the frog turns into man.
You try to make it science by just replacing the kiss with time!
We Creationists believe God created the world. God existed in the beginning.
You believe that the big bang created the world. Dirt existed from the beginning.
Did it ever occur to you that you as a human being can know that God does not exist? Lets say you know half of everything. If God exists, He could exists outside of what you know!
Randomness did not create, you need information to make DNA.
Evolution takes more faith in nothing and Randomness then faith needed for belief in God. At least you can prove God with common sense and reasoning. Evolution is ridiculous!
If evolution were true we would have life forms sprouting out of nothing all day.
What is it like hair dye, it stopped after it evolved so far because nothing is intelligent?
And aside from changing properties for adaptation there is only things growing with an intelligent designer. Scientists putting together to make. That's still not random nothing!
Look at the Giraffe. How did evolution work backward from a dead body? Their long neck getting water needs a valve that would necessitate it's survival. A valve it would be dead before knowing it needed. There are many animals that evolution could not be possible. Because of the process, unless you can evolve from dead and from nothing!
If you give me the name of a city near you, I can tell you the closest museum near you that has transitional fossils on display. Pretty much every museum of which has a fossil hall has transitional fossils, and even a lot which don't will occasionally have an exhibit with transitional fossils on display, or a facsimile of a rarer fossil.
But this is so easy, I don't even have to do it for you. Google "transitional fossil museum" and your town or local CBD, and I guarantee that you'll find a fossil that you can look at with your own eyes.
The theory of evolution is at best an idea about history and prehistory, not observable science. If evolution is occurring now, it's moving too slowly to be studied and verified. If it happened in history we cannot go back in time to observe it, so how can we prove it's scientific authenticity for sure? We can't, so right now it remains an unprovable, unscientific theory.
So you're a member of the Thought Police, you have a strange aversion to words like "fuck", your an internet tough guy, and you are obsessed with controlling those around you.
Yeah, I might be the devil here to trick you into going to hell. Don't worry bud, intolerance is a sin too. looks like you'll be joining me in the fire.
Theory; Hypothesis, those are intellectual thought processes. Unproven fiction is entertainment. Funny, what some people take seriously. Oh, well, to each his own.
You CANNOT justify yourself for living, that is why you are DYING. You are CORRUPT, stuck in CORRUPTION, and CONDEMNED to HELL if you do not obtain God's PARDON.
it is quite difficult to say if evolution is science or a religion . Starting off with , evolution is a theory which states that we evolved from tiny creatures . While scientists claim that we evolved from tiny cells ( microorganisms). Different religions have different teachings. Let's take the case of Christianity. Christianity says that there were two people Adam and Eve on earth, and by them we came . While Islam doesn't believe in evolution as well . No abramanic religions believe . While Sikhism doesn't have a point to make in any of the two matters . But Sikhs believe in recarnation which doesn make since and can relatively go with evolution as well . Every religion believes in their own respective teachings
The answer is both yes or no depending on what you mean by evolution if you mean sub-species variation like Darwin's experiments of course it is science it is what we observe it is fact now the theory of evolution itself making claims such as the origin of life and the species-species or genus-genus evolution cannot be observed and lies under historical science to be debated. Now theories can be scientific however evolution does not provide bedrock penetrating arguments for its factual claim. If you want to find the truth for yourself go search and be open minded you will find it. I first came in an Evolutionist and came out a Creationist. Good luck!
But even in Evolution's own claims, there is blanks that are positioned for expanding knowledge. Why? Because there is much FAITH also NEEDED in Evolution.
It still takes believing in a hypothesis, but you become dumb though when the hypothesis keeps from learning because what can be learned and needs to be learned doesn't fit the model that's trying to be proved.
But Adaptation is not the same as Evolving to a different species
Man wasn't an ape, even if our structures are "similar."
Man was likely hunched over with wider jaws that changed with adaptation
But still not EVER an ape.
The earth is probably millions of years old, and there was likely a cataclysmic event in space that placed the earth where it is today. That event was an act of a Creator
Days 1, 2, 3, and 4 where Not likely 24 hours
Time was created ON DAY 4
DAY 5 was the 1st recorded 24 hour DAY in Genesis.
In Genesis 2 through Genesis 4 the details of the creation story are expanded, to give a detailed account of the days.
One of the evidences for billions of years is distant starlight. Trying to have growing plants, etc without a sun or time doesn't get around this problem since the stars were created on the same day as the sun and moon.
How do you know the age in comparison? Couldn't the earth be older than thought to be or visa versa? Is all data you have conclusive fact? If so, show me.
"we are at 2235 years from Adam at 0. We then add 400 years, since Bible clearly states that Israel was in Egypt. Final estimate of Exodus is 2635 from Adam at age 0."
"I'm inclined to think they made forms like the neanderthal, and mixed in with people made in God's image. Since 6000 years ago is when signs of intelligent life and societies can be found. So cave men to image of God."
"Which also makes sense since after an exact time frame of 6000 years, the earth seems to be vomiting man and creature, and the account of 6 days being a typology of term as well as an account of creation"
"Genesis says the Nephilim were before and after the flood. What if before it was so heavily saturated by corrupted seed we wouldn't have lasted for the 6000 years?"
No, the theory of evolution has always been a mystery to me. I dont understand how we humans couldve cime from fish or what many say even an amoeba. So no evolution isnt science because it makes no sense.
Evolution has nothing whatsoever to do with the big bang. It only describes the process by which life diversified, not the process by which it emerged. Also, religions require a deity or supernatural doctrine. Evolution has neither of those things. It literally cant be a religion because its missing all the necessary components of a religion
Evolution is the or a key component of the religion of Naturalism, in which you believe nature justifies your life so you are exempt from Hell. To say it has nothing to do with belief in the big bang or abiogenesis is dishonest, they all kiss each other in today's perverted sciences which basically are designed to allow for sexual perversion with no objective basis of morality.
The deity of evolution is material, nature, and your own mind which in evolutionary religion is believed to be nothing but chemical fizzes causing a hologram of you which is self-justified making you exempt from Hell, so you (even though it's not really you in your belief but rather is a manifestation of chemical fizzes) are equal to nature and are your personal contact point of your deity which is nature, hence the religion of Naturalism. And what a stupid deity you serve, one which gives life no real value or meaning, no real purpose, and holds you chained to death. Pitiful religion you have there.
Naturalism is the natural conclusion from all of science. We have yet to discover anything supernatural. Why would we assume that any supernatural thing exists? Everything we have ever measured or investigated is natural. Also naturalism isnt a religion. Its a conclusion derived from observing the evidence we have available to us.
It doesnt have nothing to do with the big bang and abiogenesis. Obviously you can show where those things link up. But you were saying abiogenesis IS evolution.Which it is not. And what the hell do they have to do with sexual perversion? Also, of course there is no objective basis for morality. Why would we acknowledge that when it doesnt exist? You actually have to prove an objective morality exists.
material, nature, and our own minds are not supernatural. A deity is supernatural. Evolution is not a religion as it has no supernatural component.
nature and are your personal contact point of your deity which is nature, hence the religion of Naturalism. And what a stupid deity you serve, one which gives life no real value or meaning, no real purpose, and holds you chained to death. Pitiful religion you have there.
Its a stupid deity because it isnt a deity. There is no deity in evolution. There is no doctrine in evolution. Evolution is not a religion. Not even close. But at least its true unlike your phony god you cant even prove exists.
I understand evolution better than you do.
The only thing youve demonstrated is how poorly you understand evolution.
So you believe that your consciousness is a manifestation of non-living matter, and that is supernatural because nature by itself has no consciousness. To say you have not discovered anything supernatural is a silly attempt to deny your own existence. Try looking in a mirror while you pour hot coffee on your head and maybe you will see that you are real and not just matter fizzing causing an apparition which really is not you.
Your logic is nonsense........no logic at all, only hoping you escape justice in death and that's silly.
Why would you conclude that a living being thinks that his consciousness isn't part of himself? He didn't say anything like that. Also, how you can you conclude that nature doesn't have any consciousness when humans are a part of nature?
You aren't supernatural. Looking into a mirror shows the natural world.
Your argument is purely fallacious. Don't pretend like you used logic.
This is so dumb. You believe non-living matter caused life, so non-living matter would have supernatural powers and then you claim you believe in nothing supernatural. You believe consciousness rose out of mindless matter again making matter to be supernatural, and you still say you do not believe in anything supernatural.
Atheists are either completely fooling themselves or they are purposely deviant. I think it's both...the Bible really has little to say about atheist...just says they are fools and corrupt and have done abominable things.
Is there anything else you don't believe in that you know better than the people who believe in it? Do you use actual facts when discussing those topics?
A fact of evolution is that you, in reality are nothing more than a monkey and have no real purpose for existing. Evolution wants you dead, and you are loving it. Give evolution a hug, fool.
I'm sure this will provoke a slew of stupid statements as you fume in your desire to justify yourself outside of Hell.
A fact of the Bible is that you, in reality are nothing more than an insignificant toy to God. God wants you dead, and you are loving it. Give God a hug before He sends you to Hell, fool.
You are foolish to think that a strawman argument that comes nowhere close to anything that evolution says would cause anyone to fume.
Nope, sorry Fartman, I know God loves me and I know He loves you, but you want to believe God does not love you, and I have to wonder if anybody loves you.
Actually, yes. Since we are going by the notion that anyone is allowed to describe the belief system of someone else, I am as accurate about your beliefs as you are about mine.
I know God loves me
Your version of God loves you because you think you are God.
but you want to believe God does not love you
False. I want God to exist and to love us all. I have looked and looked for evidence of this. It isn't there.
Why is atheism authoritative in academic denial of God, when multidisciplinary studyies show atheism underdeveloped, bias, and academically unreliable?
The fuck are you talking about? There is no "Academic denial of god". That isnt a thing. Science doesnt even concern itself with the question of god. Science can only investigate things that are falsifiable and god is not falsifiable.
And id love to see what these "multidisciplinary studies" are because it sounds like a crock of shit. How the fuck is atheism "underdeveloped"? what does that even mean? Bias? No shit everyone has bias. Its literally unavoidable so thats meaningless. And academically unreliable? Yes because we all know how totally reliable religion has been in advancing academics, technology, and science. Just look up a bible verse and boom theres schematics for a computer.
Actual studies have shown on average atheists have higher IQs, score higher on scientific literacy tests, and even score higher on religious knowledge tests.
82 scientist got together with mathmatical equations and developed a list of minimal required expectations, and scientific properties that would have to exist or have occurred in order to have any reasonable expectations of the existence of alien life.
We exist by 100% guarantee. Our universe allows for stars which allow for planets and planets in the hospitable zone. With billions of glaxies each with billions of suns each with billions of planets its nearly guaranteed that at least one would be earth and host carbon based life. Try again.
