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Is SaintNow actually David Wood?
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Isn't it great the way Now points out that atheistic/naturalism is intellectual suicide and actually against science? Have to admit, the guy above sounds a lot like Now.......Now just plays dumb here. Now says atheism is actually literal suicide, not only intellectual suicide, but that way this guy lays out the logic is still wayyyyy to similar to St. Now. Side: Apparently, Yes
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"David Wood probably actually uses reason and rationality."? So you have not watched the video and you don't know what you are talking about? Why don't you watch the video and see if your guess about Wood using reason rationally is correct? You just admitted you don't know what you are talking about so there is no value i your opinion....watch the video and then you are qualified to comment about what the man says. Side: Apparently, Yes
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It's funny that you still haven't understood anything and are just too surprised over big words. I studied biology in middle school, and in the whole of it, there is just a single sentence related to intelligent design. I wonder about the curriculum there - but it does seem little to keep people ignorant enough to want to put ID as a major part of the syllabus. Side: Apparently, Yes
Your ontological argument was slightly better , this argument was a favourite of C.S .Lewis and was first taken apart in 1943 in a debate in the Oxford society in front of Lewis himself , he restated his argument again in several amendments which didn't improve it at all. All this is just philosophical posturing and void of any real meaning , you know what would be marvellous ? If one person could just post up a decent argument for a god as in a proof that this supernatural entity exists ; you see the problem is theists have to accept the ridiculous notion that they have a 'relationship ' with an entity that they have never seen , heard or touched yet exists , they cannot do that so invent clever little pusuedo philosophical arguments in an attempt to confuse people into accepting nonsense Side: Apparently, Yes
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That wasn't any better either - none of them. If we reduce it to just the argument, by removing everything else that suggests that it's serious, it'd just be considered a joke. The best argument for God I've ever seen is the first cause argument. Nothing else comes nearly close, and it's disturbing that humans can actually believe an ontological proof. Side: No Way
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That's your choice. Many great physicists have been working on this problem, because, as you can see, it isn't easy and they can't say goddidit. The last thing I know of on it proposed the existence of a universe of antimatter. There arise a lot of complications. So, as you can see, it is a tough problem. Side: No Way
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The big bang as in what is taught to children? That's fantasy. Though what happened then...wouldn't have created matter or antimatter. That was just an explosion. There is another theory you might like - that of virtual particles. If they meet, then both would fuse together and disappear, out of existence. Side: No Way
The video is only 12 minutes long, it's fast flowing step by step logic mostly about the reality of your own beliefs and I think it does make perfect sense of your beliefs. If you can't watch it and discuss it, I have to believe you have been told what to think and how to act. Side: Apparently, Yes
So you reject God as causing reality, and you believe matter is eternal but changes form accidentally? And you don't believe in nonsense? Or you believe in the big bang, in which all matter was congealed at one point in time, and when it exploded time began but did not exist before matter exploded? Or you believe that nothing caused everything to exist for no good reason? How can nothing cause anything, how can nothing be anything but nothing and cause anything other than nothing as nothing has no ability to cause anything? So do you believe matter/energy is eternal, or do you believe God is eternal and caused matter by His energy? Side: Apparently, Yes
So did you watch the video? Did you actually listen? The video logically, step by step, shows the reality of reasoning which insists all things are natural and nothing is supernatural. Not mentioned in the video, the logical absurdity of nothing being supernatural is complete nonsense...nothing can be nothing but nothing, consciousness comes by random chance and in reality is nothing because it is immaterial, then nothing is indeed supernatural as you exist consciously. It's not my ontilogical argument, and I forgot most of Lewis' stuff a long time ago. I did read most of his books, some of them several times....but finally realized there are serious flaws in a lot of his stuff which if you really follow Lewis will lead you away from the truth. Christians should not put Lewis on any pedestal, he had too much Eastern Orthodox influence and too many pet ideas which were contrary to the Bible. The proof that God is there is all around you, and in you. The reason you will not believe is your own personal animosity against God, it's your own heart issues. Theists do not know God just by being theists. Believing