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Is It Coincidence That Bronto And Hitler Both Tell Exactly The Same Lie About The Nazis?

Both Hitler and Bronto falsely claim the Nazis were socialists.

The historical record illustrates without question that the Nazis were far right fascists -- the mortal enemies of Marxist ideas.

Bronto is also a far right fascist.

Coincidence?

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Amarel(5669) Banned
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[F]ascism redrew the frontiers between private and public, sharply diminishing what had once been untouchably private. It changed the practice of citizenship from the enjoyment of constitutional rights and duties to participation in mass ceremonies of affirmation and conformity. It reconfigured relations between the individual and the collectivity, so that an individual had no rights outside community interest. It expanded the powers of the executive—party and state—in a bid for total control. Finally, it unleashed aggressive emotions hitherto known in Europe only during war or social revolution.

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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[F]ascism redrew the frontiers between private and public, sharply diminishing what had once been untouchably private. It changed the practice of citizenship from the enjoyment of constitutional rights and duties to participation in mass ceremonies of affirmation and conformity. It reconfigured relations between the individual and the collectivity, so that an individual had no rights outside community interest. It expanded the powers of the executive—party and state—in a bid for total control. Finally, it unleashed aggressive emotions hitherto known in Europe only during war or social revolution.

That's a nice piece of selective quoting, Amarel. Selection bias seems to be an inherent problem for you, does it not?

The word "fascism" is derived from the Latin fasces, bundles of rods bound around an ax and carried in Roman processions as an authority symbol; the bound rods represented the community unified around the central authority figure. Fascism is conceived as an expression of the organic unity of the society. Absolute power is vested in a supreme ruler. The state represents the collective will of the people.

Literally, "communism" means collective ownership. In a communist society, all resources are owned by the people. Communist ideology is based upon the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedich Engels (1820-1895), particularly their Communist Manifesto (1847) and Marx's almost unreadable Capital (1887). Marxist theory holds that communism is an inevitable outgrowth of decadent capitalism. He predicts that the means of production will be increasingly concentrated in the hands of the capitalists, the workers (proletariat) are reduced to subsistence living, the capitalist economy falls into "secular stagnation" because the workers cannot afford the things they produce. The workers finally overthrow the capitalists and expropriate their capital.

http://www1.udel.edu/johnmack/frec406/theories ofgovt3.html

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Amarel(5669) Disputed Banned
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That's a nice piece of selective quoting

Well, I selected the entire quote they provided. Do you want me to post the text of the entire article?

Incidentally, I don’t argue that Marx and socialists don’t say the things they say. Quote them all day, that’s what I do.

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Notice that Nom's position is so inferior that he immediately banned bronto.

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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Notice that Nom's position is so inferior that he immediately banned bronto.

Hi Bronto. Is it not true that your singular goal is to assist the American government in fighting Marxism?

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BrontoLite(759) Disputed
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Hi Bronto. Is it not true that your singular goal is to assist the American government in fighting Marxism?

It's my singular goal to piss off uneducated fools.

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It is the left that embraces fascism. Just look at how they excuse the inexcusable actions of ANTIFA, the anti-fascist fascists.

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Bronto(2002) Banned
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The historical record illustrates without question that the Nazis were far right fascists

And yet the creator of Fascism (your claim), praised Marx.

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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And yet the creator of Fascism (your claim), praised Marx.

And yet the historical record illustrates without question that the Nazis were far right fascists.

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Bronto(2002) Banned
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"It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet."

"The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in theVal d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end."

As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932

As quoted in Talks with Mussolini , Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933) p. 38. Interview between March 23 and April 4, 1932, at the Palazzo di Venezia in Rome [1]

BENITO MUSSOLINI

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/BenitoMussolini

Nom response? Crickets.

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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And yet the historical record illustrates without question that the Nazis were far right fascists.

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BrontoLite(759) Disputed
1 point

Mussolini and Hitler's own words or Left wing revisionism on steroids? Easy choice.

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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In Hitler's mind, communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PoliticalviewsofAdolfHitler#Anti-communism

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BrontoLite(759) Disputed
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Liberal revisionism or historians, Hitler's own words and documents of those around Hitler. Easy choice.

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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Nom response? Crickets.

Bronto, is it not true that your singular goal is to assist the American government in fighting Marxism?

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Amarel(5669) Banned
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Fascism presented itself as a third position,[when?] alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.[196] While fascism opposed mainstream socialism, it sometimes regarded itself as a type of nationalist "socialism" to highlight their commitment to national solidarity and unity.[197][198] Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism.[113][199] Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments.[200]

Fascist governments advocated resolution of domestic class conflict within a nation in order to secure national solidarity.[201] This would be done through the state mediating relations between the classes (contrary to the views of classical liberal-inspired capitalists).[202] While fascism was opposed to domestic class conflict, it was held that bourgeois-proletarian conflict existed primarily in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations.[203] Fascism condemned what it viewed as widespread character traits that it associated as the typical bourgeois mentality that it opposed, such as materialism, crassness, cowardice, inability to comprehend the heroic ideal of the fascist "warrior"; and associations with liberalism, individualism and parliamentarianism

https://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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Fascism presented itself as a third position,[when?] alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.

That is correct. What you are not so quick to point out is that this is because the fascists were far right nutcases who knew they could not acquire political power without finding some method of appealing to the left wing voting base which had been growing steadily ever since Marxist ideas began to take root in Europe. Hence, the Nazis presented themselves as centrists who incorporated values from both left and right wing politics. In reality, they were espousing far right fascism, white supremacism and militant German nationalism.

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Amarel(5669) Clarified Banned
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Thats an interesting theory. Though after they had an iron fist strangle hold on all domestic matters, they didn’t liberalize the economy. Their goal was Autarky. There were other nations with goals of Autarky and economic totalitarianism. Do you know which ones?

There are those who promote the same shit today while claiming their communist predecessors were not communists. Which is exactly what their communist predecessors said about their own communist predecessors. Funny how you never learn.

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Amarel(5669) Disputed Banned
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they were espousing far right fascism, white supremacism and militant German nationalism.

None of this conflicts with socialism

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NOM do Nazis consume your daily life ? Are as ignorant as you seem to be ?????????

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Dreadnought(6) Disputed
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NOM do Nazis consume your daily life ?

Well, kind of. There are a lot of them on this board, and I do post here quite a bit.

Are as ignorant as you seem to be

Sure. More so, in fact.

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Spuds(1074) Disputed
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Well, kind of. There are a lot of them on this board, and I do post here quite a bit.

With further examination of your old puppets, you were obsessed with Nazis prior to anyone on the site currently being here.

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Quantum entanglement doesn't do much for Atheism. Just saying.

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