I looked at one of your links. So they define self esteem by education. The most educated person in the world doesn't equal self esteem. Everything is self defining, so if you have to be the most educated, the most powerful, the biggest man on campus, or in life ... is that self esteem?
Or is self esteem someone who is sure enough of their own value and worth the can have others shine without crumbling?
And stand on things they know to be true against the tide?
"Another mutation of E. coli facilitated amino acid catabolism under starvation conditions, enabling the mutant to outcompete the parental wild-type. This increased catabolism resulted from a genomic rearrangement (Figure 3). The first step of this rearrangement was insertion of an indigenous IS5 element between the promoter and a CRP-binding site (catabolite regulatory protein) of the starvation inducible cstA gene."
and:
"Hence, certain environmental conditions seem to favor bacteria with specific genes duplicated. This may have provided the organism a temporary increase in gene expression of those duplicated genes, which apparently helped the organism cope with the higher temperature."
The genome of a creature is programmed to respond to environmental changes within limits. That is not mutation, it is adaptation. The fact that a lot of people have developed dark skin does not mean they have evolved differently from idiots like you. The variations that express themselves are not additional DNA in the genome.
Your making a huge leap of cartoon animated beliefs without evidence to imply that such changes result in little swimmy critters morphing into people gradually or suddenly at any point in time or over huge spans of times during millions of years.
This whole argument a few of you buffoons are making trying to equate adaptation with evolution is just a smokescreen attempting to hide the fact that you believe in evolution while never being able to see it happen and nobody has ever seen it happen....because it does not happen, adaptation is not evolution.........and why should you care anyways, you think you are as good as God so you cannot be in Hell as a sinner.......like you said, you don't care, so why do you want to argue about it? I think you are a liar, full of doubletalk, fooling yourself into believing you are exempt from Hell.
Those mutations are not evolution, they are adaptations which the genome is programmed for. Why don't you read that entire article? The article fully supports what I am saying and contradicts from beginning to end belief in evolution. Evolution is a belief, it is not science.
Those mutations are not evolution, they are adaptations which the genome is programmed for.
Maybe you should provide your definition for evolution...
Mine:
Evolution = mutations + heredity (mutations can be passed on to the next generation) + selection (some mutations fair better than others in a given environment)
You cannot show one kind of animal mutating into another kind of animal. It does not happen. If you want to believe it happens, you can believe it. That's not science.
Your brainwashed into equating beliefs in evolution with science. You cannot see evolution, it's not science, it's a belief system in which you claim your hypothesis is fact without being able to see it happening.
Is a dog the same kind of animal as a cat? You cannot show a dog morphing into a cat or a primate morphing into a man except in cartoon animations and that's comedy, not science.
to show animals morphing into different kinds of animals, you have to use cartoon animations. Piles of bones are piles of bones.
Wolves being bred for domesticated dogs are still dogs. Wolves and dogs are dogs. I don't know about foxes.
Wolves can be bred to produce dogs, zebras and horses can interbreed..........
Then you go off into piles of bones. When you can take a pile of bones and morph it from a reptile into a bird or whatever, it's going to be only in cartoons and it's funny.
Wolves, horses, and foxes are observable animals. They do not change into monkeys.
The piles of bones you talk about are piles of bones which cannot be observed from generation to generation. Saying one pile of bones morphed into the animal which left the bones of a different kind of animal such as an amphibian into a mammal or a reptile into a bird is a belief and is not science.
You can take a wolf and count the generations to produce a dog, and the various breeds of dogs. That is observable science, it is not new DNA being added to the genome of the wolf, it is not evolution.
You are mixing things up, implying your piles of bones morphed into different kinds of animals when you never saw even one generation of their offspring. That is not the same as wolves being selectively bred to bring out preferred traits which were part of the genome before the selective breeding was done. New DNA was not added to the wolf to produce dogs.
wolves and dogs are the same kind of animal. You know that.
I don't care to look at your skeletons to see if they are the same kinds of animals, but the way you are presenting them they probably are not and there is no evidence that one mutated into the other except for you saying they did....and you say they did because somebody told you they did, and they show it in cartoon animations and nowhere else. That's not science, it's the funny pages, the Sunday Comics.
Wolves being bred into dogs is not evolution. It's selective breeding. It can be shown, observed, repeated. You can study it in true science.
Amoeba morphing into people is something you can believe happened but it cannot be shown, it cannot be observed, it cannot be repeated. Evolution is pseudo-science, it's made for suckers
If you can evolve changes from wolves to dogs, explain why larger changes can't happen? It is more than enough to base a hypothesis on. Much more evidence than there is for the Bible. (this is of course putting to one side the fact that we have found millions of bones showing different stages of evolution separated by time).
Larger changes do not happen. What do you mean explain why they cannot happen? They don't happen. You can observe scientifically that dogs never morph into cats, monkeys, or people. If you believe you are descended from an ape like monkeyish pimate orangutan chimp mix hybridized with Neanderthals to produce your grandma, you're s sucker.
Larger changes do not happen. What do you mean explain why they cannot happen? They don't happen.
There is no reason that the process that changed a wolf into a chihuahua couldnt also change a homo erectus into a homosapien. Or a habilus into a homoerectus. There are just as similar.
You can observe scientifically that dogs never morph into cats, monkeys, or people
That has got to be the winner. Its official. That is the stupidest thing you have ever said.
Its a series of bones from multiple regions across the globe that show the stages of change between a wolf and a dog. It isnt in cartoons nor a book (like the Bible!!!?!?!?!?!).
You don't need a series of bones from all over the world to show wolves being selectively bred to produce domesticated dogs. It's history. It's factual history, and wolves and dogs are the same animal. You can observe and study the breeding of dogs scientifically, you can show it, you can repeat it. You can capture wolves yourself and selectively breed them into dogs....your children might have to carry on the work as the wolves might not change fast enough for you to see how doggy they are in your lifetime, but it's observable and true science.
You cannot do that with any kind of primate to selectively breed it to get people. It does not happen, never happened, never will happen. You can observe scientifically that it does not happen. If you believe it does, you don't care about science.
's factual history, and wolves and dogs are the same animal. You can observe and study the breeding of dogs scientifically, you can show it, you can repeat it
How can you repeat it? I have never seen a wolf change into a dog. Where is your proof? I went to the zoo the other day and saw a wolf. Guess what? It wasnt turning into a dog. How do you explain that eh? Selective breeding nonsense believer!!
ou can capture wolves yourself and selectively breed them into dogs....your children might have to carry on the work as the wolves might not change fast enough for you to see how doggy they are in your lifetime, but it's observable and true science.
If has a homoerectus, and millions of years, you could also see how it evolves into a human. The evidence is quite strong.
Right.. so you think the Bible is well written thats why its beleiver able? All the thees and thous I suppose. I guess thats why you spout that nonsense about your ye olde English translation of the Bible being the only decent one. I guess the tower of Babbel wouldnt sound so good if it was written like:
"one day there were these peeps that wanted to build this right grand tower to see god but this god guy got proper mad at them all steamed up like and made them all speak different language and thats how we have English and french and negro talk."
Sounds like a load of bullshit right? Well.. thats because it is.. no matter how you write it.
The Bible is the Word of God. I believe God before I believe you. You can believe yourself all the way to Hell if you want to, and you can even believe yourself while you fry like an eternal sausage. You want a reality void of anything good from God, Hell is that reality and you are asking for it and can you blame God for giving you the reality you want? Well I suppose you can, but it won't get you out of the fire.
. You can believe yourself all the way to Hell if you want to, and you can even believe yourself while you fry like an eternal sausage.
Serious, have you seen the ISIS videos? I think you'd like them you sadistic cunt.
l the way to Hell if you want to, and you can even believe yourself while you fry like an eternal sausage. You want a reality void of anything good from God, Hell is that reality and you are asking for it and can you blame God for giving you the reality you want?
If God isnt real then neither is hell. Shit for brains.
It reads like history and prophecy. You read like a fairy.
Can you explain how you turned into a woman, and then turned back into a man, and got mad at God over your predicament and you expect God to not leave you in Hell forever? .
oh, it's you...........so I won't bother reading whatever it is you are trying to say. It's kind of like how God will view you when your name is forgotten in Hell after God is finally fed up with your stupid arguments where the living can be disrupted by them
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
You are a mutation, a degradation down from what God intended you to be. Because of your mutation, sin, you are dying and on your way to Hell. Now do you understand?
Your genes are mutated so you are dying, the mutation is caused by the corruption of sin, and if you don't get saved you will wake up in Hell. Believing in evolution won't get you out of it. You are not evolving, you have fallen and are falling apart. You're only fooling yourself to think you are strong in your mind by ruling out God who is your only hope of avoiding Hell.
why is evolution so important for you? Do you think it assures you life outside of Hell? That's it, isn't it? You believe in evolution because as long as you can tell yourself it's real, you can feel like you are exempt from eternal condemnation, so dying is nothing and you are excused from being who you are? Is that it? Is that your hope which causes you to desperately cling to belief in evolution?
I don't see why it is important to believe we came from dirt or soup without purpose. Can you explain why it is important to believe that?
And again, if Narnia or Valhaila is a real place, who really cares? It's only Hell that is important for you to deny. The same with Santa Clause and unicorns...who cares if they are real? It's only God you really want to be void.......God and Hell, can't have those. Unicorns, Flying Spaghetti Monster, Narnia, those are no problem if they are real.
According to evolution, you do not exist, you only appear to be a person but in reality are only a fizz of chemicals with no real purpose, meaning, or value. That's why in evolution it is no big deal if you were killed inside your mothers womb....it never really was you and it's really not you now. Why people think it is important to believe in evolution is an amazing thing indeed.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
You really don't believe in God do you? How long have you been pretending. Anyone who treats a question as benign as mine like that is clearly pretending to believe in God.
This idiot had a sister and a mother who aborted their babies after their loverboys forgot to use condoms. One of the boyfriends was named Boyhomoman. He was Bobs lover and they dreamed of riding a horse to Jupiter. Jupiter said no women are allowed there, so they read the Koran together trying to learn about Islam. Then they found many times in the Koran that Muhammed says they are supposed to kill Christians, Jews, and Homos. Since they hated the Bible and Christians and God, and they didn't want to say homos are perverts, and their women were too loose to depend on, they decided to sell their souls to evolution in hope of escaping reality in death, and they both went out in a suicide pact and woke up in Hell. Oops, that's not funny. It was supposed to be a joke, sorry. I see no humor in you fools.
22hrs ago, figured out why you hate me so much....it's because I speak against sin and you love perversion.
No, we hate you because you don't debate on a website called CreateDebate. We came here to engage in discussions. You came here to pretend to believe in God.
