Is God/Jesus/Holy spirit real
All i can say is God is real and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell and if you do believe in him well happy after life in heaven.
:) Hope that one day you will all believe in jesus!
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All i can say is God is real and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell Based on that, I'll have to say yes. Is it wrong that I feel like a gun was put to my head when answering this? Come to think of it, a bullet in the brain would be much more preferable over an eternity in everlasting torture and misery, so I guess it doesn't really compare. /sarcasm Side: yes
well then, god is a really 'worship-thirsty' thing... if we don't praise him, we'll go to hell, and if we praise him, we'll go to heaven. that's so unfair... if god's real, how could u prove his 'adam n eve'? experts say that humans have existed since millions years ago... then why didn't the god come at that time? we know that he existed just about 2000 years ago... n for me, that's so unrealistic Side: No
Does a lighthouse by sending out a beacon and begging attention seem evil to you, God is the lighthouse sending out his beacon to the world in the hopes that he can save them from damnation. God wants people to worship him because he wants people to be happy and live for eternity. Side: yes
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That reminds me of a line from the The Big Bounce movie when Morgan Freeman Says:"God is just an imaginary friend for adults" yes we,humans, created every God that has ever existed.. and our mind created the hallucinations known as "miracles".. Humanity is now ready to leave its stupidity behind and move on.. Side: Of Course Not
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your funny but i can prove Santa clause, easter bunny and not really but sasquatch but ya the other two for sure are not real....... Santa is pretty much the distraction on what Christmas is all about and the easter bunny is another distraction from religion...... those are very made up things/characters, but Jesus Christ is a 100% true person that lived and died and the tomb was found empty those are all facts... God on the other hand alil harder to give facts about but a logical way to look at it is, you the atheists or whatever the naturalist believe that matter is your creator. me the Christian believes that God is the creator, what sounds more logical matter or a being/God that is smarter then all of us small humans? so the holy spirit is something that you will never truly understand unless you believe in God and that Jesus is the son of god and died for us, yes to an Atheist in this small argument that i have typed what i just said sounds crazy but if you put more thought in to religion and gave it an honest/consideration and it has to be Christianity because there is no such thing as more then one truth when it comes to creation there is only one truth and i believe that Jesus is the one truth. Watch the movie called Expelled by Ben stein and another movie called the Star of Bethlehem by the history channel and that may make you think more about life in general Side: yes
The argument against God is more psychological than scientific. The reverse is true also. But, according to Romans there is no excuse for any one to deny God. For one to deny God is to deny something that one knows is true in the deepest fibers of one's being. Why? Because God Himself has revealed enough of Himself so that there is no excuse. Atheists know God well enough to hate God. Side: yes
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There is a big difference between hate and not believing or accepting. I'm not an Atheist, but I don't believe in your God or your Religion. I demand strong evidence rather than believing in ancient myths and legends. What is God? or Define God. A christian would say that God is the only Supreme Being who is unchanging, eternal, holy, and Trinitarian in nature. He alone possesses the attributes of omniscience, omnipresence, and omnipotence. He alone brought the universe into existence by the exertion of His will. I would say, that is not an argument of any kind, just a statement of your personal beliefs! Side: No
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An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the problem Science has with God. He asked one of his new Christian students to stand. Professor: You are a Christian, aren’t you, son? Student: Yes, sir. Professor: So, you believe in God? Student: Absolutely, sir. Professor: Is God good? Student: Sure. Professor: My brother died of cancer, even though he prayed to God to heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But God didn’t. How is God good, then? Hmm? (Student was silent) Professor: You can’t answer, can you? Let’s start again, young fella. Is God good? Student: Yes. Professor: Is Satan good? Student: No. Professor: Where does Satan come from? Student: From.. God. Professor: That’s right. Tell me son, is there evil in this world? Student: Yes. Professor: Evil is everywhere, isn’t it? And God did make everything. Correct? Student: Yes. Professor: So who created evil? (Student didn’t answer) Professor: Is there sickness? Immortality? Hatred? Ugliness? All these terrible things exist in the world, don’t they? Student: Yes, sir. Professor: So, who created them? (Student had no answer) Professor: Science says you have 5 senses you use to identify and observe the world around you. Tell me, son.. have you ever seen God? Student: No, sir. Professor: Tell us if you have ever heard your God. Student: No, sir. Professor: Have you ever felt your God, tasted your God, smelt your God? Have you ever had any sensory perception of God, for that matter? Student: No, sir. I’m afraid I haven’t. Professor: Yet you still believe in Him? Student: Yes. Professor: According to empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol, Science says your God doesn’t exist. What do you say to that, son? Student: Nothing. I only have my Faith. Professor: Yes, Faith. And that is the problem Science has. Student: Professor, is there such a thing as Heat? Professor: Yes. Student: And is there such a thing as Cold? Professor: Yes. Student: No, sir, there isn’t. (The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events) Student: Sir, you can have lots of heat, even more heat, superheat, mega heat, white heat, a little heat or no heat. But we don’t have anything called cold. We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is no heat, but we can’t go any further after that. There is no such thing as cold. Cold is only a word we use to describe the absence of Heat. We cannot measure cold. Heat is energy. Cold is not the opposite of heat, sir, just the absence of it. (There was a pon-drop silence in the Lecture Theatre) Student: What about darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as darkness? Professor: Yes. What is night if there isn’t darkness? Student: You’re wrong again, sir. Darkness is the absence of something. You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light… But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and it’s called Darkness, isn’t it? In reality, darkness isn’t. If it is, You would be able to make darkness darker, wouldn’t you? Professor: So what is the point you are making, young man? Student: Sir, my point is, your Philosophical Premise is flawed. Professor: Flawed? Can you explain how? Student: Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a good God and a bad God. You are viewing the concept of God as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can’t even explain a thought. It uses electricity and magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view death as the opposite of life is to be ignorant of the fact that death cannot exist as a substantive thing. Death is not the opposite of life, just the absence of it. Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your students that they evolved from a monkey? Professor: If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes of course, I do. Student: Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir? (The professor shook his head with a smile, beginning to realize where the argument was going) Student: Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and cannot even prove that this process is an on-going endeavor, are you not teaching your opinion, sir? Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher? (The class was in uproar) Student: Is there anyone in the class who has ever seen the Professor’s brain? (The class broke out into laughter) Student: Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor’s brain, felt it, touched or smelt it? .. No one appears to have done so. So, according to the established Rules of Empirical, Stable and Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that you have no brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then trust your lectures? (The room was silent. The Professor stared at the student, his face unfathomable) Professor: I guess you’ll have to take them on Faith, son. Student: That is it, sir.. exactly! The link between man and God is Faith. That is all that keeps things alive and moving! --------------------------------------- That student was Albert Einstein. Brilliant. Side: yes