God is there I suppose makes a person a theist, and that is the first requirement for getting to know Him in reality. You have to believe He is God, and you have to believe He rewards those who diligently seek Him. Now we are talking about God here...at least I am. I think you are trying to deny talking about God by pretending to talk about God while in reality you talk about things you can imagine which are not God, you call them "God" but really they are things you imagine to be God but those things cannot actually be God because God is eternal, was there before you could imagine anything so when you say "prove the thing I am imagining is God", that is a logical absurdity because God exists independently of your imagination so there is no way anybody can prove your consciously created straw man is God because it is a created thing and not the Creator of all things. I am agreeing with you that it is impossible to prove a thing you call "a god" which can be imagined is not God. We are in full agreement on that, and I really don't know why you keep trying to argue about it. I doubt that Lewis' argument was "taken apart", it's simply that people like you will not listen to reason and are skilled at misleading and redirecting conversation to avoid looking at the logical fallacy of your own question. It's a skill which comes by first deceiving yourself into thinking you can exist without God, and then in pride you defy Him and will not listen to reason. I fully agree with you that nobody can prove to you that God is there, and I fully agree with you that things you can imagine as being God, gods, or a god or not God because God is independent of your imagination and your faulty imagination will always fall short of being able to wrap itself around God...which is actually what you are trying to do, you are tying to make yourself bigger than God. Philosophical posturing? Standing on truth is posturing? I thought it was just living in reality. It's sad you believe you cannot know God's love in a personal relationship, it's sad you believe you cannot pour out your heart to God who loves you....sad to me because I know what you are missing....you are missing life. Side: Apparently, Yes
Look at this gibberish you come out with ........ Now we are talking about God here...at least I am. I think you are trying to deny talking about God by pretending to talk about God while in reality you talk about things you can imagine which are not God, you call them "God" but really they are things you imagine to be God but those things cannot actually be God because God is eternal, was there before you could imagine anything so when you say "prove the thing I am imagining is God", that is a logical absurdity because God exists independently of your imagination so there is no way anybody can prove your consciously created straw man is God because it is a created thing and not the Creator of all things......... This demonstrates beautifully the sort of illogical nonsense people like you have to come out with to attempt to make your ridiculous claim sound sensible , in fact it does the complete opposite by showing you're actually not convinced at all Side: Apparently, Yes
So please tell me what you are talking about when you say you are talking about God? Is it a thing you can imagine, or is it God who exists outside of your imagination. If you are talking about a thing you can imagine, then it cannot be God who exists outside of your imagination. You can't understand this? really? Just come out and say "it is impossible that God exists". That would be honest if you really believe it, but I don't think you really believe it because you can't say it, can you? Can you flatly say "God does not exist"? Side: Apparently, Yes
The word god is not a name unless you spell it God. So now we have made it clear you are not talking about God but you are talking about something comparable to Sherlock Holmes. Thank you. Now, can you say God does not exist? Is that hard for you to say? I can say it...watch...but first I must state I know He is there, and I am only trying to show you that nothing bad happens if I say God does not exist...so here it goes....God does not exist. There, even though I know God is God and He is there and He created all things including what appears real to us, I lied and said God does not exist. If you really believe you are telling the truth when you say God does not exist, why can't you say God does not exist? Did some witch cast a spell on you so that when you think of saying "God does not exist", your thoughts become scrambled and you can say anything else imaginable but you cannot say God does not exist? Side: Apparently, Yes
Here we go you ask my opinion but give yours as in ......Now, can you say God does not exist? Is that hard for you to say? I can say it...watch...but first I must state I know He is there, and I am only trying to show you that nothing bad happens if I say God does not exist...so here it goes....God does not exist........ 👉Here you go forcing your opinion again 👉 There, even though I know God is God and He is there and He created all things including what appears real to us, I lied and said God does not exist......... So even at that my reply is easy using your flawed 'reasoning ' ..... Now, can you say Sherlock Holmes does not exist? Is that hard for you to say? I can say it...watch...but first I must state I know He is there, and I am only trying to show you that nothing bad happens if I say Sherlock Holmes does not exist...so here it goes....Sherlock Holmes does not exist. There, even though I know Sherlock Holmes is Sherlock Holmes and He is fictional and He is not all things a real person to us, I told the truth and said He does not exist. Next .......... Side: Apparently, Yes
