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no, it has to many problems. yes, as much as U.S. culture.
Debate Score:188
Arguments:107
Total Votes:209
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Is Islamic culture admirable?

no, it has to many problems.

Side Score: 71
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yes, as much as U.S. culture.

Side Score: 117
3 points

You mean the culture known for oppressing women, rioting because of blasphemous literature, cutting off the hands of thieves, and stoning women who get raped is admirable? I'd hate to live in your idea of a bad society!

Side: no, it has to many problems.
thebestnancy(32) Disputed
4 points

MY BODY IS MY OWN BUSINESS I often wonder whether people see me as a radical, fundamentalist Muslim terrorist packing an AK-47 assault rifle inside my jean jacket. Or maybe they see me as the poster girl for oppressed womanhood everywhere. I’m not sure which one it is.

I get the whole range of strange looks, stares, and covert glances. You see, I wear the hijab, a scarf that covers my head, neck, and throat. I do this because I am a Muslim woman who believes her body is her own private affair.

The Qur’an teaches us that individuals should not be judged according to gender, beauty, wealth or privilege.

Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is the most righteous of you. (Qur’an 49:13)

What the Hijab is...

1-An act of Obedience to The Creator

2-An Act of Honour & Dignity

3-An act of Belief & Faith

4-An act of Modesty

5-An act of Purity

6-An act of Bashfulness

7-An act of Righteousness

8-A Shield

What the Hijab is NOT...

1-It is NOT something new. Muslim women follow the example

of righteous women in the past such as Mary, the mother of

Jesus.

2-It is NOT a symbol of oppression.

3-It is NOT required in non-public places where there are only

muslim females and close male relatives.

4-It is NOT a means to restrict a woman’s freedom to express

her views and opinion, or to have an education and a career.

5-It is NOT an act of defiance, confrontation or protest to non-

Muslims.

6-It is NOT a portable prison.

Wearing the hijab has given me freedom from constant attention to my physical self.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
2 points

What the Hijab is... to you.

What the Hijab is NOT... to you.

And good for you, really, way to go modesty and privacy, but that doesn't change the fact that in some places and in some instances, religious head coverings are symbols of oppression, women are forced to cover themselves, and, abroad, is does serve as a political and religious statement.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
2 points

When I see a woman wearing a hijab I dont think shes going to kill me or that shes oppressed I try my best to assume the best of everyone but always leave room for the reality that people are dangerous (all of them) and they might hate me. What I do think when I see a women dressed in hijab is "I wonder if she thinks I'm going to hell,that god doesn't love me" or that maybe I'm a slut. I also wonder if Muslim woman can be friends with another woman who is not Muslim.

I also wonder (not when I see a Muslim woman but in general) how can anyone ever truly find and love and give themselves to god if there is no temptation to make them more disciplined. I don't believe god would appreciate the honor of some one who has no choice in the matter more then a person who chooses to honor him dispute being surrounded with temptation and corruption.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
3 points

that is not Islamic culture, that is the eye of extremism/////////////////

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
Dremorius(861) Disputed
1 point

Well it happens often in Islam anyway.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
thebestnancy(32) Disputed
1 point

watch the next video and you will find the answer to all your questions.

sorry the video is little bit long, but it really deserves watching.

Dr. Zakir Naik - Is Islam The Solution For Humanity ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEc7R-5P45E

Dr. Zakir Naik - Is Islam The Solution For Humanity ?
Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
Elkurdi(52) Disputed
3 points

All praise is due to Allah, the One who said: “ And do not come near to the unlawful sexual intercourse…” And peace and blessings of Allah be upon His slave and Messenger Muhammad, who said: “When a person commits zina, Imaan (faith) leaves him, until it is like a cloud over his head…” Undoubtedly, all Muslims have some knowledge of the prohibition of Adultery and fornication, however we are living in a western society whereby this crime has become widespread and commonly accepted. This acceptable crime has even crept into some of the Muslim homes, to the extent we find those who are proud to see their son entering the house with a girl accompanying them.

The Prophet (s.a.w) said: “There is no sin after shirk (polytheism) greater in the eyes of Allah than a drop of semen which a man places in the womb which is not lawful for him.”

A person has committed zina (Adultery or Fornication) if they voluntarily and deliberately perform sexual intercourse with other than one’s spouse.

women who get raped are not sentenced to stoning as you said (lied),rather than they are helped to restore their normal life.