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Ref.: Subtle is the Lord … by Abraham Pais Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." So Einstein once wrote to explain his personal creed: "A religious person is devout in the sense that he has no doubt of the significance of those super-personal objects and goals which neither require nor are capable of rational foundation." His was not a life of prayer and worship. Yet he lived by a deep faith — a faith not capabIe of rational foundation — that there are laws of Nature to be discovered. His lifelong pursuit was to discover them. His realism and his optimism are illuminated by his remark: "Subtle is the Lord, but malicious He is not"("Raffiniert ist der Herrgott aber boshaft ist er nicht."). When asked by a colleague what he meant by that, he replied: "Nature hides her secret because of her essential loftiness, but not by means of ruse." ("Die Natur verbirgt ihr Geheimnis durch die Erhabenheit ihres Wesens, aber nicht durch List.") Side: No
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Source for the Spinoza Reference: I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals Himself in the orderly harmony of what exists, not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings. The quotation above may be Einstein's most familiar statement of his beliefs. These words are frequently quoted, but a citation is seldom given. The quotation can be found in Albert Einstein: Philosopher-Scientist edited by Paul Arthur Schilpp (The Open Court Publishing Co., La Salle, Illinois, Third Edition, 1970) pp. 659 - 660. There the source is given as the New York Times, 25 April 1929, p. 60, col. 4. Ronald W. Clark (pp. 413-414) gives a detailed account of the origin of Einstein's statement:
While the argument over his birthday present had been going on, the theory of relativity had been used to pull him into a religious controversy from which there emerged one of his much-quoted statements of faith. It began when Cardinal O'Connell of Boston, who had attacked Einstein's General Theory on previous occasions, told a group of Catholics that it "cloaked the ghastly apparition of atheism" and "befogged speculation, producing universal doubt about God and His Creation." Einstein, who had often reiterated his remark of 1921 to Archbishop Davidson-"It makes no difference. It is purely abstract science"-was at first uninterested. Then, on April 24, Rabbi Herbert Goldstein of the Institutional Synagogue, New York, faced Einstein with the simple five-word cablegram: "Do you believe in God?" "I believe in Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the orderly harmony of what exists," he replied, "not in a God who concerns himself with fates and actions of human beings." Side: No
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There is no empirical test that we can do to prove this one way or another. We must understand that religious subjects are subjective, not objective. Objective things, we can test scientifically and show results. Subjective things are personal. Experiences are subjective. Does that make our experiences any less real? Not necessarily. It is simply important to distinguish between what can and can't be objectively proven. Side: We Simply Don't Know
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Interesting point. However, in philosophy, when a proposition or statement is said to be "objectively true", other than the conclusion being logically valid (i.e. 1) the premises are true and 2) the premises logically lead to the conclusion), the conclusion must also be "mind-independent". What philosophers mean by this is that these truth conditions are not met by the judgement of a conscious entity or being. Side: No
Those words you used have meaning, are commonly used, and perhaps misused. They exist (are real) at least as terms, so this gives us a starting point for discussion. The meaning of these words however are interpreted differently by people of differing dispositions. If you want to have a conversation about god/jesus/holyspirit with someone, it helps to explain what these words mean to you. Otherwise discussion is practically guaranteed to be pointless. :) Hope that one day you will all believe in jesus! What does that mean? Do you hope we will all someday believe that Jesus existed? Or is there somethings you hope we will all someday believe about Jesus? All i can say is God is real and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell and if you do believe in him well happy after life in heaven. That's a lie (you shouldn't lie) which would be quite easy to plainly expose. Perhaps you would be willing to say more if you really believed that this "holy spirit" was using you as a tool. I think you are ashamed and/or afraid to expose your beliefs to deep scrutiny. :) Side: yes
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Hope that you become a believer. Just knowing who Jesus was is not the same as accepting HIm as your Savior. Big difference. About the Holy Spirit.....He indwells those who have accepted Christ. So if you are not a believer you can not have the Holy Spirit...therefore you can only have head knowledge of the Bible not heart knowledge. Who is the Holy Spirit? Billy Graham once said that he needed Jesus Christ for his eternal life and the Holy Spirit for his internal life. So if you beleive in Christ this internal power is available to you. No one can claim it or use it without first knowing where it came from and Jesus promised the Holy Spirit to beleivers. John 16:5 says that Jesus would send a helper to us. Jesus promised this. We beleivers are NEVER left alone. Acts 2:38 says,“Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit." Why would he give us something that is not real? You know atypican...you can ask me anything about my faith that you want to ask. I do not know all the answers like some nonbeleivers seem to think they have...but I will do my best to answer anything concerning my faith. I am not ashamed that I am a beleiver...I am a Jesus freak...his slave....his child and I am proud of that fact. Side: No
So let's talk about what it means to be a believer. Firstly I won't make a statement that doesn't make sense to me. Can you respect and understand why I have made this rule for myself? Have you anything to say about that? I'll tell you some of what I believe about Jesus. More if you care to dig by asking pointed questions. Do me the courtesy of answering the questions I ask and I'll respectfully reciprocate. That's how I roll. I'm not trying for an arrangement where you teach me or I teach you exclusively. You typed: "Just knowing who Jesus was is not the same as accepting HIm as your Savior." So do you think it's possible to know Jesus to be a savior and not accept him as such? That would be beyond idiotic don't you think? Akin to drowning with a flotation device right next to you that you refuse to grab. Human nature as I understand it doesn't work that way. If we know something or someone is able to save us we don't have any problem of acceptance. So consult the holy spirit you "accepters of christ" are fortunate enough to have living within you, and get back to me on that if you please. You also typed: "About the Holy Spirit.....He indwells those who have accepted Christ. So if you are not a believer you can not have the Holy Spirit.." Are you certain that accepting Jesus as your savior always precedes this "indwelling" of the holy spirit in someone? I have heard from some calvinist friends of mine that it's in the opposite order, and that should god decide someone's worth saving that he will use the holy spirit to prepare them to accept him. Regarding your repentance reference: I have some experience with the benefits that come along with not shying away from admitting that I played a part in wrongdoing. I would even be so bold as to say that if I could live as I would prefer, I would never cooperate with evil. (to paraphrase gandhi) My thinking however is that human nature is such that if people realized evil for what it is, no one would willingly participate in it's cultivation. Supposing that Jesus really said "forgive them father, for they know not what they do", I think he'd agree with me. You asked the question: "Why would he give us something that is not real?" I could give you a logical answer if I thought that giving something "not real" to someone was practical. Regarding your "I am a Jesus freak...his slave" comment: Speaking from a father's perspective, I feel comfortable telling you that a loving father doesn't want their child to be a slave to him, but rather to freely choose worthwhile behavior. A father's role is protector not a master. Comment on that if the spirit moves you. :) I appreciate your polite tone. I am one who is comfortable answering any questions about what I believe too. I'd like to dig as deep as possible and make improvements as soon as I am capable of recognizing the opportunity. I've asked you a few questions, tried to make a few provocative comments, and look forward to your prayerful response. Side: yes