Not forcing my opinion, simply stating that even though I believe it is untrue and I am lying if I say it, I can say God does not exist. Can you say "God does not exist.", do you really believe God does not exist? If you really believe it, say it. I know God is God. My opinion of God is irrelevant. God is God if my opinion disagrees or not. You disagree with me, so why not just flatly and plainly say "God does not exist.", or "you can't know God is God because God does not exist". I would say that is your opinion, you don't know what I know. If you don't want to know, fine, don't know. If you insist you cannot know, fine, then don't know....but I know and nothing can change that fact, not even if they crucify me. I still know God is God and I trust in Him. Sherlock Holmes does not exist, as far as I know. I believe he was a fictional character. If somebody shows me he was a real person, then I'll say he does in fact exist. My knowledge of Sherlock Holmes is limited, and I really don't care if Holmes exists or not. But regardless if Holmes is real or not, we both know we are talking about the same thing. Next is for you to flatly say God does not exist. Is that too hard for you to say? Are you an honest person? Does God exist or not? If you think or claim to know God does not exist, why can't you just say "God does not exist"? When I say God is God, you know who I am talking about the same as when you talk about Sherlock Holmes I know who you are talking about. So can't you just flatly say "God does not exist" so I can be sure who you are talking about? You keep shifting over to things which compare to Sherlock Holmes....it's like there's an automatic switch in your brain which flips when you hear the name God and then you can't talk about God. Side: Apparently, Yes
A god is a created thing. You are talking about created things which are not God. I am talking about the Creator of all things who is God. Can you say "God, the Creator of all things, does not exist."? Why can't you say that? Does somebody have a grenade strapped on your back and a microphone, so they are listening after they warned you to never say "God does not exist.", and they told you that if you say "God does not exist" they will detonate the grenade and you are afraid the grenade is not big enough to kill you instantly so you will suffer in terrible agony a while before you die? Comeon, Dermot...be brave...just say "God the Creator of all things does not exist". Wow, pulling teeth would be easier than getting you to say "God does not exist". You don't really believe God does not exist, do you? Side: Apparently, Yes
How can you talk about Sherlock Holmes when there is not a shred of evidence that he is real? If you can say "Sherlock Holmes does not exist", why can't you say "God does not exist". You're telling me they are basically the same thing but you can talk about Sherlock Holmes but you cannot talk about God? If they are basically the same thing, why can't you say God does not exist? Side: Apparently, Yes
The same way you can talk to your children about magical dragons , Easter bunnies or Santa or are you saying you do not talk about fictional characters until they can be proven to be real ? You are getting confused aren't you , do you know what fiction is ? Side: Apparently, Yes
You still can't say "God the Creator of All Things" does not exist, can you? That is the ontological argument as I was taught in Bible College. You illustrate it well. You can't say God does not exist, can you? You can write books about fictional characters, but you cannot say God is fictional, can you? That is the ontological proof without long explanation. Side: Apparently, Yes
You're finding this difficult and why is beyond me as I put your ontological argument to bed last week ; when you talk of bible college you are way behind in learning regards what i and others learned through the Jesuits which as you know are the intellectual arm of the Catholic Church , the average American schooled in bible college is no match for the average Catholic back home in matters pertaining to the bible . I'm familiar with the bible in my native tounge , English , Latin and Greek I've heard every argument for a god and the ontological is one of the weakest and the few who still use it are American fundies , one more time let me put it simply for you ...... The Argument: (This argument is called the Ontological Argument and is also called the God is Necessary Argument. This argument was advanced by St. Anselm and claims god is necessary. This argument claims that just because we can conceive of a supremely perfect being such as a god means it must exist.) The Counter Argument: This argument fails because it contains the logical fallacy of Circular Reasoning because it simply assumes god exists from the premise. You could easily say there is nothing cuter than a magical pink unicorn but just because you can conceive the idea of such a creature does not mean it actually exists. Your mental faculties do not influence whether or not a being or a god exists. Is it any clearer for you ? Side: Apparently, Yes
