Is Jesus God?
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I believe a MAN named Jesus existed. A charismatic man who generated a large following ... for his day. A man like Billy Graham and others who have captured the imagination of thousands .. more like hundreds in that day. A people one generation removed from worshipping idols and mythological creatures. Here was an actual HUMAN they could worship, make up stories about, like the Yetti, the Locke Ness Monster, aliens from Flying Saucers, etc.. Some were somewhat educated, most were goat herders, shepherds, and camel jockeys that were prone to stories of "wonders" and exaggeration. I believe he was ahead of his time, allegedly a force for good. I'm glad he showed up. However, the "Son of God"? ... Nah.
The story of the Nativity, evidence shows, was "made up" by St. Francis of Assisi to "Try to explain" the birth of Jesus to his "flock". I believe a "book" written CENTURIES after the "fact" is filled with these "explanations" of "stories".
I'm not ridiculing anyone's belief. You believe it, that's your right and you have my "blessing". Enjoy. I see NO, even vaguely incontrovertible facts. I DO believe the MAN existed.
Common sense also tells us that Jesus is God. We have eyewitness accounts from the disciples He chose to carry the gospel to the world and they did so with no fear of the tortures and executions which befell them as they obeyed the Lord to carry His message to a world of lost and dying people with no shortage of devils trying to destroy all they can.
2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
But those are sources from your holy book! Of course they say the itinerant Jewish rabbi and carpenter and political insurrectionist you call Jesus was a god. Using them is like me using my book of Greek mythology to prove that Zeus was a god. LOL
But show us a secular source who says that! You'd think that if a man god really went around doing all those miracles that others outside the small fledgling group of followers would've written about it.
Yet....there are NO secular sources who said Jesus was in any way divine. The very very few who even mention a man named Jesus do so in only very brief passing. They treat him as a briefly popular rabble rouser more than anything else.
Which is of course exactly what he was, mate.
Hope this helps.
I think it's REALLY going to depend on who you are talking to. Some say he is the SON of God and not God, others say because he is the son of God he is God.
This, of course, depends on if you believe in that religion.
Others say he was a man who did extraordinary things and was deified for it, and others still say he simply did not exist and is more like Robin Hood or some other fictional character. I think ultimately it's going to depend on what you study and what you think.
Do you have some sort of mental block (he asked him knowingly) that makes you think god cares about capital letters? This is the proof that anyone needs when they read these posts, this is a person literally proporting if to know that god is totally into capital letters, like in a big way, and that if you don’t use these criteria when you write, you are the embodiment of evil.
Is there any argument that could me more petty, self serving, or specious than this. Are you literally telling people that it’s not the way you feel, or the good deeds you perform, it’s the grammatical methods that we use to determine proper nouns and beginnings of sentences. If only people knew about this 6000 years ago, we could have avoided so much bloodshed. 😔 Sigh.
Can a fellow christian answer this unanswered question which I ask many of you guys?
Since the basic doctrine of the christian faith is Trinity, Why there isn't a clear statement in the bible where it clearly says for example: "God is three" or "I am God. So worship me!" So people won't be confused about if Jesus is God or not.
While in Islam, you would find so many statements in the quran saying clearly that "God is one" or "He has no partner", since the basic doctrine of the Islamic faith is the belief in the oneness of God.
You are either ignorant of the Bible or trained to deny what the Bible says. Tell me this....why do you want to believe that a man who proved only that he was a mass murderer, thief, major pervert and liar was a prophet of God equal to Jesus Christ who was innocent? Are you afraid the Muslims will cut your head off if you point out the proofs that he was a very evil man?
My Krayon says Magenta, what do I do? Oh Lordy Jesus, my Krayon doesn’t tell me to kill anyone, but it is tasty. mmmmmmm Krayons. Wait, your right, my krayons are telling me to kill Jews, WTF orange and blue??? My skin colour Krayon is hurling racial slurs. These are bad krayons.
I think, as in many religious texts, it's going to be up to individual interpretation.
Has a fairly good explanation to the answer you are asking.
"a relationship with a God who in fact turns out—when we look with the guidance of Scripture to help us—to be three persons in unity."
In essence this picture:
That’s like saying “ Is grootletodds mcshooryblank?” Since neither person in the exclamation can be proven to be anyone or anything supernatural, it simply doesn’t have a meaning.
“Is blorkyflutz musshuggenah?” Same question.
“Is Sam Harris a celestial clearinghouse inventory specialist?” Same question. Who said there were no stupid questions?
The reason our country is so unambiguously mentally defunct is on display in this debate. This is a debate to determine the voracity of fictional characters from a series of Bronze Age assertions that we are supposed to hold in the same regard or higher than scientific concepts. The fact is this as far as science got 4 or 5 thousand years ago. It’s fairly illuminating once you can put these theological writings in context with historical understanding of science.
You only have to look at the arguments set forward in this debate to understand the devisive nature of these kinds of theological ideologies. One person says, ‘Lordy jesus’ and another guy says, ‘no way Lordy is jesus’ and pretty soon you got 50 different people chiming in on 50 separate interpretations of a concept that has so little to do with any sensical notion of anything, it literally makes thinking rational people want to vomit.
Think for yourself, question authority, learn to put your mind into an open, accepting, yet credulous mind set and you’ll find an entire world exists beyond the tempting rhetoric of theological texts from 5000 years ago.