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He is real! Oh really? So you have met your God have you? Prove he is real. Christianity has only been around in less than a blink of earth's history - and there have been thousands of religions before Christianity was even thought up, so why would your God be real and not the other ones? I think it's all a bunch of horse shit, but if God existed why would it be the Christian God when there have (as I said before) been thousands made up before him? And please don't say some stupid shit like "I know he is real because I've felt his presence!" No. When I was younger every Christmas I would feel Santa's presence, but does that make him real? No it doesn't. Your Bible also says the Earth is flat, the sun is smaller than the earth, AND the sun revolves around the earth. Also if you study the bible you will discover that God kills more people than Satan, so if God were real he would be a complete cunt. Either way you lose. God isn't real; the sooner you accept this the better the world will become. http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.com/ Side: No
Ok, for a start, why do we have the Bible? it is full of proof that Christ is real. Also, how come prophes were able to tell where Jesus was able to be born? Kinda hard to plan your own birth spot. How come in Psalms it says that we were 'knit together in our mother's womb' and scientists discovered that our skin is stitched together? Answer them and then I will give you more proof. Side: yes
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yyyyep! he was real, as was every other person claiming prophecy or being chosen both before and after Christ.. where was Christ 5 thousand 6 thousand years ago.. Jesus existed as a political leader who managed to "play it well", so some magic tricks, and convince simple people of his divinity.. that's the case with every other religion... why do we have the Bible? that triggers questions not answers... why do Hindus have their teachings?...why do Muslims have their Koran? why do we have hundreds of religions out there and they all claim to be right and every other religion to be wrong? here's what Britannica says about THE OLDEST RELIGION IN THE WORLD: Hinduism Oldest of the world's major religions. It evolved from the Vedic religion of ancient India. Though the various Hindu sects each rely on their own set of scriptures (see? they had scriptures), they all revere the ancient Vedas, which were brought to India by Aryan invaders after 1200 BC. The philosophical Vedic texts called the Upanishads explored the search for knowledge that would allow mankind to escape the cycle of reincarnation. Fundamental to Hinduism is the belief in a cosmic principle of ultimate reality called Brahman and its identity with the individual soul, or atman. All creatures go through a cycle of rebirth, or samsara, which can only be broken by spiritual self-realization, after which liberation, or moksha, is attained. The principle of karma determines a being's status within the cycle of rebirth. The greatest Hindu deities are Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva. The numerous other Hindu gods are mostly viewed as incarnations or epiphanies of the main deities, though some are survivors of the pre-Aryan era. The major sources of classical mythology are the Mahabharata (which includes the Bhagavadgita, the most important religious text of Hinduism), the Ramayana, and the Puranas. The hierarchical social structure of the caste system is important in Hinduism; it is supported by the principle of dharma. The major branches of Hinduism are Vaishnavism and Shaivism, each of which includes many different sects. In the 20th century Hinduism blended with Indian nationalism to become a powerful political force in Indian politics. © 2005 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
and then what about Buddhism: Religion and philosophy founded in northeastern India in the 5th century BC based on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, called the Buddha. One of the major world religions, Buddhism takes as its goal the escape from suffering and the cycle of rebirth and the attainment of nirvana, and it emphasizes meditation and the observance of moral precepts. The Buddha's teachings were transmitted orally by his disciples; during his lifetime he established the Buddhist monastic order (sangha). He adopted some ideas from the Hinduism of his time, notably the doctrine of karma, but also rejected many of its doctrines and all of its gods. Buddhism's main teachings are summarized in the Four Noble Truths, of which the fourth is the Eightfold Path. Buddhism's two major branches, Mahayana and Theravada, have developed distinctive practices and unique collections of canonical texts. In India, the emperor Ashoka promoted Buddhism during the 3rd century BC, but it declined in succeeding centuries and was nearly extinct there by the 13th century. It spread south and flourished in Sri Lanka and Southeast Asia, and it moved through Central Asia and Tibet (see Tibetan Buddhism) to China, Korea, and Japan (see Pure Land Buddhism and Zen). In the early 21st century, the various traditions of Buddhism together had more than 350 MILLION followers. to me still bullshit.. religions, Gods, heaven, hell, reincarnation, Brahma, Nirvana, Allah, Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Mesopotamian mythology, Assyrian mythology, Mayan mythology, knives, spoons,computers, shoes.. (and the list goes on and on) are ALL human inventions.. they were made for fun, recreation, mass mobilization, and political gain.. among other reasons.. Side: Of Course Not
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ya, there was a guy, yes, in the 21st century, who couldn't walk for i don't know how long. But he kept going to church anyways. then one day, while he was watching a religious special, he got up and walked. it's documented, it's on his medical record that he was not able to walk, but if you meet him now, he can. explain that science. Side: yes
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can science explain where everything came from? Everything? That's a lot of questions. Try being more specific. One of the only origin stories we haven't figured out is where the energy for the big bang came from. Oh no! Science, which still hasn't cured AIDS, can't figure out the most distant and difficult question a person can ask!!! You don't seriously believe that science can be held accountable for not knowing the answer to everything, do you? out of nothing? that goes against your own rules you hypocrites. Do you know of a scientist who claims that things come out of nothing? Because I don't, although I will admit that certain quantum physicists appear to have observed this very occurrence. Side: No
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Bohemian correct me if I am wrong, but I distinctly remember you saying that an "Effect cannot be proof of it's own cause." And that is why creation cannot prove a creator, and yet recently I was contemplating the Big Bang theory and I realized that the theory is based on effects proving the cause. The fact that earth's galaxies are spreading away from each other in a pattern consistent to an explosion, an effect being proof for it's own cause. Side: yes