You have no argument if you cannot say it is impossible for God the Creator of all things to be real. If you do simply and clearly state that you believe it is impossible for God the Creator of all things to exist, then it ends the conversation since you have made up your mind. Comeon, just state your belief simply and factually, tell me you hold to the position that it is impossible for God the eternal One who created all things to be real. Why can't you say that? Side: Apparently, Yes
You're trying to put yourself to bed is what you are doing. You're trying to get yourself out of reality in death, hoping in death as your Savior to free you from pain and suffering, to exonerate you so you are not held responsible for your immoralities. You can't even say God the eternal One, the Creator of all things does not exist, the thought of saying that scares you so much that you freeze up, and if you don't start talking about Sherlock Holmes, rigor mortise will set it. Side: Apparently, Yes
You can't say "It is impossible for God who Created all things to exist", can you? That is the ontological proof as I was taught in Bible college. I never heard of Ansel or Grettal or whatever his name was until I posted that video. The guy was a monk, I assume Catholic, and I generally do not use such as sources any more than I use Muslims as sources. The Muslims do present some fairly well put together proof that God is real, they fall apart when they change God into a lonely thing who created people as toys to play with and does not care about their pain and suffering when they insist He is not God. Side: Apparently, Yes
Believing God is there is only the first step in getting to know Him personally. Hansel was only at the first step, realizing that God must be there. I reached that point when I was around seven and realized that the claims of evolution being pumped down my throat could not be true, I knew God must be there though I really didn't know Him. I just knew He has to be there, and I reached that conclusion logically by looking at the beliefs inherent in evolution logically. In the video, the reasoning of Naturalism (evolution/atheism) are clearly spelled out and shown to be intellectual suicide. I knew better when I was seven years old, I knew that believing what they were trying to force on my through repeated propaganda brainwashing techniques trying to tell me how to think...I knew that if I believed what they were telling me it would be intellectual suicide and anything called learning would be pointless. It was fifteen years later after pouring myself into exploring all kinds of religious ideas and worldly religious or non-religious philosophies that I found myself confronted by the truth of needing God's mercy and I believed on Jesus and was forgiven of my sins. Most people try to avoid the truth of needing God's mercy because they feel they can never be good enough to deserve God's mercy and they indeed cannot be...so they spend their lives trying to hide from God. Side: Apparently, Yes
David Wood tells a large part of his life story, how he like you threw off "the shackles" of religious indoctrination. His story is much like mine, I too had thrown off the shackles of religious indoctrination seeking to make up my own god which worked in all of my religious and philosophical excursions, a god which was flexible to permit whatever I felt like doing at the time, whatever I excused myself for. Although I never did bludgeon my father with a hammer trying to kill him, I did many similar things trying to find meaning for my existence, trying to understand what life and death is about. Wood was reconciled with his father, they are in a healthy father and son relationship now after Wood had thrown of the shackles completely and tried to kill his father with a hammer on his head. His father lived so Wood was not charged with murder, was eventually freed, and made amends with his father who loved him as a son no matter what evil he did. You should watch the video, it's very well done, excellent cinematography, a fast moving story with the emotions very well and subtly captured in the scenery. True life story of David Wood
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The Truth is not affected by arguments, the truth is that you are afraid of God and that is why you are afraid to say God the Creator of all things does not exist. This is your last chance to be brave and say "God the Creator of All things does not exist". If you can't say that, then all you are doing is playing childish games and you're not emotionally fit to participate here and have become nothing but disruptive and distracting. Side: Apparently, Yes
Obviously you and I are not talking about the same thing. You don't know what you are talking about, I do. I know what you are talking about, and I know what I am talking about and they are two different things and you are pretending you can't see the difference. If you really can't see the difference, then why can't you say "God, the One who Created all things, cannot possibly exist"? Why can't you say "God who created all things and is eternal does not exist, it is not possible for Him to exist." You are actually at the starting point of Ontological proof of God's existence, that point being it is possible that God is real. If I'm wrong about that, then prove me wrong by flatly and clearly stating that you believe or know or both know and believe that it is impossible for God, the eternal One who created all things, to be real. Side: Apparently, Yes