Conditions of stoning:

A person is convicted of zina(Adultery or Fornication) by any one or more of the following ways: The first one is that the zaani (fornicator or adulterer) makes a confession, without going back on their word until they are awarded the punishment. If at some stage they retract their confession, they must not be subjected to any penal punishment. The second way a person can be convicted of zina (Adultery or Fornication) is by four reliable and pious men testifying that they witnessed the sexual act. Each man must testify that he actually saw the male sexual organ inserted into the female’s vagina. This stringent condition is to protect innocent Muslims and to block the road for those who want evil to spread amongst the Muslim society. As for the third way a person may be convicted of adultery, this is when a woman who has neither husband nor master is found pregnant.

In the christian bible it says the same thing.The bible says :

For adultery (including urban rape victims who fail to scream loud enough)

If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her; Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city. Deuteronomy 22:23-24

For a woman who is not a virgin on her wedding night

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her ... and say, I took this woman, and when I came to her, I found her not a maid: Then shall the father of the damsel, and her mother, take and bring forth the tokens of the damsel's virginity unto the elders of the city in the gate: And the damsel's father shall say ... these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity. And they shall spread the cloth before the elders of the city. ... But if this thing be true, and the tokens of virginity be not found for the damsel: Then they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die. Deuteronomy 22:13-21

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
1 point

OH MY GOD! Is this all supposed to support the argument that Islamic culture is admirable?

Side: no, it has to many problems.
1 point

is this the culture that makes out they are a caring peaceful culture..i dont get this feeling when ive watched alot of tv programes on them, and investigations, inside a mosque stated they are awaiting to rule ,take over us. i feel they hate us very much,.do they want us all to convert to islamic ways, that will never happen the british people will not allow it too, wake up england .i feel it is a barbaric culture, women are beneath them, locked away in a cupboard under the stairs. if you live in this country, you respect the rules of the country, and respect the people of that country surely. i will never convert to islamic ways.they scare me, i live in fear in my own country that is not how i should feel.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
salmani(30) Disputed
4 points

my wife is wrapped away like a precious jewel where as your wife or daughter or sister are exposed my friend you can take my money but not my wife would you expose your pin number to me no but its ok to check out your daughter is it maybe your mum is hot aswell what do you guys call it milf i think is that how you want women maybe go puchase one at the palour or get a women delivered tell her to come dress as a school girl this is a bad way of life and it is just a small breifing

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
2 points

you seem to have no idea how Islamic ways really are. Your source is TV? seriously? do you have any idea how much bullshit there is in the media

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
salmani(30) Disputed
2 points

now you no what palestinians feel like where havent white people pushed themselves into someone elses country new zealand is full of idiots like yourself

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
thebestnancy(32) Disputed
1 point

Cutting off the hand is a serious matter in Islam, it should not be done for just any case of theft. A combination of conditions must be fulfilled before the hand of a thief is cut off. These conditions are as follows:

1- the thief shouldn't be under compulsion or misery, otherwise the punishment is not carried out. Also petty theft is exempt.

2- The thing should have been taken by stealth; if it was not taken by stealth, then the hand should not be cut off, such as when property has been seized by force in front of other people, because in this case the owner of the property could have asked for help to stop the thief.

3- The stolen property should be something of worth, because that which is of no worth has no sanctity, such as musical instruments, wine and pigs.

4- The value of the stolen property should be above a certain limit, which is three Islamic Dirhams or a quarter of an Islamic Dinar, or their equivalent in other currencies.

5- The stolen property should have been taken from a place where it had been put away(a secure place), i.e., a place where people usually put their property, such as a cupboard, for example.

6- The theft itself has to be proven, either by the testimony of two qualified witnesses or by the confession of the thief twice.

7- The person from whom the property was stolen has to ask for it back; if he does not, then (the thief’s) hand does not have to be cut off.

If these conditions are fulfilled, then the hand must be cut off. If this ruling was applied in the societies which are content with man-made laws and which have cast aside the Sharee’ah ( Islamic Law ) of Allaah and replaced it with human laws, this would be the most beneficial treatment for this phenomenon. But the matter is as Allaah Says (what means):

“Then is it the judgement of [the time of] ignorance they desire? But who is better than Allaah in judgement for a people who are certain [in faith].” [Qur'an 5:50]

The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) cursed the thief because he is a corrupt element in society, and if he is left unpunished, his corruption will spread and infect the body of the Ummah (Muslim community).

What indicates that this ruling is definitive is the fact that a Makhzoomi noblewoman (from the tribe of Makhzoom) stole at the time of the Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) and Usaamah Ibn Zayd may Allaah be pleased with him wanted to intercede for her. The Prophet sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam ( may Allaah exalt his mention ) became angry and said:

“Do you intercede concerning one of the Hadd set by Allaah? Those who came before you were destroyed because if a rich man among them stole, they would let him off, but if a lowly person stole, they would carry out the punishment on him. By Allaah, if Faatimah Bint (daughter of) Muhammad were to steal, I would cut off her hand.” [Al-Bukhaari]

in the christian bible it says the same thing. they say to cut of the hands because the hands have committed sin. it is only a matter that Christians do not follow God's laws.