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I agree with you! As a Christian i firmly believe God is real. God, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up three persons called Trinity. They do not work against each other they work together. They are not separate entities and one may say how can they be 3 different persons that work together? It doesn't mean one is higher than the other, so God is not higher than Jesus and vice versa. All these ignorant people i feel sorry for. Darwin or no evolution can explain how this earth came into existence. There must have been a higher being. I don't care what anyone have to say, unless someone can prove there's no God i will forever pray to Jehovah Jireh, Prince of peace, Emanuel, Lily of the valley... This country was founded on Godly principles and values, if you check the speeches made by George Washington and past presidents they believed in the true and living God. But somewhere down the road those principles were watered down and thrown out the window. Why you think there's so many natural disasters and things going on? The hands of time are at hand and the true and living God is going to pour out his wrath. But we can stay here and argue all we want. I guess at the end of this life we'll all know. So those who said no, enjoy hell, hope the fire is hot enough! i rest my case. Side: yes
I agree with you! As a Christian i firmly believe God is real. God, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up three persons called Trinity. They do not work against each other they work together. They are not separate entities and one may say how can they be 3 different persons that work together? It doesn't mean one is higher than the other, so God is not higher than Jesus and vice versa. If I described in detail that I as a Zugaboogalala firmly believe with all my heart that flying spider monkeys created the earth out of unicorn dreams and ferret fur, would that be a legitimate argument do you believe? All these ignorant people i feel sorry for. lmao. Please, reserve your sorrow. I have a sneaking suspicion you may be the ignorant one... Darwin or no evolution can explain how this earth came into existence. Ah, there it is. We in fact can explain in great detail nearly every pound of mass in the entire universe down to something like a millionth of a second before the Big Bang. And crediting a god with that millionth of a second not yet figured out creates more questions than it answers such as... okay than where'd god come from; to which you'll say "he always was" to which I would say if a god could have simply "always been" why than not matter? In fact it would be easier for matter, being that matter would not require the advanced combination of atoms required to create intelligence... all things fair, a bunch of "stuff" or matter having always existed is far more likely than an intelligent evolved being having simply always existed. I don't care what anyone have to say, unless someone can prove there's no God i will forever pray to Jehovah Jireh, Prince of peace, Emanuel, Lily of the valley... That begs the question why are you debating. While proving an negative is impossible as in "I don't care what anyone says, unless you can prove there is no such thing as unicorns I'm going to keep believing in them" I can prove that the classic infinite-all-everything type god you believe in cannot exist pretty easily because it is self-contradicting. If he was all knowing he could beat himself at chess, which would mean he's not all knowing having lost, which would mean he's not all knowing given he can't beat himself at chess, etc. Or that creating a rock so massive he himself cannot move conundrum. This country was founded on Godly principles and values, if you check the speeches made by George Washington and past presidents they believed in the true and living God. No, it was founded with religious freedom, which is to say freedom from a specific religion having in some part fled theastic governments in Europe. "The Maker" "A Creator" etc. was terminology regularly used by deists to mean some "thing" greater but no specific "god". Most of the founders were deists of the time which is more closely related to agnostics and atheists today. That they were religious in large part was a propaganda scheme started by christians some decades ago, but has no basis in reality. In fact even the minority of the particularly religious of the founders all agreed that government should remain in all things separate from any religion. You have fallen for some pretty bold and easily disproven lies. In fact, it was not until the mid 1950's that anything about god began infiltrating government. Much to this country's shame I must say considering the original intent. Why you think there's so many natural disasters and things going on? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! wait, let me read that again... LMAO! wow, you're a fucking idiot. So those who said no, enjoy hell, hope the fire is hot enough! i rest my case. Any god who would create a hell is a complete ass and not worthy of worship no matter how powerful. Luckily this horrible being does not exist though so you can sleep easy. Side: No
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"A wise man proportions his belief to the evidence." David Hume Where is your evidence that God is real? Listed below are the top four reasons why I rejects Christianity: 1. God's silence 2. God's inactivity 3. Lackof evidence 4. The overt conflict between discovered reality and Christian theory The traditional concept of Hell does NOT come from the inspired Hebrew or Greek manuscripts. It is a pagan myth adopted as Christian doctrine in the third century by church fathers. Yet, then as now, innocent people are taught the traditional concept of Hell by trusted authority figures. That trust deters questions, so for hundreds of years the myth has perpetuated. Side: No
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I agree 100% with everything you said in your post...it was wonderful. I too feel sorry for these folks...they mock and they throw out demeaning things about God and Christ...they take pot shots at believers.... but the thing is....they can't ever take what we have away from us and we need to keep people like this in our prayers. They have no idea what is instore for them. Today it is a joke.....but eternity is a long long time something we can't as human beings ever imagine. I am like you....the natural disasters are biblical and everything that is happening is scriptural. If these people read the Bible they would know...natural disasters, what is happening to Israel....all of it. They think if there is a God he is only about love. Yes God is about love because he sent Christ to die for us...but he is a God also of Wrath and He will like you said pour out His Wrath on everything living. At the end of everyones life they will know the truth. And that truth is irreversable...these people will get on their knees but it will not make one ounce of difference to God. They will spend eternity thinking about all the times and chances they had to love and accept God. Side: yes
As a Christian i firmly believe God is real. Fair enough. However.... God, Jesus, and the holy spirit make up three persons called Trinity. They do not work against each other they work together. They are not separate entities and one may say how can they be 3 different persons that work together? It doesn't mean one is higher than the other, so God is not higher than Jesus and vice versa. This is not an intrinsic aspect of Christianity. Biblical scholars since the earliest days of the Church have disputed this interpretation, and not all modern Christians believe in this approach. So my question is why you are so certain about this arrangement of the Trinity? All these ignorant people i feel sorry for. I have similar views on ignorance. Darwin or no evolution can explain how this earth came into existence. I assume you meant to say can't instead of can. And sure, the Theory of Evolution does not explain the origin of the Earth. It was never intended to. It is a biological concept meant to explain the diversity of life on this planet. Trying to use it to explain the origin of the Earth is like trying to use plumber's tools to fix a laptop. The Nebular hypothesis, heavily supported by observations in astrophysics, is the most commonly accepted model regarding the formation of our Solar System and Earth. What was that you were saying about ignorance? There must have been a higher being. Why? I don't care what anyone have to say, unless someone can prove there's no God... Proving a negative has long been understood to be logically impossible. This is particularly true in the case of a subject that has no measurable qualities or mass, such as God. However, in such a case, the default should not be that "it exists until proven otherwise." If this approach is taken then you now have to believe in everything that has ever been reported to be true, from tooth fairies, to ghosts, to trolls, to every other God of every other pantheon to ever exist. A more logical and useful approach is one of skepticism regarding the existence of a claim until that claim can be proven. Of course you don't care what anyone has to say, so you apparently enjoy your willful ignorance. This country was founded on Godly principles and values, if you check the speeches made by George Washington and