Of all the things that have caused your head to explode, asking about vaccinations was one of the simplest. When you regain your composure, just realize that vaccinations causes your head to explode for a good reason.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
You should stop checking responses for a little while. You have been known to have your head explode with just one word, and you don't want to risk back to back head explosions.
Exactly! I can't see whats so hard to understand about that. I'm glad to see theres someone with common sense here. Too many people talking out of both sides of their mouths.
I check responses to my arguments and I see the faces of five fools who think they have the right to exist outside of Hell and I"m leaving them in the dust, I tried to tell them how they can be saved but they think they are better than God........idiots.
Your description of that sort of physiological adaptation...one caused by nurture and not nature..is a very controversial topic among us Biologists. That theory that it can even happen is called epigenetics. It is, btw, far from proven. I myself am a believer, and think that adapted traits can be obtained from both genetic mutation AND epigenetics.
I am currently reading a book one the subject by my favorite science writer, Sam Kean, entitled The Violinist's Thumb.
Easy - you just take the opposite of what you said...
You:"changes in genetic expression triggered by environment are not mutations"
Reality:"A mutation is a change that occurs in our DNA sequence, either due to mistakes when the DNA is copied or as the result of environmental factors such as UV light and cigarette smoke."
82 scientist got together with mathmatical equations and developed a list of minimal required expectations, and scientific properties that would have to exist or have occurred in order to have any reasonable expectations of the existence of alien life.
When I post a link to a one-page magazine article - you say "What are you saying? a link is not an argument! I don't respond to links, they are to support arguments!"
But you can post a 2+ hour video and suddenly the same no longer applies??
It's there to listen to. I recapped what it is about, in my point. it's your choice to listen to. If not be closed, find out after the rapture. You may have an opportunity then. Maybe as long as your not in the portions of population wiped out by the tribulation .
Randomness did not create, you need information to make DNA.
Evolution takes more faith in nothing and Randomness then faith needed for belief in God. At least you can prove God with common sense and reasoning. Evolution is ridiculous!
If evolution were true we would have life forms sprouting out of nothing all day.
What is it like hair dye, it stopped after it evolved so far because nothing is intelligent?
And aside from changing properties for adaptation there is only things growing with an intelligent designer. Scientists putting together to make. That's still not random nothing!
Look at the Giraffe. How did evolution work backward from a dead body? Their long neck getting water needs a valve that would necessitate it's survival. A valve it would be dead before knowing it needed. There are many animals that evolution could not be possible. Because of the process, unless you can evolve from dead and from nothing!
DNA is a combination of code that is not mathematically possible in even a small sense.
The creating of life is not possible without intelligent design.
Every law in science tells evolution is not possible.
The only ones who are foolish enough to buy it are basically science cooks. Take tomatoes sauce mozzarella and chicken and you can make chicken parmigian.
So we throw things together by some knowledge and intelligence, and we unite them with the helping hand of a science chef, and wow it happens to grow together.
So then let's pretend that can happen with no chef. And then call it evolution.
And ignore math and all other science principles because we want to insult the Creator with random nothingness, which I'm pretty sure would not be a wise thought in the end.
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
AD and BC didn't exist for hundreds of years after Jesus died. Russia didn't adopt the AD/BC system until 1918 (others were later). Some countries still do not use the Gregorian AD/BC - e.g.: Saudi Arabia, Ethiopia, Nepal, Iran, Afghanistan.
Jesus was likely born somewhere between 4 - 6 years before what we currently consider 1 A.D.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left., All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
Again what does that have to do with anything. Is all of time names after Pharoah or Cesar or Mohammad?
No! Jesus divides time just like in the Bible YHWH divides in the middle writing in both directions. With Jerusalem as a mid point! Do you think they made a deal with Assyria and other countries well West nations weren't even there, yet we have this in the TORH. And the curious shocking and equal in grandness is not only is language divided, in the same book that babel is told, coincidence? Then to have Jesus divide time for our dating. He who appoints our days our times our years, Jesus.
And these three crazy coincident seem to confirm God!
Is all of time names after Pharoah or Cesar or Mohammad?
Yes - The calendars for Saudi Arabia, Iran and Afghanistan are based on Mohammed; Nepal's is based on a legendary Hindu king.
Many orthodox churches still use the Julian calendar to calculate dates for certain festivals like easter - the Julian calendar was implemented by Julius Caesar.
The Gregorian calendar is only a slight modification from the Julian calendar.
Before AD meant Anno Domini - it meant: Anno Diocletiani - and was named for a Roman emperor who killed Christians.
People centuries after Jesus died guessed a wrong date for his incarnation and slightly modified the Roman based calendar that was already widely used, while Jews, Muslims and others still use different calendars - and this proves what again?
YHWH divides in the middle writing in both directions. With Jerusalem as a mid point!
First - write in discernable English, please.
Second, if this is a reference to your earlier assertions: "All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left" and "All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right" - that is entirely made up (as I've already said.)
It is West and East. And like I said it is especially interesting they are all directional. I wouldn't be surprised if it were taken horizontal to find the same thing.
Like I'm ready to see that, it would be double mind blowing!
How is it interesting that some languages go from left to right, some go from right to left, some go both ways, some go from top to bottom, some go from bottom to top, some go around, and some have changed direction over time?
That somehow is a sign??
I wouldn't be surprised if it were taken horizontal to find the same thing.
As I already said - there is no pattern here to see - not all countries write pointing toward Jerusalem - neither horizontally, nor vertically.
A genetic mutation is deemed beneficial if it produces a physiological trait that enables the animal (or plant) to thrive and to produce offspring in its specific environment.
All species have genetic mutations. You have some right now. So do I. The thing is we never know about them unless they cause a problem. And if they indeed are an advantage, in time they will be passed on and then "selected in" and will in time become the norm. As we will prevail over the less-fortunate members of our species who were not endowed with the advantageous physiological trait that the mutation produced.
So...this is what we call Selective Inheritance. It is the driving force of Evolution. We "select" and then our off-spring "inherit" the mutations that are advantageous for living in their environment.
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Don't forget to look at that list of Transitional Fossils.
Evolution is never seen, it cannot be scientifically studied. You are describing adaptations which are genetic changes triggered in response to changes in the environment, calling it "selective inheritance", and adding the huge leap of evolution which you strongly believe actually has happened and will continue to happen.
The fossils you refer to as "transitional" are complete animals. To believe they were changing into different animals is something you can show only in cartoon animations. My guess is that some if not most of those "transitional fossils" are documented frauds anyways. I've seen the lists before, I did a college term paper on the one which was announced on an April 1st, I forget which year it was, but it was supposed to be a fish coming out of muddy waters turning into a reptile. It was taken seriously by evolutionist in spite of obviously being an April fools joke, and I've seen it referenced in lists of "transitional species" more than once. They predicted they would find the bones of the critter, then they went looking, and viola!!!! there it was!!!!! and it was phony!!!! but evolutionists bought it and still sell it.
Those museums are like the guy who had that big circus, Barnum? Wrigley brohters and Barnum and Bailey Circus? Anyways, the guy was famous for saying "a sucker is born every minute", which was his guiding principal for drawing people in to his shows.
Again, friend, you need to keep up with the latest science and see how those "vestigial" traits are being found purposeful and not leftover garbage as your teachers who were educated in biology but are not biologists continue to teach. Just google any of those vestigial things to see the latest findings on them, and if they haven't found anything new, they need to study it some more in REAL biological research, not in evolutionary proclamations of proof of evolution which ceases to study what is observed.
How many times have I seen that stuff? Do you think if I look at it again I will believe it? Why would I want to believe in something which implies I am not me, but rather am a meaningless hologram produces by chemical reactions?
It's the same stuff that was shoved in my face almost as far back as I can remember, like when I was five years old. There's nothing new in it, and why in the world people get paid for adding complications and charts trying to gain believers is amazing. Evolution is good for nothing except generating non-productive make-work for people who should have better things to do. I really don't know why you cling to it except for the tremendous peer pressure you face as you try to prepare for a career outside of the school..or inside the school like Dawkins
The notion of vestigial organs as an argument for evolution fails on a number of counts.
Firstly, vestigial organs provide no positive evidence for evolution. They are presented as negative evidence against a designer. And even if the vestigial organ argument were true, it at best presents examples of degeneration or information loss. This is the opposite of what evolution requires to explain the origin of the complexity and diversity of life. For vestigiality to occur in evolutionary terms, the organ needs to have been formed by naturalistic processes to be fully functional at some time in the past. However, this is precisely the problem: there is no evidence for such creative processes.
REPEAT:.........................................................................................................And even if the vestigial organ argument were true, it at best presents examples of degeneration or information loss. This is the opposite of what evolution requires to explain the origin of the diversity of life..............................................................................................................................................
Secondly, the argument from vestigiality is usually laden with theological inaccuracies. The ‘designer’ that is implicitly assumed in most invectives against design is nothing like the biblical God,11 but rather is a completely unhistorical and impersonal deity, more akin to a deistic ‘watchmaker’ than a fully personal God who is intimately involved in His Creation (as revealed in the Bible).
It is often assumed by the anti-God brigade, though unvoiced, that the designer created everything as we see it today. Within the biblical model, degeneration is expected because of the Fall. The Fall subjected the Creation to bondage to decay (Romans 8:18–25), of which mutational degeneration is one example.13
It is also assumed that unless the designer created something completely new every time, that the designer has failed, or has acted in a way that is inconsistent with a designer being involved at all. However, the biblical God would have been expected to create in an orderly manner because regularity in design ‘brought honour to the Creator and would also indicate the Creator’s authority over and mastery of His creation.’
Thirdly, the vestigial organs argument is made by comparing modern creatures to one another to infer the historical origin of the ‘vestigial’ structure. However, this is invalid for ascertaining the origin of such structures. Not only does common ancestry have to be assumed for this to work, but so does evolutionary stasis in the ‘control’ creature used for comparison.
Food for thought
Vestigial organs fail as an argument for evolution, and against the biblical Designer. Spinney’s revised definition of ‘vestigial’ blurs the lines so much that almost anything could in principle be called ‘vestigial’. There are a few important points for evolutionists to consider before they argue against the biblical account of creation / design:
The biblical God is a subtle Creator. He is able to create structures and reflexes that have no selective advantage because He is not bound by evolutionary constraints. Function and design for the biblical God is hardly limited to what is needed for survival.
The biblical God is not constrained by novelty as a critical factor in design. Rather, regularity magnifies God’s honour as master over his creation. Regularity also speaks of their being only one Creator, not many—the ‘Biotic Message’— so it provides a basis for no one having any excuse for living as if there is no Creator (Romans 1:18–23).
There is a historical explanation from the biblical worldview that explains degeneration in biology: the Fall. This is often scoffed at as an explanation, but it does explain the biological data as we see it today, and does so without the hindrances that evolution has.
