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Yes, it ruins our society No, it is a healthy fetish
Debate Score:250
Arguments:89
Total Votes:414
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 Yes, it ruins our society (36)
 
 No, it is a healthy fetish (53)

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Is Pornography degrading to our society?

Yes, it ruins our society

Side Score: 113
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No, it is a healthy fetish

Side Score: 137
4 points

Pornography exploits women and has no redeeming social value. It commoditizes sex and objectifies women.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
3 points

Pornography of everykind and anykind is dangerous and is degrading our society.

It desensatises us and portays both men and women in all the wrong ways thought possible.

People might say it is a healthy fetish but when you see porn for too long, it will cause mental damage to your brain and your thoughts and behaviour will get corrupted by them.

It's like getting influenced by a bunch of bad friends who offer ciggerates to you.

But watching porn is far more worse.

If watching porn is not enough, lustful men or even women might molest or even rape.

Porn can turn a good person to a bad person.

So think again when you feel compelled to watch them.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
sparsely(496) Disputed
1 point

And gay porn objectifies...?

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
jessald(1915) Disputed
0 points

What's wrong with commoditizing sex? Sex is a natural, normal thing.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
4 points

The problem I see with porn is that it desensitizes us towards what is beautiful or normal or realistic! What is beautiful is the human body, not a ton of plastic and silicone.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
jessald(1915) Disputed
6 points

Soap operas could distort one's idea of what is beautiful or normal or realistic -- so could Disney movies. Does that mean they are degrading to society?

Supporting Evidence: Disney hair (bp3.blogger.com)
Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
Paul-ish(77) Disputed
2 points

Actually, yes. Ever read Fahrenheit 451? What you said is close to what Ray Bradbury is getting at. No, Fahrenheit 451 is not about censorship, its about the degrading effects of TV. He tears into soap operas in the novel, and I agree with him. Porn and soaps are similar in that they are usually not intellectually stimulating. Like a soap opera, a little porn now and then isn't bad, but don't let it consume you.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
4 points

go kirstie !!

porn downgrades what we see as something thats supposed to be a special moment with the person you love to something to amuse us. it's sick and wrong.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
Bradf0rd(1428) Disputed
0 points

I've seen much plastic and silicon throughout my life in various places... even this so called PORNOGRAPHY, yet I do not find it beautiful...

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

although im addicted to it i do believe it damages the perception we have of women Although i dont subscribe to the taboo feelings some have about Sex i do realize the damage seeing women as sex tools can be hurtful.the porn has become more degrading and lower nature thruout the years so yeah id rather make homemeade porn and watch it on my own time ..the best way to indulge

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
Cdelvalle(196) Disputed
2 points

I've watched pornography for many years and it has never changed my perception of women. And I know plenty of people who watch pornography and are extremely respectful of women.

For some people, this negative change in perception may happen. But those are people who have become obsessed with pornography.

It doesn't matter what you obsess about - food, driving fast, going to the gym - obsessions are negative. Does that mean that all of these things are degrading our society?

Taken as a whole, pornography is actual helpful to society. It helps eliminate dangerous social taboo's that have hurt so many peoples lives. Just watch the movie Kinsey to see the damage a sexually taboo'd society can have on an individual.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

Yes.

I would get SO much more work done if it were not for porn, and I would learn so much more. I got addicted to it, and now it wastes a few hours of my day everyday.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
1 point

People who like porn [as opposed to healthy relationships with real women etc.,are inadequate in themselves and in their ability to have overall creative relationships ,fullstop.Their animal ,lower selve is overactivated and will result in the long run in them losing their status as a human being .What goes around come around,so you will become a victim of sexual exploitation in some ghastly place,the cycle will continue to descend,until you become no more than an abused animal some where and it will not stop.In other words hell.Christians think that hell exists somewhere else ,but no it exists right here on this earth,and sexual perversion,ie.no relationship or exploitation ,or same sex ,sex, will all lead to hell on this lovely planet.They are all from the 8 th house ,the house of death .There are other heaven and hells, but it all begins here sometimes not far away ,sometimes on another continent,but you can never escape the laws of karma. And yes there is evil,and there is good.Some people would have you believe you can avoid the consequences of you actions, but no you never can .The greatest negative karma comes from seriously crude sex.The churches in recent times have been too strict about divorce and condoms etc but you cannot emphasis enough the cruder side of porno.as bad

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
aclifton(1) Disputed
1 point

Truthfinder declares that "people who like porn":

1) do not value healthy relationships

2) are losers who can't form relationships

3) have overactive "animal lower selves"

4) are SUBHUMAN: "they lose their status as human beings."