past presidents they believed in the true and living God. Interestingly, in the vast collection of letters that Washington wrote and still exist today, he never once mentioned Jesus Christ. He did speak of religion (though not specifically Christianity unless he was addressing devout Christians) as a stabilizing force and grounds for morality, but he seemed to view it as more a psychological and political thing than a truly supernatural thing. However, he also realized that it could be a source of misery if we aren't careful: "Religious controversies are always productive of more acrimony and irreconcilable hatreds than those which spring from any other cause. Of all the animosities which have existed among mankind, those which are caused by the difference of sentiments in religion appear to be the most inveterate and distressing, and ought most to be depreciated. I was in hopes that the enlightened and liberal policy, which has marked the present age, would at least have reconciled Christians of every denomination so far that we should never again see the religious disputes carried to such a pitch as to endanger the peace of society." -George Washington, letter to Edward Newenham, 1792. And just about every other founding father and early president has some not-so-nice things to say about religious fervor and its place in politics. Also, if this country was founded on "Godly principles and values", why is God, Christ and Christianity in general never once mentioned in the Constitution? Why is the only mention of religion at all found in an AMENDMENT that guarantees freedom of AND from religion? Why aren't all the ten commandments federal laws? And if the religiosity is being water down, why was "In God We Trust" absent on our currency for the first hundred plus years of our nation's existence, why were the numbers of Americans who believed in evolution higher in the 70s than they are now? You really have no right to call other people ignorant. Why you think there's so many natural disasters and things going on? Try learning a little about meteorology and geology....and history. So those who said no, enjoy hell, hope the fire is hot enough! I was not aware that a true Christian was supposed to enjoy another person's suffering. You sound like a third grader on a playground, not a pious individual. i rest my case. Very poorly... Side: No
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All i can say is God is real and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell and if you do believe in him well happy after life in heaven. Is it really that simple? If I do believe then I can be a horrible person... I can rape, steal and murder but because I believe... I'll go to heaven? And what about Hell anyway? Who says it's so bad? Satan seems like he just wants to have a good time to me... maybe it will be fun? Side: No
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Hell a bad place? Where did you get this discription of hell that it is a fun place? I just find it so funny that all these athiests continually entertain the idea of God. And who said that there will not be punishment for actions if you are a believer? The fact is Satan knows he can't win. He wants YOU to do down with him. About eternity and hell.... Either you will end up in heaven or hell. Daniel 12:2-3, Matt 25:46, John 5:28, Rev 20:14-15 You only have one life to make up your mind. Heb 9:27 “It is appointed unto men once to die and after that the judgment” How does one save themselves? The only way is by faith in Christ. John 3:16, 36 Who was hell designed for? Originally for Satan and his gang. Matt 25:41 and Rev 20:10 Who will go to hell? Unbelievers who reject Christ. Matthew 13:41, 50. Rev 20:11-15, 21:8. Here we go. What is hell like? It is conscious torment, eternal and irreversable. Matthew 13:50 “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth." Mark 9:48 “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched” Revelation 14:10 “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone” Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night” Revelation 20:14 “This is the second death, the lake of fire” Revelation 20:15 “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire” Is hell bad? You tell me. Can you just go kill and figure that cause you believe in Christ ya got it covered. Not so fast.... Christ knows what is in your heart...so anything you think you can hide you can't. He know who is a true believer and who is NOT. There are picture perfect people who will not go...and there are once evil people who have come to know the truth and who have had a conversion of the HEART AND REPENTED. One who loves Christ who has come to Him would not make it a pattern in their life and go out and do the things you say could happen....rape, steal etc. With the acceptance of Christ comes the Holy Spirit. Side: yes
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If you know any history at all and call yourself a Christian you should know when the Bible was established, and Christianity had power, Christians tortured and murdered those who doubted or disagreed with their Bible. Whenever Christians lose the power to persecute, they slander and call "immoral" those they can no longer persecute. And yet Christians call the Bible "the word of God," and themselves "moral"!! Growing up as a Christian the very thought that there could be a lie in the Bible was revolting to me, just as it would be to any believing Christian. I had been taught that the Bible was the word of God. I had been taught to believe--to believe blindly and to worship without question. There appears to be quite a few self- contradictions in the Bible, some people say they cannot find even one. All I can do at this time is to point out a few, of the many, that seem contradictory to me. I will begin with the first commandment that God gave to man; the one that no fundamentalist Christian has ever broken. Genesis 2: verses 16-17 reads: "And the Lord God, commanded the man, saying "of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: (17) But of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die." According to the Bible, the man, Adam, did not die in the day that he ate from the forbidden tree. For the Bible says that Adam and Eve were expelled from the garden and; Genesis 5: verse 5 reads: "And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years; and he died." But, as I understand the Bible, there is yet another contradiction to Genesis 2: verse 16-17. In Genesis 3: verse 22-23 God seems to be talking to some other Gods and I read it to say: (22) "And the Lord God said, behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil--lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever; (23) therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden to till the ground from whence he was taken." In Genesis 2:16-17, God said "of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat but of the tree of knowledge." Now, in Genesis 3:22-23 we find that there is yet another tree in the garden that was forbidden; the tree of life. As I read the Bible, it does appear that God's word cannot be relied upon as in this, apparent, contradiction: Exodus 33: verse 20, God is said to have said: "Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." Exodus 33: verse 11 reads: "And the Lord spoke unto Moses face to face, as a man speakest unto his friend." That seems like a self-contradiction to me, but as I have said, the Bible is obviously incomprehensible, and you may not see anything strange at all. I could spend the rest of the day giving contradictions that are to be found in the Old Testament, so I must skip over the rest. Let me point out, that ones belief in Christianity and other religions has caused untold suffering in the world. Our history is filled with Christian/religious wars, persecutions, torture, burning, and hate that no gentle and kind person would call himself a Christian if they really knew the truth of Christian history. Side: No