Essentially, evolutionists must interact with the biblical God if they wish to seriously engage the design argument. Otherwise their argument is nothing but a straw man one.
I take no credit for writing this, though many of the statements are strikingly similar to my own words when I talk of these things off the top of my head. I am in full agreement with all of these statements.
Such an evolution such as that of the primate heart would not show up in a fossil. And I think you know this. Internal organs and soft tissues are not fossile material. But we do have DNA evidence now. We can even explain how and when the thoracic changes occurred, and in what species. I have a nice video of this process as well.
The thing about fossils in reality is the opposite if what religious zealots I like to think. Even though conditions have to be perfect for them to form, we have collected an abundance if transitional fossils. You have dozens of chances to see them on display if you would only try. We are actually surprised by how damn many fossils we have. I don't even know of any zealots who even try to play that card any longer, such is the preponderance of our fossil collection.
Meanwhile......this is a nice article you might find to be of help in explaining the evolution of the heart.
I have seen videos showing the cartoon animations of animals morphing into different animals. I do not believe in evolution. You can't show me a video of evolution because you can't film it. You can only make cartoons depicting what you believe happened. I don't watch cartoons any more, but if I did it would be the old Bugs Bunny and Roadrunner show.
they are not "transitional species", they are bones of individual animals. There is no need to believe in evolution to study any kind of science or application of science, and there is more and more science against evolution and the big bang as real scientists regardless of their beliefs look at nature scientifically and not trying to fit their findings into their beliefs. I have tried repeatedly to get you to look at these things but you won't. These things are pretty much forbidden in secular colleges, ignored by professors who hate scientific evidence which contradicts their belief in their religion of naturalism wherein they think they owe their lives to the universe rather than the Creator of the universe. ...who worship and serve the creature rather than the Creator who is blessed forever, neither were they thankful but became vain in their imaginations and their foolish hearts were darkened.. Somehow I still think you have enough of a desire for objective truth that you are better than Dawkins.
Interesting how there is no Hell anywhere in all of the Torah, no mention of it whatsoever. The Jews had no concept of hell whatsoever until they came into contact with the Greeks. In fact almost all of the early works just called it Hades. The term 'Hell' etymologically stems from the Germanic-Norse pagan underworld HEL, notice it has only one 'L'. In Norse Tradition Hel was not only the realm of departed souls, it was also the name of the Goddess who ruled over it. This Hel predated the Christian Hell by a few centuries. This borrowing of ideas and language is what social scientists call Cultural Diffusion.
The concept of Hell is distinctly pagan in origin.
Why do you bother talking to me? All you have is dying, all your talk leads to death and I don't want it, you can keep it and enjoy it as much as possible
You have nothing to offer but death and you make a lot of stupid arguments supporting it and I'm not interested in your rotten ideas. Keep them in your own rotting body, that would be best, because you will receive extra punishments in Hell for teaching others that it's good to defy God.
I cannot offer you anything that will spare you from death, which is what you want. Death is inevitable. This is as hard a fact as there will ever be. Death is inevitable. That is the truth whether you like it or not. Death is the fate of everyone, that is not some arcane pontification in some old book, that is an everyday reality. It is undeniable. To deal with this discomforting fact you've grasped onto some ancient mythology, the dominant one of your culture as many others have to ease your anxieties. Which is well enough, if it makes you feel better, believe whatever you wish. But you have doubts, I can tell, which is why you are so insecure about it. If other people believe the same you would feel more confident about what you believe, but the trouble is that many people --intelligent people even -- don't believe. These people exacerbate your anxieties so you lash out at them.
I have a Savior, He has saved me, I'm going to heaven with my sins forgiven, I know He can save you but you prefer death so you can have it. Your just trying to waste my time. I'm not interested in what you offer. Keep it for yourself.
Numbers 16:32And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. 33They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation
Deuteronomy 32:22
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Sounds to me like Hell is clear in the Torah. Why Jews would not believe in Hell I don't know. Why they don't believe Jesus is their Messiah I don't know. Why you believe you can be a sinner and live outside of Hell, I don't know....just wishful thinking.
Keep on telling yourself that you can't possibly end up in Hell, then see where you end up. And keep in believing all the garbage you can find on the web that teaches there is no Hell and you don't need to be saved. Keep on believing death gets you out of reality so your sin does not matter. You're a fine Bob.......fools, both of you. See for yourself. I don't like your hateful attitude, you always sound bitter and nasty and I'm leaving you to learn the hard way if that's they only way you will learn. Liar liar pants are on fire, you don't have the right to live outside of Hell or you would not be dying now as you will be dying in the fire of Hell forever if you are not forgiven, not saved, not pardoned, not reconciled to God through the blood of His Son. I just shake my head in amazement wondering how people like you who are so foolish can think they are smart.
For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
Sounds to me like Hell is clear in the Torah.
In Hebrew the verse says SHEOL, not Hell. Sometimes the KJV translates Sheol as 'grave' and sometimes as 'Hell'. The Jews believed that EVERYONE goes to Sheol at death even the righteous, thus it cannot be considered synonymous with the Christian Hell, despite what deceptive translations might have you believe.
Even if you do change Hell to sheol in that passage, there's still a fire burning there from God's wrath implying sinner there will feel the heat of God's wrath, and that is Hell no matter if you call it Sheol or whatever. The words translate differently in English according to the context. There is one Hell, it's where you are going. Calling it "the Christian Hell" is wrong, it's the sinners Hell. You are not a Christian, there is no Christian Hell, there is only a sinners Hell for sinners.
If you want to do a real Bible study on the doctrine of Hell, I can show you that the Bible throughout is consistent in teaching Hell is a literal place of fire where sinners remain forever except for when they are brought up to appear at the Judgement seat of Christ. The little twists of word play you are trying to pull, and are promoted by ALL religions including religions like Catholicism which is not Biblical Christianity, are not what the Bible teaches. You are getting bits and pieces of information from people who either do not believe the Bible or do not know the Bible so they twist things because they want to believe there is no Hell which literally fries sinners like eternal sausages.
your false teaching, whoever you got it from, jumps to preconceived conclusions wanting to remove punishment of sin...the same thing you want to do with atheism.
I'll say it once again, in plain simple logic; You are defying God, thinking you have the right to stand outside of Hell rejecting God's mercy and He has every right to leave you in the fire of Hell which you are literally asking for though ypu don't believe you can get it.....but you are wrong, your're going to get it, but it will be too late then to believe God cares and wants you to be saved.
you know what? I'm not even going to try to teach you the Bible, you can find the stuff easily yourself if you quit looking only for garbage which tells you that there is no punishment in death. You're fooling yourself and it would be foolish for me to think I can talk you out of it. You want death, you love it, and it makes me sick. I have to leave you behind.
Even if you do change Hell to sheol in that passage, there's still a fire burning there from God's wrath implying sinner there will feel the heat of God's wrath
No, the verse states "...and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains". The earth is not consumed with fire. The verse is prophetic, it is saying This will happen someday. Sheol was a place that both righteous and unrighteous went upon death (Isaiah 38:10, Genesis 37:35, Job 14:13).
The righteous do not go into the fire. There is a reason "sheol" is interpreted as grave in one place and Hell in another. Heaven was not open to the righteous until the final sacrifice was mad by God Himself in the form of a man, the Lamb of God.
Sin permeates all of creation, and it will be purged by fire. Its' the fire of God's wrath, the same fire which burns with brimstone in Hell. The righteous are not in Sheol now, they were never in fire in Sheol. They were in paradise awaiting the promise of God that He Himself would come pay for their sins with His own blood, and He came, and took them out of Sheol in His resurrection with the unrighteous remain in the fire of Sheol which is Hell.
You are fighting against the concept of Hell for the same reason everybody else who is on there way to the fire fights against it....the simple reason that something inside you recognizes that Hell is God's justice against sin and you are afraid to admit your guilt, you are afraid to trust God, because you know that would mean siding with God against your own sin and confessing and forsaking your sin, your life would be different, and you are too chicken to trust God for that change....so you fight fight fight, making excuses for not repenting of your sin, telling yourself that death relieves you rather than punishes you, negating your own life in death and you will wake up in Hell and one day be hauled up to face the Judge who would have been your Savior, and you will be cast away into the Lake of Fire at the hands, I believe, of God's holy angels, and you will be where the devil and his fallen angels will be.........by your own words you will not believe God's provision for your forgiveness, for your salvation, so you will mock God and He will mock you when your calamity comes.
ou're fooling yourself and it would be foolish for me to think I can talk you out of it.
Erm..... you spend about 3 hours a day, every day without fail, trying to convince people you are right. What is different now? Ah.. its that they are asking you about the Bible. Something you have never even referenced during your 100s of hours spent "debating" on this site. More prove that you are not a Christian.
He's not asking about the Bible, he is making accusations. He picked up some garbage somewhere, and is not interested in what the Bible really says or he would find for himself the correct Biblical teaching on Hell. It's not hard to find.
And as for you, you too need to be saved from Hell. When I write these things, it is with little hope that you will repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ because you have made it pretty clear that you think you are good so you don't have to care much what Christ did for you when He died for your sins to save you from Hell, to justify you by His resurrection if you will believe on Him. You see, you are responding to things I addressed to another person; another person who has made it pretty clear they are as obstinate as yourself. I write these things more for the people I have no idea are reading them. I'm well enough aware of my faults and weaknesses, and I know I deserve to die and burn in Hell forever as one who has gone against God; the same as you and everybody else. Yet God Himself died in my place as the Son sent by the Father, and having believed on Him, He now lives in my by His Holy Spirit, making me a child of God, and one day I will be forever changed to be perfect like Jesus, with Him, for Him, by Him, forever in Heaven where I will serve Him gladly.
I hold little hope of getting anything out of you other than animosity, like most of the people who argue with me. You, Bohemian, Smilingbog.....you three come across to me as nothing but bitter, using insults as argument as if proving I have faults makes you as good as me so you can't go to Hell if I'm saved from it. It does not work that way, you have to obtain pardon from God through the blood of His Son. Between you and God is your sin, not mine. You need God's forgiveness for your sins, and He paid for them with His own blood so you don't have to pay in Hell if you will believe on Him and receive Him by faith as your Savior.
A. Admit you have sinned against God and deserve His punishment for breaking His law after He gave you life
B. Believe Jesus is God the Son who died in your place and rose from the dead offering you forgiveness for the sins which caused Him to die....your sins.
C. Call on God the Father in the name of God the Son and ask Him to save you from Hell, agree with God that only He can save you and invite Jesus in to your life as your Savior now and forever.
You, sir, or ma'am based on your alter-gender profile, will probably do nothing in response to these words other than to criticize me, continuing in the pride of your sin. I really do not write these things for you when I am responding to your post because I know your attitude. This is written for the person I don't know is watching, the one who wants to be saved from Hell, and even if none ever see it and believe, God knows I still tried to tell them according to His word and He knows I tried to tell you and what are you going to say when you stand before Him on Judgement Day?