Matthew 5:30And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

Deuteronomy 25:12then you shall cut off her hand; you shall not show pity.

Mark 9:43"If your hand causes you to stumble, cut it off; it is better for you to enter life crippled, than, having your two hands, to go into hell, into the unquenchable fire,

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
2 points

The fact that you would defend the barbaric practice of chopping off hands would be the most compelling argument for why Islamic Culture is NOT admirable.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
1 point

You're supporting Islamic culture with this argument... how?

Nothing in this is comforting and much of it is appalling. For example, as a musician, the only thing i might actually cut a thief's hand off for stealing is my instrument. And here i find it's one of the few things you cant be mutilated for in Islamic culture? Shocking.

You also compare Islamic religious law to Christian religious law, which is a bit like comparing syphilis and gonorrhea. There's some similarities, some differences, but they both suck.

You also seem to be under the impression that this is somehow gods law, that a book that was made and edited by men for the purpose of controlling other men, a book thats only claim to validity is in it's own text, is the word of god. It's not. Its the word of barbarians and savages, with a splash of cannibalism in the Christian mythology. And bravo for the Christians on taking such a huge step forward in no longer adhering the the law of the ancient Judean desert when it comes to mutilating criminals.

Muslims wonder why their culture is criticized as barbaric, and perhaps it is because Muslim culture still rigorously embraces savage, barbaric religious practices the way that Christians and Jews used to in the Dark Ages. Stop defending barbarism by calling it "culture," step into 2012, and i expect you'll find yourself criticized less for it.

I once again feel the need to differentiate between the peaceful, content, every-day sort of Muslims and the Islamofascists that are making a problem of things. However, if we're not expected to lump them together, peaceful, every-day Muslims need to stop letting bloodthirsty Imams speak for them and and stop letting madrasahs teach hatred to their children, because peaceful Muslims are the only thing giving these psychos any sort of credibility. And they need to set themselves apart as Muslims that can peacefully integrate with a host culture, not try to conquer it with blasphemy laws, halal meat, sexism, homophobia, Jew-hatred, human rights commissions, or expectations for special treatment.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
thebestnancy(32) Disputed
1 point

watch the next video and you will find the answer to all your questions.

sorry the video is little bit long, but it really deserves watching.

Dr. Zakir Naik - Is Islam The Solution For Humanity ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEc7R-5P45E

Dr. Zakir Naik - Is Islam The Solution For Humanity ?
Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.

Islamic culture is so far from admirable it's laughable. Saying it's distinctly inferior to western culture is being way too nice. In countries where Islam has control, women, homosexuals, an generally anyone who isn't a Muslim male with a Koran in one hand and his dick in the other is pretty much screwed. You have women raped and then criminalized for it. Families killing their own members over some twisted since of honor. You have child soldiers and human shields. There's oppression of free speech and democracy. Children are taught from birth to hate Jews or hate America, hatred that has poisoned generations.

And, obviously, when you import Muslims you import Islamic culture, and you can see what a positive impact that's had.

And yes, we are all very well aware that there are peaceful Muslims. And Muslims that are Muslims by choice. That doesn't negate the atrocities of Islamic countries or those of Muslims acting on behalf of their religion.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
thebestnancy(32) Disputed
2 points

watch the next video and you will find the answer to all your questions.

sorry the video is little bit long, but it really deserves watching.

Dr. Zakir Naik - Is Islam The Solution For Humanity ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEc7R-5P45E

Dr. Zakir Naik - Is Islam The Solution For Humanity ?
Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
Cuaroc(8829) Disputed
1 point

well it looks like you still have yet to break your habit of posts until the side you want to win wins

Side: no, it has to many problems.
1 point

Everything that is affected by any religion is extremely bad and wrong. If you admire Islamic culture then there must be something wrong with you, mentally I mean.

Side: no, it has to many problems.

When Sharia Law calls for the execution of homosexuals, the culture has a major problem to be admired.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
0 points

What I don't like is Islam-based censorship.

Side: no, it has to many problems.

I'm not allowed to watch porn here :(

Side: no, it has to many problems.
1 point

I don't really have a problem with and you never see protesters going around protesting porn, and there is some justification in not watching porn, such as: not making women look like objects, save marriages and stop porn addiction. That is my opinion as to why I and many other people don't have a problem with watching censoring porn. I think of it as exploitation of the body. And we have to admit that porn increases infidelity

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.