These extremely hostile, hateful judgements are based on mean-spirited prejudice, not fact. On the contrary studies have shown that most of the men and women (yes, women!) who enjoy porn value intimate relationships very highly. Many couples, for instance, report that that they enjoy watching porn together and believe that it stimulates and enhances their sex lives.

Truthfinder warns, nevertheless, that such people who will be punished by the Law of Karma. They will experience Hell on earth: "sexual exploitation" in some "ghastly place"... because "The greatest negative karma comes from seriously crude sex."

Seriously? If there IS such a peculiar thing as "negative Karma", created by our sins - Does anyone agree that maybe, mass-murder, rape, torture and other violent crimes would create a tad more bad Karma than... a bit of hot, consensual, kinky sex? Or even, watching a porno?

Be that as it may, it's clearly hot sex that Truthfinder hates and reviles -- hence the hostility to porn.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
mwilliams83(4) Disputed
1 point

You say that research shows that couples who watch pornography are in fact happy and in great healthy relationships. This is a difficult claim to make and thus for this I would have to see the detailed methodology and collection of data for such information. Sorry, but I must be skeptical here. Making couples more physically aroused. Okay that makes sense. but improving that many other complex dimension within the relationship, I do not know about that. Also, why would you need to watch pornography to have a more healthy and positive relationship, even in the bedroom. This does not seem very genuine to me and would make one wonder if there are perhaps other issues going on that are not disclosed in the findings.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
0 points

If you removed the financial dimension from the porn industry, would there be any willing porn stars? For instance, say 100% of a porn star's earnings went to the government or even a charity. Would young women be so eager to have sex with strangers on film?

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
jessald(1915) Disputed
2 points

If you removed the financial dimension from the burger-flipping industry, would there be any willing burger flippers? For instance, say 100% of a burger flipper's earnings went to the government or even a charity. Would people be so eager to spend their time flipping burgers?

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No, of course not. They're doing it for the money. That doesn't address the question of whether or not porn is degrading to society.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
geoff(738) Disputed
0 points

My point is that it isn't something people are willing to do just because it's a sexual proclivity as some claim.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
sparsely(496) Disputed
1 point

Yes, they will.

Supporting Evidence: XTube.com (xtube.com)
Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
0 points

Yah bu tthat's why it's so much fun, right?

Side: Yes, it ruins our society

Pornography is totally sexist to women and does not need to exist on the internet, television, or anywhere else.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
1 point

no it isnt. sexism is saying men are better than women.

all porn is is showing what women look like with nothing on.

Side: It's sexy
0 points

Pornography's sole purpose is to give the viewer lustful feelings toward the people on the screen or page. Exodus 20:14 says thou shalt not commit adultery and Matthew 5:28 says that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart. Therefore, pornography is sinful and degrading to society.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
-1 points

Of course pornography is degrading to our society. What is pornography other than our body's sexual desire and our lack of control over it. All that it does is teach us to treat people as sex objects, not as equal human beings worthy of our respect. It essentially turns us into animals, which is the exact opposite of what human society is, the distancing of ourselves from animal like behavior.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
3 points

We already are animals. Our two biggest drives are sex and food

Your argument is akin to saying The Food Network makes us treat other living organisms as food objects, and trying to demonize them for it.

Get a grip.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
mwilliams83(4) Disputed
1 point

Okay. I do not think that was the point this poster was even trying to make. This is what those on the pro side keeping pushing as their lame argument; the argument that others objections are somehow about their own disdain and resistant towards our most basic biological needs and processes. When in fact, I don't think anybody here against the institution of pornography is really even saying that. Of course, we need and desire sex but that is just not the point

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
-2 points
ravipratap(1) Disputed
-3 points
-2 points
Blacklaser(56) Disputed
5 points

At least one study has shown that a decline in rape is correlated to the ease of access to porn. I would see that as quite socially redeeming.

See here:

http://www.slate.com/id/2152487/fr/rss/

http://www.impactlab.com/2008/01/06/internet-porn-shown-to-decrease-incidence-of-rape/

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2006/10/31/pornography-and-rape/

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
3 points

Would you be kind enough to qualify exactly what constitutes "redeeming social value"? Some show sex in the degrading manner you mentioned, but by far it's just videos of people fucking. Nothing degrading about that, people do it all the time for free. Or are you ignorant of xtube?

And could you also show any way people being disgusted by watching others have sex is somehow equivalent to harm?

*edit: fuck, this is supposed to be "Opposed". Hopefullly there'll be functionality to change that soon..

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
-2 points
-6 points
sparsely(496) Disputed
0 points

And that isn't the question.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
8 points

Pornography is created by us and therefore is a reflection of our sexual desires. It is a creative expression of our sexuality, which is one of our most basic drives. Almost all of us are sexual beings with sexual fantasies, aren't they just pornography of the mind's eye? Are our sexual fantasies degrading to society? I think only the most self loathing would say they were. However, if we try and record them and share them, all of a sudden we are causing the world harm? When you think of it this way, it's a hard jump to make.