So Sheol burns with fire of Hell. The fire of God's wrath burns to the lowest Sheol if you must use the word Sheol there. It's still fire. It's Hell if you call it Sheol or not.
If you want to do a Bible study, I can show you how Sheol is used at times speaking of Hell which burns with fire and brimstone and at times speaking of the grave. Obviously in Deut. 32:22 it is referring to Hell.
The only way to take the fire out of Hell in the Torah or in the rest of the Bible is to bury your head in the sand and pretend the fire is not going to burn your hiney.
You are already dead in your sins. You are in the first death, dying as a sinner, on your way to the second death in the Lake of Fire with no countdown of time in your dying.
"We can even explain how and when the thoracic changes occurred, and in what species. I have a nice video of this process as well."
Correction: you can explain how you believe the changes occurred and in what species you believe the change happened. That is not science, it is a hypothesis which believing does not prove.
That article only points out the differences in hearts in different kinds of animals. That is not proof of evolution....and using "damn" as emphasis for your argument sounds like you are insecure in the facts and are trying to overpower differing opinions by forceful speech. In a court of law, using language that way can be considered as abuse, emotional assault. To me, it's fighting words, not intellectual discussion, not civil discourse, and lacking in intellectual strength or moral character and I don't want to fight with you...I think we got past that.
A pile of bones is a pile of bones. Calling it "transitional" is inserting belief. Museums dedicated to presenting fossils as if they prove the morphing only seen in animations really happened and dishonest. Can't they find extinct species interesting without inserting evolutionary belief?
Fossils can form in a wide variety of ways. Some common methods include:
The body can leave an impression or mold showing its outer shape in the surrounding sand or mud. This can include footprints and the inside and outside of shells. With the right ingredients and conditions, the mold can harden quickly, like cement.
Petrification takes place when minerals replace the original material of the plant or animal. These petrified fossils must form quickly, before the body parts have time to decay. Petrified wood is a classic example.
Permineralization, or encased fossilization, occurs when dissolved minerals fill the pores and empty spaces in the plant or animal but don’t replace any of the original material. The chemicals then turn into crystals, keeping the organism safe and preserved. While it is possible for many different chemicals to do this, quartz is the most common. Most dinosaur bones are permineralized.
Fossils can form under all kinds of conditions all over the world. While water and dissolved minerals are usually needed to form the three types of fossils above, many processes—coalification, compression, freezing, desiccation (drying out), to name a few—do not require either.
Though there are numerous ways to make fossils, fossilization is somewhat rare today. Why is that?
God created the world to efficiently recycle organic matter. When something dies, scavengers, fungi (like mushrooms), and/or bacteria normally consume it. This process of decomposition leaves nothing behind to fossilize.
However, massive catastrophes like Noah’s Flood would produce the conditions necessary to quickly bury and protect creatures so that they can fossilize. It appears that God wanted to leave abundant evidence of His past judgment of mankind’s sin.
While scientists are still trying to sort out the complex details about fossilization, one fact is undisputed—it can be amazingly fast.
selective inheritance is the driving force of racial superiority. It's why us whites dropped our tails quicker than the blacks, so they are better at basketball and we are smarter. Just kidding.....but really, this is what evolution leads to and it was crucial when Derwin popularized belief in evilootion.
Evolution is actually a combination of SEVERAL SCIENCES.
Including: Biology; Chemistry; Anthropology; Zoology; Botany; Geology; Genetics; and physiology.
And guess what?
They ALL AGREE on Evolution. The fact is so prevalent in those sciences that we don't even discuss the matter, if it's true or not. We take it for granted becasue of all the decades and mountains of evidence. None of which is EVER disputed successfully. We take Evolution as matter-of-fact as, say, a chemist would when examining water, in saying that it is H20.
And a theory is MORE than just a fact! It is a collection of facts that have all been tried and proven and observed time and again.
So.........Evolution = More than One Science.
All those sciences (about 10 different disciplines) agree on Evolution.
There has NEVER been a proven discovery that refutes Evolution. Or even questions it. The only thing the nay-sayers--of which there are virtually NONE outside of the Church--can do is ask us why we cannot explain some fact. Never mind that we HAVE explained about 98% of Evolution. All we have left really is to figure out Abiogenesis. And so, the only thing the naysayers HAVE is that. So they say god did it.
Which of course is absurd and is a total cop-out.
There is so very much evidence for Evolution that the only reason a person would disagree with it is because their superstitions, err, their religions, tell them they need to.
NO man of science today disagrees with it. It simply is. not. done.
Comeon, Slappy, if you really want people to respect you as a scientist, you need to be honest. I think you are well aware that the inventor of the MRI machine which revolutionized modern medicine as well as inventions used in satellites which could not function without his invention is a man who is a true scientist, highly accomplished, and highly respected in the scientific community....and is a young earth Creationist. I can present a list of dozens if not hundreds of similar accomplished and respected scientists.
Your assertion:
"There is so very much evidence for Evolution that the only reason a person would disagree with it is because their superstitions, err, their religions, tell them they need to.
NO man of science today disagrees with it. It simply is. not. done.
Hope this helps.
SS"
IS A FLAT OUT LIE!!!!!! A scientist is supposed to deal in observable facts, and your dishonesty in this kind of stuff casts doubt on your character. To me it says you are desperate to cling to evolutionary belief. You have made statements like this many times, and it shows you really are trying to fool yourself and seem to be succeeding by the way you refuse to trust God and hide behind your faciasde of evolution.
In evolution, you are abusing the word theory to describe belief, a hypothesis. It is completely unnecessary for science. You can't show me anything in science dependent on evolutionary belief. All scientific observation and study needs no belief in evolution. The only thing you need to believe in evolution for is to support your hope of escaping reality in death while you excuse yourself for inventing whatever morality seems to fit your wants at any given moment.
And there are many proven discoveries which refute evolution, I can show you dozens. You will have to do all kinds of mental contortions and avoidance of facts to brush them aside. I have offered to present you such lists of scientists and facts which dispute evolution many times, I have posted many of them and provided links which lead to dozens or hundreds of these things. Evolutionary belief has science cornered only behind the wall of your mind which you set up trying to block God out, and all you are doing is blocking yourself out from life hoping in death for relief.
I'm sorry man, you are not a scientist, you are an evolutionist, a religious zealot proclaiming freedom of sexual immorality.
You yourself are proof that God is the giver of life, you don't get life from non-living things, if you think you do you are not a scientist but a believer in the hypothesis of naturalism which goes without real evidence. How you can say your life is not a documented fact proving God gives life is only in lunacy believing life rose from matter and intelligence came from nowhere.
Apparently you have made a career out of building a wall trying to keep God out of your life and there is only one reason for doing that....it's because you love your sin more than life and don't want God involved because He demands you be against your sin. Since you will not be against your sin, God will be against you and guess what you get? You don't get out in evolution. Too bad for you I guess, but it's good for me because God is good, life means God is good, evolution means life is meaningless. You can have your confusion since you seem to love it so much.
you need to recant your statement asserting that no scientists disagree with your evolutionary views. This partial admission is only an insult and not an admission. Psychiatrists who believe in evolution are deluded, and their opinion of scientists based on the scientists rejection of belief in evolution is irrelevant.
All you are doing is trying to justify your own denial of objective morals so you feel whatever you want to do at any given moment is justified. By refusing to recognize highly accomplished and respected scientists who reject evolution, insulting them by saying they are all deluded only reflects on your own character, your own insecurity. I understand you feel challenged in morality so it is important to you to smear every person who believes in objective morals and objective value and purpose of life. Evolution is a cheap excuse for condoning immorality, and it won't excuse you in Judgement Day. You wont' get out of being you in death, everything you have ever said, thought, done, everywhere you ever went, is on your record and dying does not get you out of it, you will stand before God in judgement and answer for it all, and if you are not covered by the blood of Jesus Christ who paid for your sins, His blood you trample will testify against you and you will be rejected by Him in death as you reject Him from life, and I won't tell you where that will get you because you know and you don't want to be told and don't care.......
The man who invented the MRI machine is not sexually immoral. Indulgence in sexual immorality shows mental illness as the deviant devalues his or her body giving it away for less than it's worth, often resulting in depression and suicide which may or may not include STD's. Dawkins condones a lot of perversion. To imply the man who invented the MRI machine is mentally ill or deluded is dishonest, cheap, non-scientific, and when you do things like that it casts doubt on your own character making you look like somebody who can't be trusted. Maybe nobody in your evolutionary circles has the backbone to question the veracity of the people who shove evolution down your throat and threaten to black ball you if you don't comply. That only means your class is a bunch of spineless weasels and because you have real fighting spirit I think you are better than them though you insist you want to be one of them forever. They're teacher's pet wimps and you are sucking up to them.......just a plain shame.
And you claim to be free of mental illness while you are bring home crack whores and cursing God, and getting drunk to bury your hopelessness in futility of death?
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes
in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
Evolution is a belief which excludes contradictory data in SEVERAL SCIENCES. People who believe in evolution agree that all contradictory data should be ignored.
Cant even name one shred of data? Shame. Unfortunately i know your arguments and its all just doubting the evidence of evolutionary theory rather than presenting original data.
If you know my arguments, why don't you post them and show what is wrong with them? You're just a jerk, that's why I'm not answering you.....and I doubt you know half of the things I would present because I doubt you have done any serious research on the subject.....maybe you have a pet list preferred by evolutionists as things they can put enough confusion into so they pretend to answer.....
You're just a jerk, asking me to provide data and then claiming you know the data I would provide.......and listen, idiot, if the data is factual and casts doubt on evolution, then evolution can only be counted as a hypothesis and not a theory. You say you know the facts that cast doubt on evolution........facts stand, evolution is a belief contrary to facts.....and you are a jerk for playing this stupid game with me, and by simple logic you lost the game anyways.
All you are doing is trying to convince yourself that you have the right to exist outside of Hell because your life is justified. Obviously your life is not justified or you would not be dying, obviously you do not have the right to exist outside of Hell....it's just a privilege given by God for a time if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved from Hell where apparently you must wake up before you believe sinners do not have the right to be outside of it.
You're just a jerk, asking me to provide data and then claiming you know the data I would provide.......and listen, idiot, if the data is factual and casts doubt on evolution, then evolution can only be counted as a hypothesis and not a theory. You say you know the facts that cast doubt on evolution........facts stand, evolution is a belief contrary to facts.....and you are a jerk for playing this stupid game with me, and by simple logic you lost the game anyways.
You are a foul mouthed excuse for a Christian arent you? Well nevermind. You know what would happen if I read evidence against evolution? I might change my view on evolution. You know how that would affect my life? Not at all. I have no bias to believe in evolution. It seems like the theory that best fits the data and if it turns out its false then... big deal.