If you think there is no God, why are you afraid to say that God the Creator of all things does not exist? I think you are not only afraid of God, you are afraid to admit that you are afraid of God. I think you're a big chicken and you use childish games trying to hide your insecurity. That is ontological proof that God is there. You have proved the point, thank you. Side: Apparently, Yes
Now I'm putting you to bed. If you think there is no God, why are you afraid to say that God the Creator of all things does not exist? I think you are not only afraid of God, you are afraid to admit that you are afraid of God. I think you're a big chicken and you use childish games trying to hide your insecurity. That is ontological proof that God is there. You have proved the point, thank you. Get some sleep and try to figure out why you are afraid to say "God the Creator of all things does not exist.",...... but don't lose any sleep over it, and try not to dream about anything bad. Side: Apparently, Yes
I re-read what you copied and pasted from me here, re-read it critically, and I see nothing nonsensical or illogical in what I wrote. I guess it was just over your head a bit and I have to simplify for you....I am talking about God, you are not talking about God. Things that compare to Sherlock Holmes or the Flying Spaghetti monster are not God. If you want to say God does not exist, come out and say it clearly. That should not be hard for you to say if you really believe it's true. A unicorn is a horse with one long spiral horn on its forehead. We can talk about a unicorn and both know we are talking about the same thing if it exists or not, just as we can talk about Mickey Mouse and both know we are talking about the same thing. If we cannot agree on the definition of God, when I talk about God you are talking about something else. If you cannot accept the commonly recognized definition of God, you can't talk about God. Side: Apparently, Yes
Well actually if you cannot explain it simply you do not understand what you're even talking about do you ? Frankly nonsense does indeed go over my head , let's cut to the chase please explain what the 'commonly ' recognised definition of what the term god is or means ? Side: Apparently, Yes
The term god refers to created things.......like Thor, The Filleting Spook Munster, Gilligan's Island, Fantasy Island and so forth. Many people worship those things and it is idolatry, worshiping created things. The term God refers to the Creator of All Things who was not created and always existed. If you can't talk about God, you should not pretend to be talking about God when you talk about created things people call god. Why is this so difficult for you to understand? Why can't you say "God who created all things does not exist"? It's like you have rocks in your mouth and your tongue goes into convulsions at the though of saying "God the creator of all things does not exist". I want to hear you say it. (or read it, you know what I mean) Are you not in control of your own expressions? Can't you say "God the creator of all things does not exist?". Who or what is preventing you from saying "God the creator of all things does not exist."? I have said it ten times to illustrate it can be said....why can't you say it? Side: Apparently, Yes
You say ....The term God refers to the Creator of All Things who was not created and always existed. If you can't talk about God, you should not pretend to be talking about God when you talk about created things people call god....... See that , it's you merely stating what you wish was true and which you cannot prove so is meaningless; why can't you say " puff the magic dragon who created all things does not exist " It's like you have rocks in your mouth and your tounge goes into convulsions at the thought of saying " Puff the magic dragon creator of all things does not exist " . Side: Apparently, Yes
Puff the magic dragon creator of all things does not exist...what's the big deal about that? Why can't you say "God who created all things does not exist." You act like the thought of saying that caused you to start spinning like a top and flubbering your lips in shock. Side: Apparently, Yes
You've resorted to acting like a two year old trying to avoid admitting that you cannot flatly state "God the Creator of all things does not exist". If you really believe God the Creator of all things does not exist, why can't you say "God the Creator of all things does not exist."? Are you sure you really believe God does not exist? Why can't you say it if you believe it? Why must you resort to childish games avoiding admitting that you are unable to say "God does not exist". Just say it. What is wrong with you that you can't say it? It's like your brain short circuits at the thought of saying "God does not exist". Why can't you say it? Why do you have to start playing with Puff when I ask you to state your belief that God does not exist? Why can't you say "God does not exist". It's like you're a robot programmed to talk about Puff or Sherlock instead of saying God does not exist. And you act like you are proud of yourself for doing it......and you expect me to believe you are not a seven year old brat? Oh yeah, I forgot, you cuss like a sailor, far beyond a seven year old. Some nine year old's can match your language and play backwards bizzaro land and they can say there is no God, how come you can't say it? Side: Apparently, Yes
