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Is God more likely to exist than not?

I am interested in hearing the most compelling arguments from both sides of this issue, but mostly from the "God is most likely to exist" side.  

No arguments from faith.

Evidence, reason, logic, are welcome.  

God is likely to exist

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God is unlikely to exist

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If you look at the timeline of the observable universe, we see that it begins 14.6 billion years ago or so.

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Why is it that much time? Why is the Earth said to be 4.6 billion years old? Without going directly to creationism, or any religious book, why is there life?

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Now, based on real science, life exists. Science has established the fact that life DOES exist. We can prove that by looking down and seeing your body move. If we do research without bias, we see evolution clearly happened. It is less dramatic than LET THERE BE LIGHT/LIFE, but it is a much more interesting story.

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However, why?

Why does it live? What motivation does a germ have to live? Even humans have no motivation. There is no way to know an after life exists, except for strange hallucinations caused by being near death or on powerful psychoactive drugs, so we can cross that out as legitimate.

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So without a desire to live, with no pain or pleasure or movement beyond wriggling perhaps an inch over the course of it's entire life, why did a primordial germ decide to divide?

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Is it just a machine? Or is there something driving it?

Why would life form? Even though the Urey-Miller experiment proves that amino acids, the precursor of life can develop from basic elements and molecules under early Earth conditions, why in the world would it eventually evolve into humanity?

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Clearly, the universe itself desires to live. Now, there is no proof for this, besides the fact that life is made of the universe, the elements and complex molecules and proteins, and also desires to live and grow and multiply. Now, what is a desire? If the human brain is a machine that functions according to preprogrammed instinct, such as sex, getting food and shelter, material objects and a desire to live as long as possible, then we can see desire is not something that's all though "deep", but rather just a mechanical inclination to do what ever the desire demands, as developed over time by evolution. Those who lacked those desires would die. If the universe is naturally inclined to develop amino acids that form into early life, and eventually, through lots of pain and death, evolve into intelligent creatures like humans who are able to then build new technology and do amazing things and think, feel, discover, love, create and do other extraordinary things, then that would mean that the universe itself now has the ability to influence itself not just based on natural process, but based on the more complex desires of the human brain.

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This would indicate that although the normal definition of a god does not exist, such as deities with arcane rules and rituals, but rather a god that is life itself, nature, the universe and all laws of physics, the universe DOES have a will that is made up of elements and energy, moving through time.

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Basically, the god that Einstein talked about.

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However, I do not pray to or willfully obey the law of gravity. It is certainly something I accept, but it is not a being or god of any sort worth my praise. Gravity simply happens, with or without my belief in it. I may study it with great interest, along with the process of evolution or the big bang or how life formed, but I will not worship a natural process, however interesting.

It is a god that is unworshipable, and has not being or body or mind or will, but it is certainly the closest aspect to a god that might exist.

Beyond that, it would appear that no other form of any other gods exist.

I will respect nature and revere it, but it is not worth the sort of praise that one would give a more mundane and typical god such as Odin, Zeus, Ra, Yahweh, Allah, Vishnu or others that have no reason to exist or proof that they exist.

It is a realistic sort of god that most people would not even consider a god.

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It is still something worth thinking about.

Side: God is likely to exist

As Christopher Hitchens states; "one swipe of Occam's potent Razor".

Assumptions do not a good argument make, if we fill every knowledge gap with a supernatural assumption we'll wind up back in the dark ages.

Side: God is unlikely to exist
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I hope you know occams razor was never intended for supernatural affairs

Side: God is likely to exist
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Irrelevant. Occam's Razer works in any situation with competing hypothesis. The hypothesis which makes the fewest assumptions is the one most likely to be correct. Supernatural hypothesis included.

If you have a hypothesis that makes 10 assumptions regarding the supernatural, and another that makes 4 assumptions, chances are the latter hypothesis is going to be correct or closer to the truth. It's a fact of sheer logic that Occam's Razer works.

Side: God is unlikely to exist