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As for hell well it is a horrible place for it was created by Satan. Hell was created by God, as was Satan. If you think it will be fun well go on die and as soon as you go to hell you will wish that you had believed in god. So what if I were from a different religion and did not believe in the God of the bible would I still go to hell. In hell you are separated from your family, you will suffer misery for the rest of you life! I would have assumed your life was over if you were in hell. God is real and i feel sorry for you if you don't believe in him. Are you willing to provide some sort of verifiable proof of this reality, if not, do you understand the nature of debate? Well you are interpreting it wrong read it better, understand what God is really saying. Why is he interpreting it wrong? Why would the word of a perfect being need any interpretation? People please just go to church once, just read the bible once! One day you WILL be sorry I've been to church many times and have probably read the bible more than most Christians. Jesus died on the cross for you! He gave you a choice don't waste it! Pray to god! What choice had the people before Jesus died on the cross?Surely an all-loving God loves all. Dear Lord, Please bless those who follow you. Help them through the tough times ahead. I pray with all my heart with all my soul for all of the people out there who haven't found you yet. Turn their black stone hard hearts to you make them pure gold for you! lord you gave your life for us and that is the greatest gift ever! Lord thank you for everything you have done and everything you will do! You are aware that this is a debate forum? Now let me start on your video,besides being emotional drivel, I take it, it's meant to be an analogy of the sacrifice God supposedly "made" for us, it is a bad one. The man in the video had to make a last minute choice, this is something God has never had to do, the situation in this video is one of an accident, something I'm sure the sacrifice of Jesus was not. God made Jesus so he could sacrifice him, there can be no other reason, a man does not make a son so he can sacrifice him. If God knows all and is eternal, then he knew before creating all, how everything would play out, he had to, he's all-knowing, surely God would have been happy that Jesus was slaughtered, for he designed it to be just so. Jesus went to the cross knowing his faith, the boy did not. I'd like to ask you what you think the outcome for humanity would have been had God not sent Jesus down and purposelessly slaughtered him? Also why was it so necessary for Jesus to die in such a brutal manner? Side: No
Humans have been around for hundreds of thousands of years. Christianity wasn't made up until 1700 or 1800 years ago. At best god has come late to the party. Combine this with not a surviving word of Jesus has ever been found from when he supposedly lived, that it is eerily similar in every way to the book of the dead, that the bible itself is riddled with contradictions, and that frankly the christian god acts absolutely nothing like a truly all-powerful all-knowing good being would act according to nearly every word written about him, I find it highly unlikely. Like, Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter is equally believable. Side: No
Actually you got your facts wrong Christanity was finally came when Jesus Christ was living and telling people how to live a Christian life. Do you have proof that there are contridictions in the Bible? Do you have proof that the Christian God acts have absoulutely nothing like a truly all powerful all knowing good being? Side: yes
Actually you got your facts wrong Christanity was finally came when Jesus Christ was living and telling people how to live a Christian life. Not a word about this supposed messiah was recorded until between 200 and 300 years after he supposedly was crucified. The oldest version of the New Testament are Mark and an unknown source referred to as 'O' - at least that was the name it was given in my courses, these are the oldest, dating back to 1700 or 1800 years ago. Mathew Luke and John were compiled using these two sources as reference, some time later. There is not a single word of Jesus from any document anywhere from anytime before then. This is specifically odd because there are a lot of surving accounts from the time, which would at least in passing mention some religious revolution going on or a specific crucifixtion of a religious leader like this Jesus. Do you have proof that there are contridictions in the Bible? http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ Read, learn, grow. Do you have proof that the Christian God acts have absoulutely nothing like a truly all powerful all knowing good being? I nor anyone has any proof of the Christian God doing anything ever. I do have proof that the Bible portrays this being as petty and vengeful, it's called the Old Testament. Side: No
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If God is a God of goodness......wouldn't it make sense that the evil in the world should be punished? How could even a God of love......allow evil to win? So the God in your book if there was one of course.....LOL would be good and even reward evil? What do you mean Jesus was not found? Are you denying the man existed? History confirms, even secular historians confirm He lived. I mean what would you know of the Bible? Side: yes
If God is a God of goodness......wouldn't it make sense that the evil in the world should be punished? How could even a God of love......allow evil to win? So the God in your book if there was one of course.....LOL would be good and even reward evil? To an all powerful all knowing being a single human would be incapable of enough evil to merit eternal suffering. It would be like me torturing an ant for all eternity. If if the ant should bite me, or apparently worse by christian standards, not believe in me, morally torturing it forever is not justifiable. You really really must have a very low IQ if you do not see the hypocrisy of one creating "evil" knowing (being all knowing) what "evil" will do, doing nothing to stop this "evil" than coming up with some Medival torture for this "evil" he himself has created. What do you mean Jesus was not found? Are you denying the man existed? Yes, that is exactly what I mean, read my reply to the learning disabled individual above you. History confirms, even secular historians confirm He lived. They do not. Christians put together scientific looking documentaries, thesis, youtube videos, etc. that ignore all evidence to the contrary whilst also exaggerating "evidence" they claim to have. None truly exists though. It's propoganda much like the abortion junk you keep linking on the other debate. I mean what would you know of the Bible? You'd be surprised actually. Not that it matters how much I know about a work of fiction. Side: No
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The religion and god concept was created as a means to control the mass population. Religious and god fearing humans need to realize that they are slaves to their religion and god? Obedience without knowledge is slavery. Religion was designed to focus the people's attention and energy on a single, unchanging, uncompromising and invisible supreme being who allegedly created an inferior human race just for some extra companionship and love for himself and then imposed a set of oppressive and in some cases arbitrary rules on them, which if broken would be met with unimaginable punishment. Wake up! Religion and God does not own you. The Bible says, "Thou shalt not eat of the Tree of Knowledge". I say, "Who's hungry?" When we don't have religion and a god to tell us what to do, we have to do the hard work and figure it out for ourselves. Do you understand how allowing others to direct your thinking and your actions produce conflict within yourself? Unfortunately most humans desire to be part of a group is far stronger than logic and most will sacrifice logic for social acceptance. Almost all religions are fiction based and require you to accept and believe on "faith" without question that their premise for existing is true. A believer is a person of blind faith. This is a generic term that references members of all faith-based religions. It includes Christians, Muslims, and Jews, all of them. The term Believer refers to people who believe in something without a scientific or logical basis. They accept doctrine in an environment where questioning and scrutiny are either prohibited or discouraged. Someone who accepts information based on faith rather than facts and reason. The creation of religion and god is a power structure which feeds dogma to keep itself going financially as well as maintaining its power. Side: No
