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Is Jesus a Rip-Off of Horus

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Side Score: 9
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Side Score: 8

I believe Christianity is a patchwork of stuff copied from many things including Horus.

325 days ago | Side: Yes
2 points

There are definitely a ton of parallels between the two. Whether he's a "rip-off" of Horus or not, I don't know.

326 days ago | Side: Yes
Brasstacks(31) Disputed
2 points

The Jesus myth derives directly from the Horus myth and there are about 10 other gods which pr-éxist Jesus with the same story..see HESUS. Jesus never existed, he is a myth which has confused mankind for over 2000 years.

325 days ago | Side: Yes
GuitarGuy(6124) Disputed
1 point

Why are you disputing me? I'm on the "yes" side. I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus is a myth. I'm not sure how Hesus fits in there though... if it's because of the similarities in their names, well... Jesus' real name was Yeshua.

325 days ago | Side: No
trumpet_guy(478) Disputed
1 point

No, you just haven't done much research yet apparently.

http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_history.html

324 days ago | Side: No
3 points

This website sums it all up: http://thedevineevidence.com/jesus_similarities.html

"According to Egyptian mythology, Horus was originally believed to be the son of Ra and Hathor and the husband/brother of Isis. Later he

was seen as the son of Osiris and Isis once Hathor and Isis were merged into one being. Horus was considered the sky, sun, and moon god

represented by a man with the head of falcon.

VIRGIN BIRTH There are two separate birth accounts in regards to Horus (neither depict a virgin birth):

Version 1: Hathor, the motherly personification of the milky way, is said to have conceived Horus but we are told her husband, Ra, was an

Egyptian sun god. Hathor (a sky goddess) was represented by the cow whose milk brought forth the milky way. By the will of her husband Ra,

she gave birth to Horus:

"I, Hathor of Thebes, mistress of the goddesses, to grant to him a coming forth into the presence [of the god]... Hathor of Thebes, who was

incarnate in the form of a cow and a woman." Source and Source

Version 2: When we examine Isis as Horus' mother, we are told Isis was not a virgin, but the widow of Osiris. Isis practices magic to raise

Osiris from the dead so she can bear a son that would avenge his death. Isis then becomes pregnant from the sperm of her deceased

husband. Again, no virgin birth occurs:

"[Isis] made to rise up the helpless members [penis] of him whose heart was at rest, she drew from him his essence [sperm], and she made

therefrom an heir [Horus]." Source and Source

THE FATHER AND SON UNITY Critics suggest the Christian trinity was adapted from the notion of Osiris, Ra, and Horus being one god in

essence. Because Horus was born after the death of Osiris, it came to be believed he was the resurrection, or reincarnation, of Osiris:

"He avengeth thee in his name of 'Horus, the son who avenged his father." Source

Throughout the centuries, the Egyptians eventually considered Osiris and Horus as one and the same. However, this son-as-the-father

comparison more closely resembles the metamorphosis of Hathor into Isis than it does the Christian trinity. We see Horus first as the son of

Ra, then being the equivalent of Ra, then Ra finally becoming just as aspect of Horus. Similar to Hathor and Isis, we simply see a merger of

one being into another. In Egyptian mythology, each god had a distinct beginning by being conceived from other gods. In Christian

theology, God and Jesus always existed as one and the same, neither having a beginning or an end. Jesus' birth did not represent His

creation- only His advent in human from. Furthermore, the father-son concept was not created by first-century Christians. Prophecies in the

Old Testament referred to the future Messiah as the Son of God up to 1,000 years before the birth of Christ. I Chronicles 17:13-14

CRUCIFIXION AND RESURRECTION Horus is never said to have been crucified, nevertheless to have died. The only connection we can

make to Horus being resurrected is if we consider the eventual merger of Horus and Osiris. But such a theory results in an catch 22,

apparently noticed by the Egyptians as they later altered their beliefs to fix the contradictions. In the Egyptian tale, Osiris is either

dismembered by Set in battle or sealed in a chest and drowned in the Nile. Isis then pieces Osiris' body back together and resurrects Osiris to

conceive an heir that will avenge Osiris' death (although technically Osiris is never actually resurrected as he is forbidden to return to the world

of the living). Source and Source

"[Set] brought a shapely and decorated chest, which he had caused to be made according to the measurements of the king's body... Set

proclaimed that he would gift the chest unto him whose body fitted its proportions with exactness... Then Osiris came forward. He lay down

within the chest, and he filled it in every part. But dearly was his triumph won in that dark hour which was his doom. Ere he could raise his

body, the evil followers of Set sprang suddenly forward and shut down the lid, which they nailed fast and soldered with lead. So the richly

decorated chest became the coffin of the good king Osiris, from whom departed the breath of life." Source

