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Debate Score:88
Arguments:66
Total Votes:92
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Is God truly omnipotent?

Yes

Side Score: 30
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No

Side Score: 58
3 points

Yeah, of course! If God created the earth, animals and birds, how can he not be truly omnipotent

Side: Yes

I think that somewhere in the bible it says that He is impotent ;)

Side: Yes
Nox0(1394) Disputed
2 points

There is a lot of weird stuff in bible :D

Side: No
sauh(1107) Banned
1 point

Why do people always have to write that stuff down.

I mean one time, I was really tired and drunk. And she posts it on her blog.

(check out this PhotonDragon (above) am I out of line? I'm deferring to your expertise. When do you call it?)

Side: Yes
3 points

I'm deferring to your expertise.

Do you know what my "expertise" is?

Again. If you wish to insult me do so effectively. You are not funny.

Side: No

Write down what stuff?

Who posts what on her blog?

The ordering has changed. I am currently on top.

It looks like you got into a long pissing match with PhotonDragon and you want to know how to end it.

It also seems like you got yourself banned.

My assesment is that it is now a moo point (like a cow's opinion, it doesn't matter ;)

Side: Yes
sauh(1107) Banned
1 point

Yes.

This questions supposes God is real and at least somewhat omnipotent. So, if anyone can logically show that God doesn't fit the definition of truly omnipotent; all he would have to do is change all the on-line dictionaries to alter the definition of 'omnipotent'. This would be easy for even a mildly omnipotent being.

If you think you have a loop-hole in my logic that you could just check a dictionary that is a physical book. Answer me this, when was the last time, if ever, any of you used an actual dictionary?

Side: Yes
2 points

Answer me this, when was the last time, if ever, any of you used an actual dictionary?

If you claim that he is omnipotent then you must realize that either a paradox or an immediate contradiction will arise. Also the last time I used an actual dictionary was mabye 5 years ago. Primarily because my dictionary is electronic.

Side: No
sauh(1107) Disputed Banned
1 point

Reread the argument, taking 'humor' into consideration.

That kind of tunnel vision is why Rafael Nadal dropped behind David Ferrer in ATP rankings.

Side: Yes

Edit:

Logic says no, religion say yes.

Side: Yes
3 points

Actually the religion admits that God isn't omnipotent.

Side: No
2 points

LOL, I think you're right. Lolwars or what ever his name is, just admitted that to me.

Side: No

No. This is what most Christians fail to realize. Their God has limits. He can do anything that is possible in his realm. The bible even stated that God cannot lie meaning that he is indeed bound by his own laws. He cannot sin and therefore is bound hy his own laws. There is an immediate problem when it comes to complete omnipotence. There is an immediate paradox set up when an omnipotent being is brought up. Can an omnipotent being make a being stronger than himself? No. God can be all-powerful, but Christians must realize that when they say "God can do anything" they are not understanding their religion properly. God has limits. He cannot sin, lie, do bad, etc. He is limited by his own laws. God is not truly omnipotent but he is powerful. Christians need to realize this.

Side: No

That makes sense. I never knew why many Christians claim to have an infinitely powerful God.

Side: No
2 points

It's nice to see another rational thinker to the forums, you views are very welcome lol

Side: No

Sir I thank you for you kindness. The simple logic behind the Christian faith is just misunderstood.

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
2 points

You are defining omnipotence as that which can do the logically impossible such as making a married-bachelor. That is not what omnipotence means. Do you think that God could make a married bachelor, or a square circle, or a square with only two sides, or a circle with 87 sides, etc? That is not what omnipotence is defined as because it is illogical. However, even if he were to be able to do the logically impossible, such as making a rock bigger than he could lift, then he could make a rock bigger than he could and lift and he could lift it. Therefore, God is still completely and utterly omnipotent.

Side: Yes
3 points

You are defining omnipotence as that which can do the logically impossible such as making a married-bachelor.

It is not the "illogically impossible". It is doing things that set up for a paradox. A truly omnipotent being cannot exist. However a limited being with massive power can.

However, even if he were to be able to do the logically impossible, such as making a rock bigger than he could lift, then he could make a rock bigger than he could and lift and he could lift it. Therefore, God is still completely and utterly omnipotent.

That is illogical. Your logic makes zero sense. The question is "Can God make a rock so heavy that he cannot lift it?" If he can lift it then he is not omnipotent because he couldn't do what we asked. If he can then he isn't omnipotent because he couldn't lift the rock. You are not understanding your own faith. Your bible claims that he cannot do certain things. Are you saying that the bible is false? The bible never claimed that he was capable of doing every single thing imaginable.

Side: No
trumpet_guy(501) Disputed
2 points

The bible even stated that God cannot lie meaning that he is indeed bound by his own laws.

Their is a difference between physically being able to and doing it by choice. If I say I can't/ won't murder someone it is because I am morally oblidged to not do so. Being a healthy teen male I am well within physically capable to do so. I don't however because it is my choice. Does choosing not to do something make you not powerful in that area? God is morally convinced what is right and what is wrong and does the right. Trying to make him do other wise is like a two year old make me murder someone by force. Its not gonna happen. God is omnipotent because he never has to and won't sin.

Side: Yes
1 point

God is omnipotent because he never has to and won't sin.

It does not come down to choice but capability. You bible said he cannot sin and thus he cannot do everything.

Trying to make him do other wise is like a two year old make me murder someone by force. Its not gonna happen

That is a poor analogy. Your God is not capable of sin. If he cannot sin how does he know everything? If he knows everything he should know how to sin and thus be capable of sin yet he cannot do it. That shows us that he isn't omnipotent.

Side: No
3 points

Omnipotent? That sets itself up for a shit load of contradictions.

Side: No
2 points

Nope, from everything I have read on God he is not, ask yourself this what omnipotent God is powerless to stop evil.

God to most religious people is just another authoritarian figure bound by rules he/she can't break, like getting rid of Devil, Hell, and so on.

Side: No
lolzors93(3225) Disputed
1 point

God is not powerless to stop evil.

Side: Yes
Warjin(1578) Disputed
3 points

Well then why call him God?

Would you punish your 5 year child reading a book if you taught your child to read?

If you didn't want you child to read books why teach the child to read in the first place, same with evil, if God dislikes evil/sins why even create evil/sins in the first place, it's counter productive.

God is ether unable or unwilling to stop evil, that don't sound very omnipotent to me, just saying?

Side: No
1 point

God does not smite people that don't believe in him but ignores prayers from around the world, evidence of his non existence and evidence that he is not truly omnipotent.

Side: No
1 point

The myth of omnipotence is the biggest reason I don't believe in God. If God was omnipotent he would have planned every single thing to exist happen and thus prayer would be unnecessary, but if God had a plan for everything why do people reject him or break his rules? Does God plan for people to go to hell? Many religious people at this moment would use the excuse God wants us to have free will but free will contradicts Gods omnipotence an omnipotent regardless has the ability to control all things so free will would be unnecessary in Gods eyes. So either free will is evidence against Gods existence or God is just an evil fuck that just preplans us to go to hell!

Side: No