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I find your name interesting....silentseeker. What are you seeking? It is funny that even the most primitive tribes of the world have a belief in God and nothing was orchestrated. They know by looking at nature and all it offers and causes that someone had to create everything. Yes I am a slave in a sense. Jesus came as a servant to serve people...and I serve Him in many ways. I love to help those in need, give money (I am blessed to have some extra) do nice things for elderly people, especially people who have a lot less than I do. I believe that I am here to serve mankind in the most positive way. Why do I do this..? I do it because I love people. It breaks my heart to see people who are lonely and depressed over conditions they can't seem to pull themselves out of. I love to help people and I ask for nothing in return. Our church last week had a fall festival. We have a booth called...HELPING HANDS. We literally handed out cash and paid peoples bills. We as a church save every Sunday for a year to be able to do this. It helps the community...and shows them that we are there to help even our nonmembers. This is all probably to hard for you to grasp seeing you hate and make fun of the religious. You beleive what you want....but the fact is that you can not prove that there is no God. All you can simply say is that I HIGHLY DOUBT, I HAVE NOT SEEN PROOF IN MY LIFE BUT I JUST CANT SAY FOR SURE. The majority of mankind has believed in god...that puts you in the minority with those moral relativists who beleive that there is no right or wrong...that its the "me" that counts most. I find that an empty, sad, compassionless existance. When things get tough who do you cry out for? Yourself? The Wall? At night when people usually are the most depressed and alone....what do you seek to make you happy? Food? A pornographic show on your television set? When a family member is dying or sick? Do you pray? And if you plead with anyone who is it? Your name implies that you are a seeker......curious as to what you seek especially if you only believe in yourself and you know all there is to know in the universe? You have made a factual statement...there is no God people have made it all up....its basically a hoax. How did you obtain all the wealth of information you have especially to state that there is no God with 100% certainty? You must teach at Oxford you're so smart. Side: yes
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I will not stoop to your level with the name challenge Churchmouse. My name is irrelevant to this discussion and with that being said Churchmouse lets stick to the topic of debate or discussion. First, let’s consider God. Throughout history, humankind has sought God. Sought to find some proof, some indication, some hope that God is or might be, and that search goes on today. Humans seeks to find a trace of God in the vastness of eternal space, they seeks some indication throughout the far reaches of the universe within the very heart of nature itself that there is, or might be, some guiding intelligence however remote, that maybe that would, perhaps be God. They seeks, and continues to seek, a trace of God, but has not yet found that trace; and yet, while humans seek and searched in vain for a trace of God, human ignorance found God; or at least, believes it found God. Human ignorance not only found God, but also has direct knowledge as to what God said and did, what God wants, what God thinks, what God likes, and what God hates. The human ignorance that found God has nothing to do with religious believers today. God, or the illusion of God, was found long ago in the childhood of the human race. Human ignorance found God long before humanity found science, long before the wheel was invented, or fire was captured and became mans friend. In that bleak cold, dangerous world stood our ancestors. Humankind was in its infancy, struggling to understand the forces of nature, to escape its enemies, to feed itself, and to reproduce its kind. The human mind was emerging from the darkness of animal instincts into the beginnings of reason. Their only thought was Survival! It was a dangerous world with enemies, everywhere; and so Churchmouse ignorance created faith in the face of necessity; and God was born! This God that ignorance found, or formed, looks a great deal like a man. They tell us it has a face, hands, bowels, a foot (maybe two). They tell us it has nostrils and likes to smell the burnt offerings upon the primitive altar. This God, that ignorance found or formed, also has remarkably human desires and emotions. It hates, it loves, it feels anger, and it feels compassion. It has favorite individuals, and a chosen people. This God is definitely of the male sex, and has definite male tendencies. It is often angry, easily enraged, swears, destroys things, pouts, shouts, deceives, and often rests. The God that was found by a primitive and ignorant people some thousands of years ago, just happened to have the same world outlook, and the same beliefs about nature as the people who found him. This God thought the sun revolved around the earth, and that a day could be made longer by simply stopping the sun for a while. It is truly amazing, the number of similarities there are between the beliefs of God, and the beliefs of the people who discovered God. The story that I’ve told about the discovery of God is not unique. It has happened many times, and in many different places all over the world. Whenever primitive people needed a God, they have always found a God, tailor-made. It was their own God, and always resembled them a great deal. The God always had the same enemies and the same morals, as the people who found him, and many of those Gods were authors who wrote books. The very fact of this debate, or any debate about the Bible, is irrefutable proof that the Bible cannot be "the word of God." Why are you a slave to such a primitive superstition. Do not be afraid to think outside of the box, to question and to investigate. Set your minds free! Get up off your knees and stand upon your own two feet, raise your head, open your eyes and start to use your mind. The use of the human mind has raised us above all the other animals and has made us the master of the entire earth. The human mind and our ability to reason is the only hope we have of surviving in our modern, atomic, world. We must learn to use our minds. Once the mind is free, it will open up to reason. Churchmouse you implied that, because I do not share your viewpoint on God and religion that somehow makes me immoral. You truly are foolish, irrational, and delusional if you are attempting to attach human morals with religion. You also stated, “This is all probably to hard for you to grasp seeing you hate and make fun of the religious”. ” Please go back and reread my argument, I never attempted to make fun of anyone’s belief system. Also, I do not care about being in the minority; I am not depressed, and just because I do not share your view on God and religion does not mean that I am some evil and vile person, I truly understand the concept of suffering, and dying and I believe that is a topic to be debated. I am looking forward to your reply! Side: No
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To the Christians it is vitally important that people see Jesus as a historical figure. Jesus is the son of God and he was a man. That is the essence of their religion. Naturally, anything that casts doubt upon the historicity of Jesus they will take as an attack on themselves, on their most cherished beliefs, so you can expect them to pull any stunt to prove that Jesus was real. However, have they done enough to convince the open-minded skeptic? There is a huge gap at the heart of the Jesus story. There is not one single piece of archaeological, forensic or documentary evidence that shows Jesus was ever alive. There is plenty of evidence that people believed that there was a man named Jesus who was killed, but none that he was alive. By that, I mean nothing exists from the time of the supposed life of Jesus. No letters exist that mention Jesus the preacher or miracle worker. No Christian letters or diaries, no Jewish ones, no Greek ones, no Roman ones. Nobody wrote about a single aspect of his life while he was living it. Just think for a moment about what the man was supposed to have done. He was supposed to have had meetings with thousands of people. He was supposed to have cured people, even raised a man from the dead. He was supposed to have entered the city of Jerusalem at the head of a triumphal procession and yet nobody wrote anything about it at the time. Not books, not a diary, not a graffito, not even a sale or return catering order for loaves and fishes. Now I find this just a little hard to believe. Was Jesus a man or a myth? I don't know. I am unconvinced by both arguments. I find the constant Christian assertions that Jesus is as well attested to as any figure in history to be laughable. Nothing was recorded about Jesus the man until he was no longer a man, if he ever had been. Side: No
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Heaven isn't all it's cracked up to be anyway, I mean the food's good, but everything else is pretty shit. Although I do enjoy watching all those humans suffer. I mean, my Dad could easily stop all suffering and pain; but you know, he's a dick. Oh, and just to end the speculation - Yes, Obama is the antichrist. Side: No
