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[F]ascism redrew the frontiers between private and public, sharply diminishing what had once been untouchably private. It changed the practice of citizenship from the enjoyment of constitutional rights and duties to participation in mass ceremonies of affirmation and conformity. It reconfigured relations between the individual and the collectivity, so that an individual had no rights outside community interest. It expanded the powers of the executive—party and state—in a bid for total control. Finally, it unleashed aggressive emotions hitherto known in Europe only during war or social revolution.
[F]ascism redrew the frontiers between private and public, sharply diminishing what had once been untouchably private. It changed the practice of citizenship from the enjoyment of constitutional rights and duties to participation in mass ceremonies of affirmation and conformity. It reconfigured relations between the individual and the collectivity, so that an individual had no rights outside community interest. It expanded the powers of the executive—party and state—in a bid for total control. Finally, it unleashed aggressive emotions hitherto known in Europe only during war or social revolution.
That's a nice piece of selective quoting, Amarel. Selection bias seems to be an inherent problem for you, does it not?
The word "fascism" is derived from the Latin fasces, bundles of rods bound around an ax and carried in Roman processions as an authority symbol; the bound rods represented the community unified around the central authority figure. Fascism is conceived as an expression of the organic unity of the society. Absolute power is vested in a supreme ruler. The state represents the collective will of the people.
Literally, "communism" means collective ownership. In a communist society, all resources are owned by the people. Communist ideology is based upon the writings of Karl Marx (1818-1883) and Friedich Engels (1820-1895), particularly their Communist Manifesto (1847) and Marx's almost unreadable Capital (1887). Marxist theory holds that communism is an inevitable outgrowth of decadent capitalism. He predicts that the means of production will be increasingly concentrated in the hands of the capitalists, the workers (proletariat) are reduced to subsistence living, the capitalist economy falls into "secular stagnation" because the workers cannot afford the things they produce. The workers finally overthrow the capitalists and expropriate their capital.
But the Nazis were Marxists. Why wouldn’t I provide text that supports that point? I provided the link for the source. The rest is up to your lazy ass.
But obviously they were not Marxists, because Hitler considered fighting Marxism to be his single most important political goal. Hitler literally believed that Marxism was a Jewish conspiracy and wanted to crush it.
Do you want me to post the text of the entire article?
I want you to balance the things you quote so as not to create the purposefully false impression that fascism is a type of Marxism. When you take quotes out of their intended contexts that is called selection bias.
Fascists were a type of Marxist. They attributed to nations the status of bourgeoisie and proletariat, and sought to reduce bourgeois decadent tendencies domestically. They were far right because they were ultranationalist, instead of globalists. But just as opposing biker gangs all ride bikes, opposing totalitarians are all collectivist. Contemporary collectivists can’t help but be Marxists.
They attributed to nations the status of bourgeoisie and proletariat, and sought to reduce bourgeois decadent tendencies domestically.
The entire central tenet of fascism is that there is a supreme ruler who controls the means of production. That is the precise fucking opposite of Marxism, you idiotic fascist cunt. You are the one who wants to live in a society with powerful rulers, not me.
Fuck off. You can't stick to the truth for more than two sentences at a time.
Fascists were Marxists. Nationalist socialism is right wing socialism. Collectivism is morally inferior to individualism. All the commies really were commies.
Fascism (including Nazism) is irrefutably not a form of either Marxism or socialism. The only people who ever claimed Nazism had anything to do with socialism were the Nazis, and they did it to win votes. You are literally resurrecting the lies of the Nazis.
Generally, the left-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism', while the right-wing is characterized by an emphasis on 'notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism'.[14]
Political scientists and other analysts regard the left as including anarchists,[15][16] communists, socialists, democratic socialists, social democrats,[17] left-libertarians, progressives and social liberals.[18][19] Movements for racial equality[20] and trade unionism have also been associated with the left.[21]
Political scientists and other analysts regard the Right as including Christian democrats, conservatives, right-libertarians,[22] neoconservatives, imperialists, monarchists,[23] fascists,[24] reactionaries and traditionalists.
Calling fascism "right wing socialism" is like calling black a dark shade of white. You really are so completely devoid of anything resembling honesty that I challenge whether you were loved even by your own mother.
If you think I'm reading your gigantic quantity of spam which is completely irrelevant to the massive fucking lie you just told, then you are deranged on top of dishonest and stupid.
In Hitler's mind, communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism"
Fascism is the precise political opposite of Marxism you idiotic little cunt. They were the two most violently opposed political ideologies in recorded history. Hitler killed literally millions of people for the single reason that they were Marxists.
The bloods and the Crips are the two most violently opposed street gangs. But they were both street gangs.
Fascists weren’t Marxists in the same way that commies were, but they were still Marxist. Their Marxist analysis held nations as bourgeois and proletariat. That’s because they were Nationalists. Their socialism wasn’t the same either. Supply side socialism is different than demand side socialism. But it’s still socialism.
Your team sucks as bad as the Nazis. My team is against Nazis and commies alike.
The bloods and the Crips are the two most violently opposed street gangs
The Bloods and the Crips are street gangs, not political ideologies. If we follow through with your false analogy then Conservatism and liberalism are the same thing, as are Christianity and atheism, and every other opposite the world has ever produced. Your argument is literally that opposites are the same thing, because.... Bloods and Crips.