First you resort to childish backwards say the opposite nonsense games, then you switch to putting words in my mouth........if you acted like that in a court of law the judge would drop the gavel on you. Pretending to be a child incapable of understanding the charges does not get you off the hook. Side: Apparently, Yes
I'm about to conclude you are mentally challenged so you can't tell the difference between God the Creator of all things and Puff the Magic Dragon. Can you tell the difference between Puff and The Flying Spaghetti Monster, Sherlock? That's your new nick name, Sherlock. Go play your childish games somewhere else Sherlock. I'm sure you are ready to spit profusely bloody teeth profanity, I don't want to entertain your game playing any more. Sorry. Side: Apparently, Yes
If you can't talk about God who created all things, you're wasting my time. I'm not interested in arguing about things that are not God...in fact, you don't argue about those things. You only want to argue against God, but you cannot say He does not exist. I think you are chicken. Say "God, the Creator of All Things, does not exist." or I say you are chicken. This is what's funny about atheists....they pretend to be brave about death when in reality they are chicken hearts. Side: Apparently, Yes
If you can't talk about Puff who created all things, you're wasting my time. I'm not interested in arguing about things that are not Puff ..in fact, you don't argue about those things. You only want to argue against Puff , but you cannot say He does not exist. I think you are chicken. Say "Puff , the Creator of All Things, does not exist." or I say you are chicken. This is what's funny about theists ....they pretend to be brave about death when in reality they are chicken hearts. Side: Apparently, Yes
You talk about logical fallacy then you resort to this kind of childish never-never land backwards talking bizzaro world and you claim to be capable of intelligent conversation? Really? I think your mind is gone. You left your mind on the far side of that mental block wall you built thinking you can hide from God. Side: Apparently, Yes
That was not my Ontilogical Argument...the main point of that argument was a true atheist must insist it is not possible for God to exist. Anything presented as an argument is in my book flawed by calling itself an argument instead of truth, and you have to be suspicious of arguments. I prefer to stick with the truth. If an atheists says it is possible that God exists in an unknown realm, then He must exist in the known realm because He must be the same in every realm, known or unknown. This is a bit of an elaboration of one of my pastor's favorite lines...the way he puts it is that you ask an atheist if they know everything, of course they say no. You ask them if they know half of everything, they say no. You ask them if it is possible that God exists in the half of everything which they do not know, and if they say no there is no hope for them because they think they know everything they need to know, and nothing else matters to them. If they say it is possible that God exists in some unknown realm, as God he must be the same in all possible realms including the one we experience as reality. I think the whole point of A's reasoning is simply to show that if a person thinks it is possible for God to exist, He must exist. Atheism is simply putting up a wall against possibility. It seems to me that the logic of all this is true, and not an argument. Most theists do not have a personal relationship with God and never will. They simply believe it is possible that God is there, or they believe He is there. You, sir, are an entity which cannot be seen physically, cannot be heard physically, cannot be touched physically. For anybody to see, hear, or touch you there must be a physical intermediary. Your body is the intermediary for you to experience physical touch, sound, sight....God loves you in there, and you can only know Him by love. Love is immaterial, to know God is to know His love which exceeds yours as He loves His enemies, including you. Side: Apparently, Yes
It's actually about both....SaintNow talks so much like the guy in the video when he's not being pulled down to the level of haters and telling them why their behavior is hateful and worthy of hate, I wonder if anybody notices who is really who here. Why would the guy in the video admit coming to this website? How in the world would he find time to be here as much as I am here? The main point here is to get people to watch the video and discuss the points. You have made the only comment indicating that anybody watched the video and I think you really summed it up fairly well. Side: Apparently, Yes
SaintNow talks so much like the guy in the video You have never once made an argument. when he's not being pulled down to the level of haters and telling them why their behavior is hateful and worthy of hate, I wonder if anybody notices who is really who here. You are the most worthy of hate on this website based on your own criteria. Why would the guy in the video admit coming to this website? He wouldn't because he actually makes arguments. How in the world would he find time to be here as much as I am here? His arguments aren't original. He could spend all of his time here. main point here is to get people to watch the video and discuss the points You don't actually understand the arguments in the video. You just heard him say intellectual suicide and got happy. You have made the only comment indicating that anybody watched the video and I think you really summed it up fairly well. I agree. Side: Apparently, Yes