BORN ON THE 25TH OF DECEMBER Horus' birth was actually celebrated during the month of Khoiak, (October/November). Though some

critics claim Horus was born during the winter solstice, this shows more of a relationship to other pagan religions which considered the solstices

sacred.

TWELVE DISCIPLES Superficially this similarity seems accurate until we see Horus' "disciples" were not disciples at all- they were the twelve

signs of the zodiac which became associated with Horus, a sky god. However Jesus' disciples were actual men who lived and died, whose

writings exist to this day, and whose lives are recorded by historians. Because Horus' "disciples" were merely signs of the zodiac, they never

taught his philosophy or spread his teachings. The fact that there are twelve signs of the zodiac (twelve months) as compared to Jesus' twelve

apostles is an insignificant coincidence.

MOUNTAINTOP ENCOUNTER Critics point out the similarity of both Jesus and Horus having an encounter on a mountaintop with their

enemies. Instead of dissecting this piece by piece, I will simply give each version of events and let the reader observe the (obvious)

differences:

Jesus: After Jesus completes His fast in the wilderness, Satan tries to tempt Jesus by offering Him all the kingdoms of the world if Jesus

agrees to worship him, but Jesus refuses. Matthew 4:1-11

Horus: During battle, Horus rips off one of Set's testicles while Set (sometimes called Seth) gorges out Horus' eye. Set later tries to prove his

dominance by initiating intercourse with Horus. Horus catches Set's semen in his hand and throws it into a nearby river. Horus later

masturbates and spreads his semen over lettuce which Set consumes. Both Set and Horus stand before the gods to proclaim their right to rule

Egypt. When Set claims dominance over Horus, his semen is found in the river. When Horus' dominance is considered, his semen is found

within Set so Horus is granted rule over Egypt:

"O that castrated one! O this man! O he who hurries him who hurries, among you two! These- this first corporation of the company of the

justified... Was born before the eye of Horus was plucked out, before the testicles of Set were torn away." Source "It is the day on which Horus

fought with Set, who cast filth in the face of Horus, and when Horus destroyed the powers of Set." Source "Then [Set] appeared before the

divine council and claimed the throne. But the gods gave judgment that Horus was the rightful king, and he established his power in the land of

Egypt, and became a wise and strong ruler like to his father Osiris." Source

Skeptic Interjection: Does the similarity between the names Set and Satan hold any significance?

Answer: Set's variant names include Seth, Sutekh, Setesh, and Seteh. The root Set is usually considered to translate into dazzler or stable

pillar. The different suffixes of his name add the meanings majestic, supreme, and desert. The name Satan comes from the Semitic root Stn

which represents opposition. Before his fall, Satan's original name was Lucifer, or angel of light. The term Satan represents a general

adversary, hence his accepted identity. Though both names consist of an S and a T, their meanings have nothing in common. The spellings are

only a result of the original root words which represent their character. Source and Source

SIMILAR TITLES Critics allege Horus held similar titles used to identify Jesus such as Messiah, Savior, Son of Man, Good Shepherd, Lamb of

God, The Way, the Truth, the Light, and Living Word. However I can find no evidence of any of these names ever being used in reference to

Horus. I am especially suspicious of the word Messiah since it is Hebrew in origin.

IN CONCLUSION We can see the differences between Jesus and Horus far outweigh any superficial correlations."

So, no.......

326 days ago | Side: No
Mushinronsha(53) Disputed
1 point

Simply too much similarity to be an accident myth about Jesus was obviously inspired in Horus.

322 days ago | Side: Yes
1 point

lol nope.

326 days ago | Side: No


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