Idiotic.
Fascists weren’t Marxists in the same way that commies were
That is because Communism is a theory invented by Karl Marx and fascism is a theory invented by Benito Mussolini. But hey!! Obviously Benito Mussolini and Karl Marx are exactly the same person because... Bloods and Crips!!
Their socialism wasn’t the same either.
Their socialism was not socialism you fucking idiot. It was fascism. Marx invented socialism so if it was not Marx's socialism then it was not socialism. If I invent a wheel, and then you invent a square you do not get to call it a wheel.
Fuck off you retard. You have no respect for truth or honesty because you are a form of cancer and it is really that simple.
"It was inevitable that I should become a Socialist ultra, a Blanquist, indeed a communist. I carried about a medallion with Marx’s head on it in my pocket. I think I regarded it as a sort of talisman… [Marx] had a profound critical intelligence and was in some sense even a prophet."
"The Fascist State directs and controls the entrepreneurs, whether it be in our fisheries or in our heavy industry in theVal d'Aosta. There the State actually owns the mines and carries on transport, for the railways are state property. So are many of the factories… We term it state intervention… If anything fails to work properly, the State intervenes. The capitalists will go on doing what they are told, down to the very end. They have no option and cannot put up any fight. Capital is not God; it is only a means to an end."
As quoted in Talks with Mussolini, Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933), pp. 153-154, Interview took place between March 23 and April 4, 1932
As quoted in Talks with Mussolini , Emil Ludwig, Boston, MA, Little, Brown and Company (1933) p. 38. Interview between March 23 and April 4, 1932, at the Palazzo di Venezia in Rome [1]
In Hitler's mind, communism was a major enemy of Germany, an enemy he often mentions in Mein Kampf. During the trial for his involvement in the Beer Hall Putsch, Hitler claimed that his singular goal was to assist the German government in "fighting Marxism"
Fascism presented itself as a third position,[when?] alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.[196] While fascism opposed mainstream socialism, it sometimes regarded itself as a type of nationalist "socialism" to highlight their commitment to national solidarity and unity.[197][198] Fascists opposed international free market capitalism, but supported a type of productive capitalism.[113][199] Economic self-sufficiency, known as autarky, was a major goal of most fascist governments.[200]
Fascist governments advocated resolution of domestic class conflict within a nation in order to secure national solidarity.[201] This would be done through the state mediating relations between the classes (contrary to the views of classical liberal-inspired capitalists).[202] While fascism was opposed to domestic class conflict, it was held that bourgeois-proletarian conflict existed primarily in national conflict between proletarian nations versus bourgeois nations.[203] Fascism condemned what it viewed as widespread character traits that it associated as the typical bourgeois mentality that it opposed, such as materialism, crassness, cowardice, inability to comprehend the heroic ideal of the fascist "warrior"; and associations with liberalism, individualism and parliamentarianism
Fascism presented itself as a third position,[when?] alternative to both international socialism and free market capitalism.
That is correct. What you are not so quick to point out is that this is because the fascists were far right nutcases who knew they could not acquire political power without finding some method of appealing to the left wing voting base which had been growing steadily ever since Marxist ideas began to take root in Europe. Hence, the Nazis presented themselves as centrists who incorporated values from both left and right wing politics. In reality, they were espousing far right fascism, white supremacism and militant German nationalism.
Thats an interesting theory. Though after they had an iron fist strangle hold on all domestic matters, they didn’t liberalize the economy. Their goal was Autarky. There were other nations with goals of Autarky and economic totalitarianism. Do you know which ones?
There are those who promote the same shit today while claiming their communist predecessors were not communists. Which is exactly what their communist predecessors said about their own communist predecessors. Funny how you never learn.
There are those who promote the same shit today while claiming their communist predecessors were not communists.
You are telling it backwards as per usual. You are a far right fascist who is trying to convince people that the far right fascists were Marxists. It is so stupid that it is beyond the imagination of most to even contemplate. Hitler told countless lies about Marxists in an effort to character assassinate them and discredit their ideology, so you are literally continuing the lies of Hitler himself, using Hitler as the subject.
Which is exactly what their communist predecessors said about their own communist predecessors.
The solitary basis you have provided for your clearly false assertion that fascism and Marxism are the same thing is an analogy about the Bloods and Crips both being street gangs.
You are simply one of those cunts in life who will happily swear that black is white and not think twice about it.
Thats an interesting theory. Though after they had an iron fist strangle hold on all domestic matters, they didn’t liberalize the economy.
Nazism is a form of capitalism.
They favored corporatism and class collaboration, believing that the existence of inequality and social hierarchy was beneficial (contrary to the views of socialists)
Answerless and dumbfounded on Mussolini aren't you Nom? What, your Marxist teachers didn't teach you what Mussolini actually was and said, and now you're flummoxed?
It wouldn't be the first time you were dumbfounded when confronted with objective facts.
Answerless and dumbfounded on Mussolini aren't you Nom?
What answers would you like about Mussolini?
What, your Marxist teachers didn't teach you what Mussolini actually was and said
They taught me that he was a fascist who founded the Italian Fascist Party. Evidently your teachers taught you that never happened, and your education ended when Mussolini was still in his late teens, which was when he followed in his father's footsteps and joined the socialist party, but before he was excommunicated and permanently banned from that party for not being a socialist.