When people object to pornography, what they are really objecting towards someone else's differing taste in pornography. Otherwise they would have to admit their own fantasies are somehow degrading and negative.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
Hairchrm(25) Disputed
2 points

It seems that you claim that what is natural should be given freedom to be expressed, correct? Please notice that many people often have the desire to attack, rape, or kill others as well; ought we to be given freedom to do this as well? Of course not. This is society, we give up our natural state of existing solely for ourselves and adopt laws and reason. That is what separates us from cavemen, and removing this distinction degrades our civilization back to the state where we could not control our desires, and did not have society because of this lack of control.

When I object to pornography it is not objecting to other's "tastes", as you put it. I object to the fact that it is our instincts taking over, which naturally causes a breakdown in society.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society

Pornography will be here as long as sex is here. Perhaps when we stop teaching everyone to be ashamed of their sexuality this will be resolved, but not any time soon I suppose. The demonizing of sexuality has a history almost as old as writing itself. Every strand of DNA in you is programed to make you a sexual creature as a biological imperative. Couple this with the fact that having sex is, in consensus opinion of the weight of human writing, the absolute measure and scale for pleasurable experience in the human condition. It is then easy to conclude why we do it and why we want to revel in it. It feels damn good ,and it is a part of who and what we are. It is only in exception to the norm when sex becomes something cruel or evil and that is why we treat such crimes with extreme intensity, but pornography(which is an arguable term in itself) cannot and does not degrade society or anything else... unless they want to be.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
Hairchrm(25) Disputed
1 point

Your argument makes no comment on pornography's effect on society, merely that sex is natural. We all agree that it is natural and also essential, but pornography is not sex, and we cannot get that confused.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
4 points

Pornography is not "degrading to our society"

Pornography is an essential part of modern human existence.

Almost every human has sexual desires, those desires come in different shapes and sizes but are essentially the same....Monkey see ,... Monkey want to have sex with.

In the animal kingdom this is not a problem, but if you are human, you might find yourself in handcuffs(and not the kinky kind)for exercising your animal desires.

So what is a person who has a sexual desire, but no one to exercise it with to do?? They could use their imagination for sexual release because there is no difference, as far as your brain is concerned, between a naked person in front of you in real life, and a naked person in your fantasies.

However for some people that can be a lot of work and too time consuming.

But fear not ...Pornography... is the answer,.. it is available in many formats for your viewing pleasure to help release those natural human desires.

By arguing against pornography, you are essentially arguing against sex itself and without sex, you wouldn't be here reading this !

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
2 points

Pornography, Democracy and Freedom of speech are very good friends. Just take a look at the countries where pornography is a crime, you will find dictatorships, totalitarisms and theocratic goverments. In that kind of places you will see a lot of huge crimes against the humans rights. So pornography is not degrading the society, repression is degrading the society.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
2 points

The purpose of pornography is to excite the viewer which is why the different genres of pornography (IE:fetish, group, racial, bestiality,etc) exist. Depictions of sexual activities have existed since the beginning of civilization and wasn't considered obscene until the Victorian era. It's not new, so why is it an issue...again.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

This is a tricky subject, to me, I feel that pornography is a healthy fetish (watching others) in which all parties are consenting. Furthermore, it is closely regulated (to prevent the spread of disease) which would be another issue. To me, it is just sex, in an unconvential manner. It is difficult for me to see any problems with it...however...I am also a male. There are arguments out there (aside from religious) that pornography is degrading to women and the industry is as patriarchal in intent as anything else in the world. At the same time, there is an argument (by some feminists)that pornography actually empowers women.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
3 points

It takes an arrogant feminist to state what is and isn't degrading to a woman, and whether they should have the self-determination to make decisions on their own.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
blammo(186) Disputed
1 point

Question: Would you say the same thing about an African American deciding when using the "N" word is degrading?

I mean...isn't that the whole point of being a feminist in the first place? To make a social commentary on what is degrading or unfair for women living in a patriarchal society. Just like civil rights activists will monitor what may be degrading toward minorities.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish

Nothing wrong with pornography if you are mature about it.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
stanleyge(64) Disputed
3 points

If there's nothing wrong with it, it isn't pornography. It is art or it is educational material, or it is something else. The word "pornography" means there is something wrong with it.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
3 points

That's because originally it was used as a pejorative. People no longer associate pornography with things inherently bad. They associate it with images of nudity and sex for the purpose of arousing the individual watching it. Nothing wrong with that at all.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

It's a healthy, safe sexual release for both genders, especially for men. Better than sexual assault, right?

