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Yes. No.
Debate Score:17
Arguments:17
Total Votes:20
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Is Jesus the God of the Bible in Human Flesh?

Yes.

Side Score: 5
VS.

No.

Side Score: 12
2 points

Indeed he is ............

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therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins .. for unless you believe that I AM (the name of God) .. you will die in your sins ..... John 08:24

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Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness .... Genesis 1:26

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The Jews answered him . . . for a good work we do not stone you ..

but for blasphemy .. and because you .. being a man .. >> make yourself out to be God NAME < (singular) of the Father / the Son and the Holy Spirit

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If you really knew me .. you would know my Father as well .. From now on .. you do know him and have seen him . . . Philip said .. Lord .. show us the Father and that will be enough for us . . . Jesus answered .. Don't you know me .. Philip .. even after I have been among you such a long time . . . Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father . . . John 14

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For to which of the angels did God ever say .. You are my Son .. Today I have become your Father .. Or again .. I will be his Father .. and he will be my Son . . . And again .. when he brings his firstborn into the world .. he says . . . Let all God's angels worship him .. Now about the angels he says .. He makes his angels winds .. and his servants flames of fire . . . But about the Son he says .. Your throne .. O God .. is forever and ever .. and the scepter of your kingdom is a righteous scepter . . . Hebrews 1:5

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For unto us a child is born .. unto us a son is given .. and the government shall be upon his shoulder .. and his name shall be called Wonderful .. Counselor .. The mighty God .. The everlasting Father .. The Prince of Peace . . . Isaiah 9:6

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The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son .. and they will call him Immanuel .. which means . . . God with us . . . Matthew 01:23

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John 01:01 - In the beginning was the Word .. and the Word was with God .. and the Word was God

John 01:14 - The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us .. We have seen his glory .. the glory of the One and Only .. who came from the Father .. full of grace and truth

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See to it that no-one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy .. which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ .. For in Christ all the fulness of the Deity lives in bodily form . . . and you have been given fulness in Christ .. who is the Head over every power and authority . . . Colossians 2:8-10

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Now Thomas (called Didymus) .. one of the Twelve .. was not with the disciples when Jesus came . . . So the other disciples told him .. We have seen the Lord .. But he said to them . . Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were .. and put my hand into his side .. I will not believe it . . . A week later his disciples were in the house again .. and Thomas was with them . . Though the doors were locked .. Jesus came and stood among them and said . . . Peace be with you . . . Then he said to Thomas .. Put your finger here .. see my hands .. Reach out your hand and put it into my side .. Stop doubting and believe . . . Thomas said to him .. My Lord and my God . . . Then Jesus told him .. Because you have seen me .. you have believed . . . blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed . . . Jesus did many other miraculous signs in the presence of his disciples .. which are not recorded in this book .. But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ .. the Son of God .. and that by believing you may have life in his name . . . John 20

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And at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior . . . Titus 01:03

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We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding .. so that we may know him who is true .. And we are in him who is true .. even in his Son Jesus Christ . . . He is the true God and eternal life . . . I John 5:20

Side: Yes.
Wais(4) Disputed
1 point

God is not human, that he should lie,

not a human being, that he should change his mind.

Does he speak and then not act?

Does he promise and not fulfill?

Numbers 23:19

I will not carry out my fierce anger,

nor will I devastate Ephraim again.

For I am God, and not a man—

the Holy One among you.

I will not come against their cities.

Hosea 11:9

So if God is not a man, nor changes, how can Jesus be proclaimed as God? Because God simply does not change. Nowhere in the old testament does God become a man except books of new testament. Most of which are anonymous and forged books.

Side: No.
1 point

Assuming new testament as legit: Jesus himself denied that he's not God by clearly differentiating between him and God

Luke:

18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

If these are the words of Jesus then he has clearly denied himself from being God

Side: No.
smilinbobs(600) Disputed
1 point

None of the items you have listed indicate that God and Jesus are the same Let's look first at what John 8 really says!

16 But even if I do judge, My judgment is true; for I am not alone in it, but I and the Father who sent Me (clearly not the same)

26 I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true; and the things which I heard from Him, these I speak to the world.” 27 They did not realize that He had been speaking to them about the Father.

28 I do nothing on My own initiative, but I speak these things as the Father taught Me. 29 And He who sent Me is with Me; He [i]has not left Me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to Him.”

(Jesus clearly considers himself the son and God the father)

Genesis 1:26 has nothing to do with Jesus at all

The next statement is from the Jews not Jesus they said lots of false things (irrelevant)

Side: No.
smilinbobs(600) Disputed
1 point

Now let's look at John 14:1 Do not let your heart be troubled; [a]believe in God, believe also in Me (key word also)

11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me; (Notice there is no claim that they are the same Jesus has the spirit of God in him)

12 the works that I do, he will do also; and greater works than these he will do; because I go to the Father. 13 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son.(notice two entities father and son)

Side: No.
smilinbobs(600) Disputed
1 point

Hebrews 1:5 says nothing relevant to God and Jesus being the same entity

Isaiah 9:6 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus

Matt 1:23 clearly says who name is Immanuel (notice Jesus doesn't mean God with us)

John 1 discusses "the word" yet does not clearly reference "the word" is Jesus just as there is not direct reference stating that Jesus is God

If we read just a couple of sentences more we see that Jesus was raised from the dead by God (different entity) Colossians 2:12 having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead.

All of the other examples you use don't come close to Jesus making a claim of singularity with God

Side: No.
1 point

He is actually Lucifer but even if my theory is wrong, it's severely important to understand that he was a human that God created and chose, by his own words.

Side: No.
AKJVPrewrath(64) Disputed
1 point

Sup Prod, I am not disputing you to be mean, but to present opposing evidence proving you wrong. Jesus loves YOU, and wants you to love and worship Him. Jesus is SO worth it. I went 15 years without Jesus, and my life was horrible without Him. What is stopping you from being a Christian? I say this because God is not willing that ANY should perish, but ALL should come to repentance in Christ Jesus. :D <3

Debunked!
Side: Yes.
Mingiwuwu(1532) Clarified
1 point

You are very, very wrong.

Side: Yes.
1 point

God is not human, that he should lie,

not a human being, that he should change his mind.

Does he speak and then not act?

Does he promise and not fulfill?

Numbers 23:19

I will not carry out my fierce anger,

nor will I devastate Ephraim again.

For I am God, and not a man—

the Holy One among you.

I will not come against their cities.

Hosea 11:9

So if God is not a man, nor changes, how can Jesus be proclaimed as God? Because God simply does not change. Nowhere in the old testament does God become a man except books of new testament. Most of which are anonymous and forged books.

Side: No.
AKJVPrewrath(64) Disputed
1 point

Check out the video I posted to Mingiwuwu.................................................................................................

Side: Yes.
1 point

Assuming new testament as legit: Jesus himself denied that he's not God by clearly differentiating between him and God

Luke:

18 A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

19 “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.

If these are the words of Jesus then he has clearly denied himself from being God

Side: No.

Check this debate again, because I added evidence......................................................................................................................

Side: No.
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If we are using the Bible as the reference for this here is the evidence against Jesus and God being the same

Matt 19:17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

26:39-53 This contains a prayer to God from Jesus

Matt 3:17 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased

John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour: but for this cause came I unto this hour.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.

42 And I knew that thou hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.

John 5:30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.

John5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise

John 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.

Luke 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Mark 13: 32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

John 10:29-3829 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

Side: No.
1 point

That's Funny someone down voted the actual biblical passages as if they were somehow just negative opinion, LOL

Side: No.