Figured you would get your buttons pushed and revert to your old behavior and not discuss the video...I knew you would because you actually said something indicating that you watched and understood the video and I agreed with your assessment. You can't be in any agreement with me, can you now? I think you need to find a way to retract your assessment of the video. Side: Apparently, Yes
Figured you would get your buttons pushed and revert to your old behavior and not discuss the video. You pretending to be someone doesn't push my buttons. I knew you would because you actually said something indicating that you watched and understood the video and I agreed with your assessment. You can't be in agreement with me, can you now? You can't be in any agreement with me, can you now? I think you need to find a way to retract your assessment of the video. Why? I am the only one who watched it. Side: Apparently, Yes
Wood in a funny way explains how the religion of Naturalism/atheism is actually intellectual suicide, and at the end of the video only by gesturing does he imply it is actually physical suicide. SaintNow insists Atheism is literally suicide.....they both reach the same conclusion but Wood focuses on reason while Now focuses on belief.....but they still could be the same guy because they obviously are so much in agreement with each other. Side: No Way
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You're so smart that you think, All atheists are the same person All theists are the same person And probably All agnostics are the same person All deities are the same person All animals are the same person All plants are the same person All planets are the same person All stars are the same person All other sky-things are the same person And finally, All persons are the same person Side: Apparently, Yes
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What can begun? What or who is "what can", what did it begin to do when it begun? What can begun with shiny points? When did what can begin to do what with shiny points? When you try to be antagonistic and disruptive, your nonsensical beliefs cause your grammar to be nonsensical. Side: Apparently, Yes
Try watching the video to see if you can understand it....the guy is very good with His English skills and talks pretty fast, so it might be over your head just because it moves quickly, but why don't you give it a shot, anyways, and see if you can actually post comments responding to what is said in the video. But if that's too much to ask of you, just keep posting here anyways. Thank you. It might help you follow the quick speaking if you keep in mind that I have said much of the same things said in the video many times on this site...don't know if you read any of it....most all I can remember of you is that you overuse the words "idiot" and "illiterate", and you threaten to hurt me and/or other people. Did you know you can be put in jail just for making a threat, even if you area joking? Side: Apparently, Yes
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Did you know you can be put in jail just for making a threat, even if you area joking? Yes, I do. It comes under cyber bullying. If it psychologically harms you, then that'd mean problem for me. Though not for joking. And you'll have to travel overseas to sue me, not to mention it won't be a very feasible method even if you didn't have to travel. Unlike you, I know the laws well, as well as the international implications. You can't be punished just like that, for joking. Side: No Way
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As to whatever I have said, there are no other online records for either it or any records for my capability to do so or any bad thing. I'm officially a religious person right now, because of some little formalities. The best you'd achieve by spending so much money is to make me give an answer to relatives why I joked about that - I was playing the Antichrist. Side: No Way
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While you, on the other hand, are old and anonymous. Both of these are not very favourable conditions to be bullied by someone on the opposite end. Not to mention that you won't be doing such a thing in the first place, even if the conditions were all in your favour. You trust your God too much to want to screw me, though not enough to bet your soul. Side: No Way
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You know people in Hell are referred to as worms? You sure are squirming now. Are you going to watch the video and offer some intelligent and constructive comments on it or not? Yes or no. If you don't answer yes, and watch the video and offers your intelligent and constructive comments I assume your answer will be no. Side: Apparently, Yes
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So you are familiar with David Wood? The idea here is to get people to watch and discuss the video. If you can't do that, you'll probably get banned. In this debate, I was tolerant of people who usually get banned quickly. I was hoping to get intelligent comments about things said or the story told in the video. I have watched this video in it's entirety three or four times, it's excellent cinematography capturing the emotional movements of the true life story told......and a fascinating story. You don't have to be rude if you are not interested in watching or participating. I'd prefer not to ban you. Side: Apparently, Yes
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