I think you got the message. Your sin separates you from God and condemns you to Hell. Jesus died for you to save you from Hell. He rose from the dead to justify all who repent of their sins and believe on Him. I guess you think you are good to go to heaven, so go ahead and find out how good you really are. Why your dying does not tell you that you are no good at all is beyond me.
It's like Dawkins says, "I would be willing to re-think Evolution in a minute, and even doubt it, if only one piece of verifiable evidence arose that refuted it. Or even discredited it in the least. Such as ONE fossil found ONE time in the wrong strata of earth, that did not coincide with its indicated age. But this has never happened!"
I feel the same way!
Saint once asked me why Evolution is so imprtant to me. Answer is: it is NOT! LOL. I just take it as a mundane and common fact, as I do that the Earth revolves around the Sun, or that the sky is blue because of what we call Rayleigh Scattering.
Its when deluded people attack my science and try to foist their silly delusions on us that the whole thing becomes worth discussing. Otherwise, among us here at school and also 90% of anybody in the country with a college degree, there is no need to ever argue the obvious. We prefer more controversial and debatable topics. Evolution, to the learned and rational, is not even debatable. It is simple fact.
All that is important is showing what is wrong with you, so maybe you will realize that only God can fix you. You're a sinner who needs to be changed to be like your Creator so you can be with Him in Heaven forever, and only He can make that change in you when you receive Him as your Savior....but you love your sin more than life, don't you, and you hope evolution makes you exempt from Hell so you do not have to be subject to moral law, don't you?
The facts I would post are not debated but rather ignored by evolutionary scientists.
I would not post the set of facts which evolutionists fool themselves into thinking their way of looking at the data to fit their beliefs is better than how the data fits into the Biblical model of reality. There is a strong censorship in the evolutionary educational community, an insecurity which avoids allowing those who do not believe in evolution to take the lead in the discussions.....they do this by repeatedly stating their own beliefs and spending a lot of time and money keeping the focus on following their teaching while ignoring facts and data which show their beliefs are not dealing with reality. I will not do the homework for you to show you the data and facts, you can find them easily if you want to....just google something like "scientific data and facts which counter evolution and big bang beliefs". There are so many things available, if you find a good website which presents some of this stuff which is forbidden in secular science classrooms, even that good website will only hit on a tenth of the items. People like you want you keep your head in the sand, so why should I try to pull it out when you repeatedly indicate you will only shove your head in that some old hole deeper than before afraid you wont' be able to keep God behind the wall you have set up in your darkened mind and you will have to answer to Him for your sins.
I would not post the set of facts which evolutionists fool themselves into thinking their way of looking at the data
Exactly - the reference doesn't list evolutionist claims - it posts the claims of the ignorant such as yourself (actually far less ignorant than you), and then debunks them.
Claims that you repeatedly (and erroneously) make like mutations don't add information, macroevolution is different than micro, no transition fossils, etc. etc. have long been addressed (the site was last updated about 10 years ago.)
Well I hate to say it but Artrag makes an excellent point.
You cannot offer any documented facts or evidence or discoveries that deny evolution. Or even throw doubts at it. All you guys can do is give us your arguments of incredulity. And say we fake our findings. But we have given mountains of evidence!
So how about one shred if evidence for creation? There is none, outside of your Bible stories.
There is no proof of evolution because it does not happen except in the make believe land of cartoon animations.
Just off the top of my head, not from any mathematician but I was thinking about some numbers. How many poople on the planet (poople is what people became after sin entered into the genome and death permeated creation)...how many poople are on the planet today? Now if you know where I"m going with this, feel free to interrupt and answer the question you know is coming.
Ok, in case you don't know where I"m going with this.....we have what, 5, 7 billion people now? And you want me to believe how many years since a little swimmy thing which came from either nonsense or was seeded by aliens who came from God only knows where? what is it, 3 million years ago? 3 billion years? whatever.
So on average that would be 2 or 2000 people for each year.
Now, in 5 or 7 billion people alive today, how come none of them was born with an evolutionary advancement? How come they are all poople with the same blood and genome as the monkey who was your uncle?
Now the remainder here is stuff I heard before from who knows where but it's like this....how many changes in the genome would be required for a little swimmy thing (skipping right over the millions of changes that had to take place for a single cell animal to morph into a swimmy fishy thing). So can you average out that number of changes per year on average? It would have to be something like ten thousand changes in the genome, not detrimental mutations......so if you add in most of the changes being detrimental mutations, that means something like 100 million changes with 1 in ten thousand being a successful mutation which caused a new genome producing a new animal to occor.....and my numbers are way on the low side.
So it would have had to happen so many times, why in 6 billion poople do we not have ONE with evolutionary advancement? It is because evolution only happens when the moon is in the seventh house and Jupiter aligns with Mars, so a creature gets zapped by stardust and changes suddenly into a different creature, so ten million on the changes happen at once, and that only once every 10 thousand years?
Maybe if you dig up a few million more piles of bones and line them all up, it will improve the cartoon animations and you can proclaim it is science.
Common sense contradicts evolution for crying out loud. It's nothing but conditioning yourself to excuse yourself in whatever you deem to be good regardless of morals, and the conditioning is a group hypnosis of the masses to try to cover up the evils of the leaders, and peons fall in line happily hoping to be excused in death from their sins, hoping to get out of being who they are, loving death, worshiping the created thing as if it gives them life while they are dying.
I don't know, Slappy...if you think you get off the hook in death, well, what can I say. You are you forever if you like it or not.
The whole universe itself is evidence of Creation. You believe in the big bang which is nonsensical, it's not science, it's a belief by which you twist scientific observations to fit your belief.
I have presented many facts before, you ignored them before and I'm sure you will ignore them again because you belief system depends on it. There is nothing in your science which demands belief in the big bang or evolution. You simply want to believe it because you feel it excuses your immoralities. Period.
Bad news for you: You had no choice in being you, and you can't get out of being you in death no matter how strongly you believe in evolution. Everything you have ever said, done, thought, every place you ever went, is your history and you are stuck with it and God will not allow you to get out in death. Enjoy your sin as much as possible if you think death is going to get you out of it. Psalm 14
It is a mutation that permanently changes the structure of the DNA. Sometimes this is beneficial. Some of these mutations have beneficial aspects. For examples in humans include stronger bones as in the case of LRP5 mutation; great flexibility in Marfan syndrome; higher pain tolerance due to variation of the gene MRC1; needed less sleep due to mutation in DEC2. See? I am engaging with you. Now what do you have to say?
The genome of a creature is programmed to respond to environmental changes within limits. That is not mutation, it is adaptation. The fact that a lot of people have developed dark skin does not mean they have evolved differently from idiots like you. The variations that express themselves are not additional DNA in the genome.
Your making a huge leap of cartoon animated beliefs without evidence to imply that such changes result in little swimmy critters morphing into people gradually or suddenly at any point in time or over huge spans of times during millions of years.
This whole argument a few of you buffoons are making trying to equate adaptation with evolution is just a smokescreen attempting to hide the fact that you believe in evolution while never being able to see it happen and nobody has ever seen it happen....because it does not happen, adaptation is not evolution.........and why should you care anyways, you think you are as good as God so you cannot be in Hell as a sinner.......like you said, you don't care, so why do you want to argue about it? I think you are a liar, full of doubletalk, fooling yourself into believing you are exempt from Hell.
Ok well I think the evidence supports evolution but hey I dont care. Prove me wrong. I dont give a shit whether evolution is true or not. One theory goes another comes. Who gives a shit.
See, there you go in a temper tantrum being a potty mouth. You don't care that you are on your way to Hell, and you think I'm supposed to not ban you from my debates? You will be banned from my debates, as will your alter-gender accounts, and I won't apologize. God will bannish you forever in Hell if you will not repent of your sin and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. I would say prove me wrong, but I know you can't because the truth is the truth. If you think you are right and will not be condemned as a sinner, go ahead and try to prove it.......I'm not interested, it's sad to watch, and if I let you know I'm watching you throw a temper tantrum...so I'll just turn and walk away and leave you in the dust.
So.. I have defeated you on the point about evolution then? Please don't try and debate it again. I knew youd do this. You ask for facts to disprove your point, I give them, then you start spending the next few hours typing again and again your off topic ranting. You seriously are like a crazy people: "Dougy, why dont want you want to leave your room today? "You dont have the right to live outside hell!!!!!! You IDIOT!!! ". Well Dougy, have fun with your pathetic little ranting. Maybe some day you will be able to actually debate.
You cannot defeat me, you can only believe that you have the right to exist outside of Hell. My sins are forgiven, paid for by God's own blood in Jesus Christ who is risen from the dead having conquered death for all who receive Him as God the Savior. I have received Him, He lives in me, He is my life, His life is eternal and He gives me eternal life. You cannot defeat me. That's why you hate me so much.
The only thing you are smashing apart is your own life, trying to justify yourself as if by convincing yourself that you are better than me you are good enough to remain outside of Hell. We are both sinners who deserve to die and burn in Hell. If you have not found forgiveness secured by God through the blood of His Son, you won't be forgiven. Your fighting a losing battle, you have won nothing, you have completely failed to keep yourself out of Hell. You need to give up the fight and believe on the Savior. Repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved. Don't expect me to be wasting time with you. I feel sorry for you and all you do it try to tear me to pieces and there are a lot more fish is this polluted sea dying. I'll leave you alone.
Uhh...Saint. he is sorta tearing you a new one on this debate. Artrag has given you the facts you requested and you have thus far been unable to disprove even one aspect of the hundreds that combine to formulate the Evolutionary theory.
You offer only an argument from incredulity. Saying his you cannot fathom how intelligence can be created from nothing. I have patiently explained how DNA works, and how it needs no divine god. Just because you personally cannot fathom a point is no way a rational or factual refutation or disproval of that point. You seem to continually not understand this.
You cannot defeat me, I have no argument other than God Himself paid for my sins with His own blood as the Son of God sent by the Father who rose from the dead and now that I have received Him as He is, the Lord God the Only Savior, He lives in my by His Holy Spirit, which is Christ in me the hope of glory. All your arguing is only going against your own life and your own words will testify against you in the Judgement if you will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to receive God's forgiveness and be saved. Why you hate me, that's your problem and not mine. Why you won't be saved, that's your problem and not mine. I hope I'm wrong, but I think you are going to wake up in Hell. I really hope I am wrong, I really hope you get saved, but you seem to be just to stinking proud.
Good. You don't care if you wake up in Hell, so I would just as soon not have you read my messages; it just makes you mad and you turn into super-jerk.