I hope you got a girlfriend, otherwise you must suffer through some serious blue balls;-)

Side: no, it has to many problems.
thebestnancy(32) Disputed
1 point

Here we do not talk about our feelings towards something, rather than our reasoning and understanding.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
Bohemian(3860) Disputed
1 point

And what is admiration if not a feeling? I would love to hear your answer.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
garry77777(1796) Disputed
3 points

The fact that you can support the crazy facist ranting's of a human monster like Brigitte Gabriel speaks volumes about you.

In 2007 at the Christians United For Israel annual conference, Gabriel delivered the following speech:

The difference, my friends, between Israel and the Arab world is the difference between civilization and barbarism. It's the difference between good and evil [applause].... this is what we're witnessing in the Arabic world, They have no SOUL !, they are dead set on killing and destruction. And in the name of something they call "Allah" which is very different from the God we believe....[applause] because our God is the God of love

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel#Controversy_at_speaking_engagements

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
4 points

In 2007 at the Christians United For Israel annual conference, Gabriel delivered the following speech:

The difference, my friends, between Israel and the Arab world is the difference between civilization and barbarism. It's the difference between good and evil [applause].... this is what we're witnessing in the Arabic world, They have no SOUL !, they are dead set on killing and destruction. And in the name of something they call "Allah" which is very different from the God we believe....[applause] because our God is the God of love

Sounds like a kook.

And for the record: Arab =/= Muslim

Most Arabs are Muslim but most Muslims are not Arab. Afghanistan, Iran, Turkey, Indonesia and Pakistan are not Arab countries.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.

Does she not know that Allah is in the Arabic bible? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
1 point

how is she facist? This is how I see it: she was raised in that culture, where she was part of the most oppressed groups in the world (being Christian and a woman in an Arab country) she was able to escape, alive, and experienced what it was like to live without the daily fear of death. She unlike you or most people around the world has direct knowledge and experience of the culture of Islam and despite continuing threats on her life she has decided to speak out against it. Whats wrong with that. I think its a much better tactic then flying plains into buildings to get your point across.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
7 points

If you are a muslim.. you should know the statement "there is no complusion in religion" your duty as a muslim is to offer information and spread the word, but not to force anyone.. You cant just tell someone to revert.. theyd look at you like you're retarded.. Why not show others by your deeds, be the best at what you do, show compation, be generous, kind. invite someone of another faith to your house, introduce them to your family. let them see how you live.. Maybe by your good actions, it will peek someones curiosity and they'll start reading up on Islam.. but NEVER by force

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
1 point

I don't think that the Muslim religion is bad, that all people who fallow it are psycho or the Karen evil, what I do think is that the dominate culture and the majority of the people who happen to claim Muslim faith are not admirable. I don't think this of only this particular group, I also don't like the Christian culture (to name one other). I know that there are people who fallow the Christian Faith that are amazingly generous, loving respectful people but the majority are judgmental, controlling hateful hypocrites.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
6 points

Islam asks for alms of 2.5% of Muslims’ income to care for the needy. As you know, we Latter-day Saints fast for two meals per month, then give a fast offering, for the same purpose.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
6 points

Muslim culture put a high premium on hospitality. Typical Muslims seem quite eager to give the shirts off their backs–if that is what it takes–to show their guests a good time. It is so important to them, they will feel insulted if they are not permitted to show hospitality.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
6 points

I can tell you the pros & cons of being a Muslim

1. You will be cleaner. No other religion addresses cleanliness than Islam.

2. You get better health arrangements. Islam encourages diet 1/3 of full stomach for food, 1/3 drink & 1/3 breathing air.

3. You are taught self control, even from the simplest basic needs like food and water, you can now get life by the horns, nothing can be ahead of you!

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
1 point

1. You will be cleaner. No other religion addresses cleanliness than Islam.

...you're taking your hygiene advice from a bunch of desert dwelling savages who lived 2000 years ago? And claiming this is somehow superior to the way we do things now?

2. You get better health arrangements. Islam encourages diet 1/3 of full stomach for food, 1/3 drink & 1/3 breathing air.

Perhaps I'm missing something but using 1/3 of your stomach to breath does not sound like a better health arrangement.

nothing can be ahead of you!

Well spoken.

Side: no, it has to many problems.
5 points

Many people think of Islam as a barbaric religion. These people just tend to confuse Islamofascism with Islam.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.
4 points

It's as admirable as the culture of the U.S, which most decent people regard as a load of trash.

Side: yes, as much as U.S. culture.