I'm so ashamed to be the first one to answer this debate and be on the non-believers side, but I don't think the bible is all that nice. If you have read the bible, you would have seen some of these contradictory verses: "If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her." Edit: What lunatic will force a rape victim to marry her attacker? Worst marriage in history, I say. "However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT) EDIT: Slaves? SLAVES? "When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB) EDIT: More slaves. Hmmm, I give up. "As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches." (1 Cor. 14:34) "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man." (1 Tim. 2:12-14) "If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off." (1 Cor. 11:6) Are you sure god is all that nice? He thinks women are lesser beings. Side: No
you have some valid point. However because of your ignorance, you have all the scriptures interpretation wrong. Do not just pick out the verses that appeal or you think support your position but read the scripture (the entire chapter) more closely to better understand what God was saying. Side: yes
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God? Well, the only logical thing God could be is the universe; only the universe all together is all-seeing, all-knowing and all-being. But a bearded man in the sky? I don't really think so. Jesus? Probably. The Jews have evidence he was an up-skirt village drunk. If they think that and if the Christians think he was a prophet, then I don't really know what he was. But a real human? Once again, probably. Holy Spirit? How is this different from a deity? I don't see any evidence for a deity. I see evidence for an omnipresent entity, that entity being the entirety of the universe, but a deity? Naah. Side: No
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Ok, i feel sorry for you, you're gonna die now. You people are only saying how it's wrong. You are not saying how you're right. Do you even think that you are right? So answer me this "science": Where did the world, everything, come from? The law of conservation of mass says matter cannot be created or destroyed. So where did it all come from oh smart ones? It can't be nowhere, according to you. See? You can't prove anything with science. Are you really awake? conscious right now? "i think, therefore i am" are you so sure? The Big Bang Theory says "14 billion years ago, it suddenly exploded. The Universe that we know was born. Time, space and matter all began with the Big Bang. In a fraction of a second, the Universe grew from smaller than a single atom to bigger than a galaxy. And it kept on growing at a fantastic rate. It is still expanding today." That. Makes. No. Sense. How did it explode? What did it explode from? An all knowing being makes more sense even from a scientific standpoint. Science keeps proving itself wrong Still think you're right? Side: yes
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Ok, i feel sorry for you, you're gonna die now. Still up and kicking. What's the point of this sentence right here? You people are only saying how it's wrong. You are not saying how you're right. Do you even think that you are right? The point of science is to find answers through reasoning. Sometimes, reasoning is flawed. Sometimes, science isn't right. Science may not be right at all about anything. But that's the point. You believe in something without any evidence. Scientists believe in things because they have evidence. The entire point of science is to never make assumptions about anything. It doesn't matter if science isn't right at any given time, because it's always closer to being right then someone who has no rational train of thought to explain what they believe. Therefore, my evidence that I am correct is that you have no evidence to support that you are correct. Don't like it? Too bad. Where did the world, everything, come from? I dunno, I wasn't there. But over a thousand years of the study of physics has shown that the most probable explanation is that all matter and energy that makes up the universe existed originally in a super-condensed state of existence. At some point, a chain reaction happened that caused the universe to begin expanding at an exponential rate. The beginning of this expansion is called the Big Bang. It wasn't really a bang though. Just the beginning of the universe's expansion that continues to this day, as evidence suggests. The law of conservation of mass says matter cannot be created or destroyed. Your right. Which is why all matter and energy has always existed. But all matter and energy that ever existed wasn't always the universe. So where did it all come from oh smart ones? At the moment, there are several theories. One theory is that the super condensed state all matter and energy existed has has always existed and will always exist. Another theory is a very complex one that I'd rather not try and explain. I'd probably make a mistake in how I explain it. It can't be nowhere, according to you. See? I never said it was nowhere. Are you high? You can't prove anything with science. We can prove more with science then you can with guessing. And even if we can't prove anything the science, at least we're trying to figure things out in a smarter fashion then a person who guesses. How did it explode? We're still trying to figure that out. What did it explode from? From a super condensed state of existence that contained everything that became the universe. How something so big started out so small is, once again, trying to be figured out. Just because we don't know all the details doesn't mean we don't have more evidence for these things then you do for a deity in the sky. An all knowing being makes more sense even from a scientific standpoint. I nearly soiled myself from laughing at this. You have no rational train of thought that leads you to believing in an all-knowing being. All you do is sit around in some place of worship and listen to some man or women tell you that this man in the sky exists even though there's no rational reason that he would exist. Don't compare your lack of thought to science. The very prerequisite of something being scientific is that there is a rational train of though, experimentation and observation that leads up to drawing a conclusion. But I have no reason to tell this to you. You acolytes will never truly learn what science is as long as you are close-minded to the idea that you are wrong. Science keeps proving itself wrong The fact that it does means it's more thoughtful a process then guessing. Really. You can't possibly be so stupid as to be able to tell me that guessing is smarter then taking over a thousand years of experimentation and observation of what's really there to draw a conclusion. Still think you're right? I never know if I'm right. That's why I'm a scientist. I never know exactly what's what, so I always strive to look for answers based on what can really be observed. You are the exact opposite. You are always right. Nothing can ever prove you wrong. It doesn't matter how little reasoning you have for what you believe, you are always right. It doesn't matter how much reasoning the person you disagree with has, you are always right and you will never be able to see anything differently then what you already do. Side: No
I got a proof that God doesn't really exist. 'he didn't eradicate all of the wicked on earth'. Many say that God is 'Human Savior','He always helps people who suffer' , and blah blah blah... but in fact, when the terrorist attacked WTC buildings, he didn't save the 3000 lives in that buildings. and so many people died coz of starving n having no money... yet, the God didn't help 'em all. and if this were true: God is real and if you don't believe in him you will go to hell and if you do believe in him well happy after life in heaven. i'll murder anyone who i hate, steal everything i want, do bad things everyday. As long i believe god, i won't go to hell Side: No
GOD IS THE HUMAN SAVIOR!!!! No god didn't save the 3000 peoples lives but, it was there time to go! God has a time for you it could be in an hour or a week or a year or maybe 80 years from now but he has a time 4 you to go and it was the 3000 peoples time to go! and yes so many people die because they are starving but god isn't going to come down and say this to them " Here's $100 to get through the week!" God cares about them but, we also need to help. Maybe give $40 a month etc... Dude... It isn't that simple, but yes you can murder and steal and do bad things But you have to repent to God and ask him for forgiveness and invite him into your life and live for him and then yes if you die you will go to heaven! I really hope this gets through to you because the day of God/Jesus is coming! Side: yes
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