I am not being a jerk. This is about evolution. You are talking about something else. Want to debate evolution? Post here. Want to debatw something else? Make abother debate
You've always been a jerk with me, as if finding fault with me makes you as good or better than me as if that's good enough to keep you out of Hell. You nitpick on my personality and character because you hate the message of needing to be saved from Hell or being lost to it forever. You want a nicey nice land of grey areas, a la la land where you can believe you excuse yourself from Hell. Try to hold on to it, enjoy it while you can, I hope the best for you.
The genome of a creature is programmed to respond to environmental changes within limits. That is not mutation, it is adaptation. The fact that a lot of people have developed dark skin does not mean they have evolved differently from idiots like you. The variations that express themselves are not additional DNA in the genome.
Your examples are not evolution. It's just smokescreens trying to hide the fact that you believe in evolution while you have never seen it happen and never will and can't show it happening. And what makes you think you have the right to exist outside of Hell anyways?
For examples in humans include stronger bones as in the case of LRP5 mutation; great flexibility in Marfan syndrome; higher pain tolerance due to variation of the gene MRC1; needed less sleep due to mutation in DEC2.
Which one of these are a response to environment changes?
Have you really had your head planted so firmly in the sand so long that you are unaware of data, observable facts of nature, which contradicts belief in evolution? If your are going to keep your head in the sand, you won't care what facts I show you. I will assume you prefer to keep your head in the dark loving the stink of your sin so it would be a waste of time for me to try to get you to pull your head out of the hole you have it in. Why don't you go find some of the facts yourself and then post them here, and then I will discuss them with you. If you are unwilling to get your head out of the stinking hole you have shoved it into, why should I bother trying to talk with you? You'll just throw a temper tantrum, as usual, and stick your head back in that hole, not caring that the bottom of your hole opens to the fire of Hell.
Well for one thing, you have never seen it happen and neither has anybody else. You believe it happened. The fact that there is no real evidence of evolution which can be seen contradicts belief in evolution, but you want to believe in evolution so go ahead and see if it keeps you out of Hell.
So.... where is your data exactly? I told you: all I would find in searching would be people saying that there isnt enough data to support evolution, which is exactly what youve just said.
No, what I said is that you are a jerk who really does not want your questions answered because it would prove you are a jerk who is not good enough to be in Heaven, and the only place you are fit for is the fire of Hell. To me, you are just an annoying jerk, and I really don't hold that against you because I am a sinner like you who has found God's mercy and I feel sorry for you as you keep justifying yourself. God sees you as a sinner and His wrath abides on you while He holds you back from being in Hell desiring that you enter into agreement with Him and repent of your sin and believe on the risen Savior so you can by the grace of God be saved from Hell.
But you wont' have it, will you? You won't have God's pardon, will you? You just want to show how good you are, don't you? You expect me to be impressed, and you expect God to be impressed with you? God is less impressed with you than I am. I really feel sorry for you and all the idiots on here who want to bury me.
Well with that admission, you need to obtain God's pardon and there is only one way, God's way, Jesus Christ. That's all I want you to know, that's all I care about getting through to you. That's all I'm here for, trying to tell you and others how they can be saved by God from dying eternally in Hell.
DNA is a combination of code that is not mathematically possible in even a small sense.
The creating of life is not possible without intelligent design.
Every law in science tells evolution is not possible.
The only ones who are foolish enough to buy it are basically science cooks. Take tomatoes sauce mozzarella and chicken and you can make chicken parmigian.
So we throw things together by some knowledge and intelligence, and we unite them with the helping hand of a science chef, and wow it happens to grow together.
So then let's pretend that can happen with no chef. And then call it evolution.
And ignore math and all other science principles because we want to insult the Creator with random nothingness, which I'm pretty sure would not be a wise thought in the end.
The development of such magnitude without the information to code each individual cell type to make up any species out of no information to begin with and get that right isn't mathematically reasonable, the odds are to the ridiculous.
Even virus and bacteria have initial sequencing, so the growth of mutations are based in the information already available in nature.
Like to cross a wolf with a dog, no one is doing anything that doesn't already exist in someway of compatability. Which I guess is kinds. But evolution is ridiculous. It takes a biological understanding and then creates mythological stories surrounding whatever they can find that fits. If it means ignoring somethings and twisting others the puzzle will at least look like it fits. But they don't raise many questionables for answers. Instead of seeking challenge of theory, they express only assurance of their answers. And where are the modern day mutations out of nothing. If it's possible then why don't we see other complicated animals forcing in an evolutionary style? Evolutionary style - without previous design input.
Or is it like hair dye, and stops processing after 25 minutes.
Evolution is laughably foolish if it weren't so incredibly sad!
"One of the most important proteins - perhaps the most important - is hemoglobin. It is responsible for both the red color of our blood and for the oxygen chemistry based on our breathing. TheTorah notes that "life is in the blood."4
The formula for hemoglobin is detailed in Figure 2:
In the chart there is only one specific sequence of the amino acids that is hemoglobin. Hemoglobinopathy occurs if even one amino acid is replaced; it is usually lethal. (Sickle cell anemia being but one example.)
Using the formula for alternate linear arrangements6of these amino acids indicates that there are about 10650 permutations possible, but only one of them is hemoglobin.
(The actual number is 7.4 x 10654. There are indications that some of the amino acid positions may be "neutral," like spaces, which are less significant. The current research indicates that these may be up to 10% of such positions, which would indicate that there are only 516 rather than 574 significant amino acid positions, in which case the specificity would reduce to 7.9 x 10503.)7
This is still a pretty good finite approximation for infinity! The likelihood of this specific sequence occurring by chance is clearly absurd.8
(In speculating about obtaining this precise sequence by 10500+ random trials, remember that there have been only about 1017 seconds in the generally accepted age of the universe, so you would have had to work rather quickly. Also, realize that there are only about 10 66 atoms in the universe, so you can't waste material on false tries!)
Think about it. It isn't just unlikely; it really is impossible. It was very skillfully designed. If you really want to be a skeptic, you need to practice like the Red Queen in Alice Through the Looking Glass , who said:
"I practice believing impossible things at least twice day...[check]"
It takes a lot of commitment to blindness and fallacies to be an atheist. There are, of course, no dead atheists (James 2:19)."
There are a few reasons for why that maths is illogical.. here's a couple:
1) It is not that amino acids were floating around and kept randomly resorting themselves... its rather than some amino acids formed more complex proteins, and some of these proteins form other proteins.. and each time they have developed features that make them more likely to react in a certain way that would reach the next step to eventually haemoglobin. The fact that your guy there didn't even attempt to deal with that issue shows that it shouldn't be taken seriously. To this guy it is just completely random. It is quite shocking how little people that argue against evolution understand it.
2) If there were a different sequence of amino acids that did not form hemoglobin, and instead molecule xyz was formed, or molecule abc, or molecule 3e23 etc etc, you would still be saying "waw that is amazing, it must be God.
If I rolled 20 dice and it came up 11111111111111111111 you would be amazed and saying it must be some form of magic I guess? But if it I had rolled 15426512352465235216 you would be more inclined to believe it were random. However, both sequences have the same probability of occurring. It is unfortunate side effect of our highly developed minds that we detects patterns where there aren't any, and thus assume there must be a sentient cause. There's (probably) not.
Oooh I just breathed out some air.. and the molecules dispersed in the most unique way. The specific combination of the trillions of degrees that atoms shot off at was so improbable. Waw! It must be God! ;)
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it.
This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence.
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places!
.....Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1: 1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
.
Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance.
3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures.
There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are
released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
Yeah but it's easy vendors more far fetched to consider the sequence would randomly result in one logical sequence producing intelligent life with intrigued design.
Now apply it to each cell sequence and method of duplicating, copying, error correcting, and working with mechanical precision, and there is no logical way to conclude evolution as a factual option.
Without design by intelligence, there would not be a result of order out of disorder!
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it.
This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence.
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places!
.....Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1: 1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
.
Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance.
3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures.
There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are
released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
Don't you find anything in the Bible curious enough to investigate?
Like this:
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1.
Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
.
The number of letters x the product of the letters
- - - ÷
The number of words x the product of the words
.
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
.
The number of letters x the product of the letters
If we lived in a digital simulation, are miracles possible by the author of its code?
Explain the principle of random. Does random actualy occur anywhere in nature, or in universe?
What is fictional in the Bible? Have you investigated it? Or is that an assumption?
Regarding miracles, if more is authenticated then not, and if some stories are found true, that are unlikely. Then are the miracles also possible?
My example is Joseph, the coat of many color.
It is not highly likely that a boy from the Hebrew tribe, would be sold by his brothers into slavery, then become the most exalted dignitary in Egypt.
Now, God did prophesy it to Joseph's great grandfather Abraham, along with the following 400 years of slavery.
So how does a boy beaten and sold end up a like a king in Egypt.
So was this coincidence? Without supernatural sequence of events? Two men rose up in foreign nations by interpreting dreams and visions.
Both of these men went through a series of conspiracies, persecution, unjustifiable imprisonment, to being elevated to the highest court. Joseph and then also Daniel.
But looking at Joseph, archeological finds have uncovered a timeline confirming sequential consecutive events as told in the Bible.
So historically, whether the skeptics want to admit it or not, well the finds are just visibly obvious regardless.
It falls under not understanding math again, probability of finding each lined up in order like dominoes isn't statistically possible. But I guess math is subjective and individually deterministic just like truth, 😬
So they found signs of Joseph, and the famine, and Joseph's unusual exaltation in Egypt, and the migration of his family to Egypt then etc etc etc... see Pattern of Evidence - documentary
So if these things are real, are really they just coincidences?
And if they are just coincidences, then what is the probability of it occuring? And what is the probability of several coincidences of this magnitude of unusual occurring?
.
.
God invented math! Maybe that's why no one understands math anymore!
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1: 1 and John 1: 1.
Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places! Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1:1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e.
Curious!
Why does Israel and God's Word and Jesus divide huge significant effects to everyone in the entire world, a mid point in half, like God is the center of the entire world, even the universe?
The below shows something crazy, that in no way was in the hands of an old Jewish guy to control.
We all know Jesus is so part of the destiny of the world that even TIME is divided by the knowledge of Him - A.D. and B.C.
But this is found in the ancient texts hidden.
The world and languages go from reading left to right or right to left. Most written languages were in process of developing. Like time, written language is directed like a directors chair perched in Jerusalem.
All languages EAST of Jerusalem write Right to Left.
All languages WEST of Jerusalem write Left to Right.
We have this also - torh spelled reading in two directions in Hebrew. Backward and forward with YHWY in the middle.
Are There Hidden Codes in the Biblical Text?
The secrets of the Torah are revealed... in the
skipping of the letters.
Rabbi Moses Cordevaro, 16th century
Torah Codes
49 (72) letter sequences:
• Genesis TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Exodus TORH - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Leviticus ? YHWH in a 7 pattern, square root of 49
• Numbers HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
• Deuteronomy HROT - in Hebrew at a 49 letter interval pattern
So let's add that to my laundry list of sciences that combine to support evolution.