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

I mean, its not forced on anyone, so I dont see a problem.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish

You'll go blind! After a 100 years or so, so.....

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

no, only because it is a commonly accepted form of entertainment. everyone watches porn (except sean hannity).

it makes us less innocent, but is that really degrading? i will admit though that it does turn our interest into stranger and more perverted things, but that just makes life more fun (c'mon people, we all love trolling friends with goatse).

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish

Pornography isn't degrading! It's created by adults, for adults (or for bored teenagers) as a healthy, sexual outlet.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

Boobs. Big Boobs. Absolutely Ginourmous Tits. Glorious Titties. Enough Said.

Side: It's sexy
1 point

In the case of pornography we do in fact have to begin by expanding the argument past sexuality as purely natural. We must also look into matters such as morality and even spirituality much deeper. Let me make this very simple here so that I may express a very general point that aims at the heart of our common humanity, not pointing to any particular religious doctrine or any other pointless argument that the pro side of pornography would offer: If you choose a lifestyle like pornography you are in fact making a pre meditated and conscious CHOICE to engage in an activity that can in fact harm people and in some extreme cases of STD's such as Aids, lead to the death and suffering of other indidviduals. This is a no brainer here. What part of pornography being harmful do you not understand unless you are someone who lives life every day with thoughtless, senseless actions and not even the slightest shread of human dignity and moral sense to your life. I have heard these new age morons talk about sex as being all spiritual and everything and yet have no objections to the interpersonal and even societal effects of things like prostiution and pornography. And even if we could eliminate all the great physcial harms through science being able to eradicate all STD's. Imagine that. No Aids. However, this would not solve the deeper spiritual, emotional, and even all moral complexities that can arise out of such an institution. As humans our goal should be to aspire to a higher level of existence, in body mind and spirit. It is to enhance ourselves both intellectually and spiritually above the desires of the flesh for greater aims. So if you feel the need to fuck everyone that you come in contact with for material exchange like money, perhaps it is you that has the problem and not the rest of society. Dont make this an issue of sexual oppression. It will not work. Your arguments on how supressed society is sexually have become irrelevent and better arguments will come against you both publicy and in the private contemplation brought forth out of your own self reflection. Answer me this. If the point does indeed come down to sexual pleasure than why can it not also include love, compassion and responsibility. Or should anyone feel sorry for those who once had the greatest sex and passion in their marriage and left it for what. hmm. Seems to me this is not really a religious issue after all. Look inside for those of you who view such material and especially those of you who participapte. Love is compassion. Love is responsibility. If you live a life that produces death in spirit and harm to others by spreading disease, tell me in one compelling argument how society could have the one thing to truly make it grow, LOVE.

Side: Yes, it ruins our society
1 point

Pornography was created even earlier than our civilization :) People have been fond of porn since ancient times and still we managed to fly to the moon and to create synthetic genome. BTW, sexual services is the most ancient job of women and nowadays nothing changed. I mean there are lots of girls that are ready to provide anyone with sex services in exchange for money.

Supporting Evidence: Lots of escort girls (www.pickescort.com)
Side: No, it is a healthy fetish

Some men who want to remain celibate use pornography as an outlet.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
0 points

Lemme start by saying, I think i would be more concerned with feminist ideas on pornography than religious. The religious debate is constantly fought on this site and often end in the same results. For someone to say that god says "pornography is an aborration" is meaningless to me and many others because we don't believe in a god. However, I have found there tends to be a two sided debate for feminists on this topic...Some being for and others being against...this is what I would like to be the focus of this debate.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
4 points

You realize all pornography does not involve women, right?

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

Obviously, I know that...I thought the feminist ideas on pornography would be a more interesting topic because there are 2 schools of thought on pornography in the feminist community. One being that it degrades women, the other that it empowers women.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
0 points

Maybe it's not the PORN that is corrupting man, but the man corrupting porn. What I mean is, there aught to be a threshold, where they know that something is unhealthy... at that point, if they were looking out for their best interest and the interests of others, s/he would do something about it.

Some people cannot control themselves, and that is what I think is wrong with pornography.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
2 points

Well said. I completely argree with this statement. Very logical and simple

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
1 point

Why doesn't anyone say something about this rather than voting me down??? If there's something wrong with this, explain it, please.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
0 points

It's not clear what you're trying to say. Rephrase.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
-1 points

A healthy little pussy never hurt anyone.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
-1 points

"Real" mammalian protrusions are too soft to hurt anyone. Silicone protrusions on the other hand can be harmful.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
-1 points

Without porn nerds would go on psycho killing sprees :)

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
-1 points

No, ugly porn stars are degrading our society.

Side: No, it is a healthy fetish
-4 points