I also should have added geochemistry and thermodynamics.
Also all those sciences have combined to refute the possibility of many Bible stories.
Cracks me up....these biblical Literalists. They believe a collection of Bronze Age myths over 95% of professional scientists working in the areas of geology, biology, physics, Anthropology, Cosmology, geochemistry, and genetics.
The ancient Hebrew sages believed, of course, that God created the heavens and the earth. However, some of them believed that the Word of God was the very template with which He did it.
This strikes some of us as simply a colorful exaggeration that goes beyond any direct evidence.
There are hints here and there. There are two well-known references to the creation in the Scripture:
Genesis 1:1 and John 1:1. Let’s look “underneath” the text of each of these.
Genesis 1:1
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
In Hebrew:
Genesis 1:1 in Hebrew
If you examine the numerical values of each of the Hebrew letters, and the numerical value of the words (see chart), and apply them to this formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You get 3.1416 x 1017. The value of π to four decimal places!
.....Hmm.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
In Greek:
John 1: 1 in Greek
This time if you take the numerical value of each of the Greek letters (see chart), and the numerical value of the words, and apply them to the same formula:
The number of letters x the product of the letters
÷
The number of words x the product of the words
You now get 2.7183 x 1040, the value of e. Curious!
.
Significance?
Each of these is another of those puzzling ostensible “coincidences” that are too astonishing to dismiss, and yet present challenges in suggesting any real significance.
3 And taken together, they do evoke some conjectures.
There are, however, at least two problems: why just four decimal places (they both deviate from the fifth place onwards) and what do you do with all the “extra zeroes”?
Matt 11
25 At that time Jesus said, “I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.
26 Yes, Father, for this way was well-pleasing in Your sight.
27 All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
28 “Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light.”
Jesus calls chasing after the world a yoke. He compares His yoke, and says it is easy and restful. A yoke is a bar guided.
We all wear a yoke, we are all slaves, one yoke leads to adoption as children, the others never are
released from their yoke.
No certificate of freedom.
Your yoke determines if you will remain a slave to a cruel taskmaster or if you will be born again and be renewed daily till you see Him as He fully is, and are changed in a twinkling of an eye.
FYI, twinkling of an eye is a scientific term. It's the aperture of light through the pupil of the eye. It's a fraction of light and time in the lowest divisible form.
The Bible has more science in it then you can imagine!
It's interesting they used a knowledge they couldn't have scientifically defined or knew of.
The field of biology has now discovered it is restricted by the boundary conditions of the information sciences. Its historical love affair with Darwinism is now being shattered by advances in microbiology, highlighted by the disturbing revelations of Michael Denton, Philip Johnson, and Michael Behe, et al., revealing biology's apparent immunity to truth and reason.
But now the field of physics, too, is in turmoil. Quantum physics has resulted in the abandonment of causality, the cornerstone of empirical science. And whether we address the units of length, mass, or time, we discover that they are composed of indivisible units that ultimately cannot be divided without losing their "locality."
The more one knows about particle physics and quantum mechanics, the more provocative these "science fiction" episodes become. Indeed, it was Dr. Albert Einstein that admitted,
People like us, who believe in physics, know that the distinction between the past, present, and the future is only a stubbornly persistent illusion.
And as physics goes, so too the entire field of cosmology. I believe it was Paul Davies who observed,
It is as if our entire universe is nothing more than a thought in the Mind of God.
The current genre of virtual reality films, while still retaining many of the moral deficiencies that have come to characterize the products of our entertainment industry, can still be provocative and useful in conceptualizing our present situation: we find ourselves in what can be accurately described as a digital simulation.
And transitions in and out of our space-time - from one "hyperspace" to another - is a potential rationalization of the more disturbing UFO reports and other apparent visits from dimensionalities other than our own.
It is also a way of conceptualizing the strangest transition of all: the harpazo, the "Great Snatch," which Paul alludes to in
1 Thessalonians 4:16 -18 and 1 Corinthians 15:50-53.
(A "twinkling of an eye" is not to be confused with a blink; at the speed of light passing through the retina, it is about 10-43 seconds - the very digital boundary of time itself.)
All those sciences (about 10 different disciplines) agree on Evolution
Correction: People who believe in evolution agree on evolution. Science is the study of nature by observation, evolution cannot be observed, all sciences support the Biblical description of life and reality much easier than evolution. You do not have to deny any observable facts of nature or life to support the Biblical view of reality. You have to ignore a lot of scientific facts to uphold evolutionary beliefs.
If you go to bed and there is no snow on the ground but wake up the next morning and there is two feet of snow on the ground you can rightfully claim that it snowed overnight.
Without having to be have seen the snow falling.
Same deal with Evolution.
We have so much evidence with DNA and fossils and the hundreds of different forms of radiometric dating that we can rightfully say Evolution occurred without having seen it.
And with the snow thing, one comes to the right conclusion without performing any if the millions if tests we have for decades regarding the veracity if evolution! Yet...the claim of snow during the night is true and value and goes unquestioned.
Except for maybe a few religious nuts who claim it did not snow due to currently understood meteorological methods, but that God did it.
snow on the ground proving it fell overnight is not the same as looking at a monkey next to an amoeba and claiming you see proof that the amoeba morphed into a monkey.
Your silly radiometric dating gives all kinds of different readings and any reading which is undesirable is ignored......and there is no way of knowing the circumstances of the environment were the same in the distant past.
All your garbage is subjective to your beliefs, it's not science and by rules of true science, the whole hypothesis of evolution should be abandoned...but you can't do that because you might have to think God rules over you and you won't get away with your sin.
God is in control, Slappy, like it or not. He can let the snow fall or He can withhold it. He can require your soul tonight or give you another day. You can curse Him and die and end up in Hell. Do it your way.
Before Darwin's book came out, the majority of the scientists believed in special creation. Who really made up the theory of evolution were the armchair philosophers who never even spent a second in a laboratory. Slowly the philosophers took over the scientists
Atheist David Berlinsky must be a fairytale... and of course anyone who challenges the theory is stripped of funding or kicked out of the field. Imagine if that were the science path years ago. The world would still be flat.
SlapShot gave the best explanation so far but basically science is a process of observations and theories based upon them. Evolutionary theory is based on many observations ranging from the fossil remains discovered to the differences and similarities of existing species of life forms.
For those of you who are religious I just want to point out that evolutionary theory is only a conflict with your religion if you rely on a strict literal interpretation of your religion's ancient literature, such as its fables of creation. There is no reason why a God who could make everything that exists could not also have made the process we observe and label as evolution, and if that's true then rejecting evolution would actually be a rejection of one part of what your God made.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would not be using "if" as the central point of your argument. What you allude to as "a God" is not God, it's a straw man which is easily shown to be ineffective in your life because the straw man God you invent is self-negated so it cannot be God. And it is you who is religious, fabricating your pride and beliefs to think you are justified for living when your dying proves you cannot possibly justify your life. Death is justice against your life and it is deserved justice. You think you can assert your right to live outside of Hell and you conduct yourself religiously in that pursuit....it's insanity, you are not living in reality, you are being religious and condemned to eternity outside of Heaven and you know where you are going though you do your best to fool yourself into denying it.
Telling you the fact that you are dying and on your way to Hell is only telling you a fact. You might want to go to a psychiatrist and tell him you are having problems with paranoia. Grenade.
Most people on this site, and in the USA as a whole, and even among the many denominations of the Christian community, would say your behavior on this site hints YOU are the one needing a psychiatrist.
I don't care about your opinion of many people on this site. You have always been punky toward me, you hate God and you won't believe you deserve to die and burn in Hell untill you wake up in the fire, and that's dumb.
1) A good test of whether or not someone's ideas are way out there is whether the people around them think they've gone too far. When they start ignoring what the world around them thinks that's when they're at risk to go off the deep end and drown their kids for being demons or shoot up a movie theatre. Don't ignore the advice and feedback of the world around you.
2) It baffles me why you think someone disagreeing with you on a debate website must be a punk. If you don't want to debate then don't come to a place to debate. And the text I've written to you each and every time has been appropriate debate rhetoric. You and I summarily disagree on religion. That is a fact. But my disagreeing with you on religion doesn't make me a punk. In fact to the contrary, automatically banning people routinely on your debates as well as insulting them at the moment you ban them is indeed the punk behavior.
3) Again with the burn in hell threat. That's all you've got. I reject that, not because I reject God, and not because I'm wicked, but because I reject peddling fear, I reject literal word for word acceptance of ancient texts, and because I reject closed mindedness. None of that puts me at odds with God, Ironically, embracing closed minded do as your told mentality is what allows groups like ISIS to get away with the horrors that they commit. I will not bow to your attempts to scare me, silence me, or shut down free thinking or free expression.
If you think the fire of Hell where you are going is a wolf, you probably think the sky is falling. Why do you pay any attention to anything I say? My message is consistent, and you won't believe unforgiven sinners must be confined in the fire of Hell until you wake up there. So why pay any attention to anything I say? Really, punk, I see no reason to try to reason with you since you think you are as good as God.
You cannot justify your life, insisting you are justified to live outside of Hell is in reality demanding God prove you wrong by leaving you in Hell.
The message is that God Himself came down from Heaven in the form of a man, the Son of God who died for the sins of the world, and rose from the dead to be the justification in life eternal of all who believe on Him, it's called the gospel, the good news from God, His offer of peace toward man.
You want to justify your own life, you think your own stinking opinion of yourself is going to keep you out of Hell, go ahead and see for yourself. You're a fool who thinks he's smarter than God and losing everything in death and bound to wake up in Hell if you won't repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.
By your own words, I have concluded that you will not believe you are on your way to Hell until you wake up in the fire so it's a waste of time for me to try to get you to wake up before it's too late. You're a hater I don't have time for.
Maybe you came from the uncle of an ape and maybe you look like a monkey......I have heard that they taught an ape to speak around 300 words in sign language, now I see they taught one to type. People really have done wonderful things, now they are teaching apes to type!
I find it interesting that there are some people who look at science as if science is doing something. From where I'm sitting science is simply trying to understand that which already exist assuming those involved get it right!
Especially in this day and age I do not bother to ascertain whether or not an unknown, unfamiliar creature has been discovered Why because as always when man gets involved one doesn't know what to expect so with mankind crossbreeding species that shouldn't be crossbred and now that he has access to gene splicing I have no doubt we are going to have and already had bazaar looking species. Of course with all the secret labs we have nobodies going to say where the species came from so were left to assume they must be from outer space or the era of dinosaur age hasn't left yet!
I do think evolution is science. There is quantifiable evidence for evolution and we can see it everywhere. However, the kind of evolution I am referring to is microevolution, not macro
