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 Is Scott Walker REALLY Helping Wisc . ? (27)

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Is Scott Walker REALLY Helping Wisc . ?

There are comercials saying he's helping , then right after , their saying hes not helping .

What do YOU think is really going on ?

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The attacks on Scott Walker have been some of the most idiotic ones I've ever seen.

Wisconsin needs to fix their economy and spending quick or else things are going to get much much worse.

Scott Walker is very pro-union, always has been. the only difference is that he's not so pro-union that he's willing to let the State fall into chaos for the sake of making sure that unions maintain the disgusting amount of power they always have (or even worse, like his opponents, give them even more strength).

The people attacking Scott Walker have basically been lying to the public.

Not that Scott Walker is good, per se, but his opponents are liars and have far worse policies. Scott Walker seems to be a lesser of two evils.

iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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It's another case of tranferring power and influence from the many, to the few.

The less power unions have the less power all of those workers within a company have, and the more powerful the very few stockholders have. I'd argue this small group already has more power and decreasing the influence of the many even further is anti-democratic.

ThePyg(6743) Disputed
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Your personal views on Unions doesn't have much to do with this topic.

As stated, Walker is pro-union.

The only difference is that Walker is proposing plans to fix the current economic problems in the State, and part of this is to not give the Unions more power.

He's done practically nothing to hurt Unions. he's done some things to allow healthcare associates to compete to provide for Unions, and even if it's unfavorable (which to his opponents trying to take power, they'll convince you it is), it would save millions of dollars for companies and public sector employers, which actually saves the very jobs that Union workers have.

The little amount of arguments directed towards Scott Walker can actually be used to show that the man is helping Unions.

GeneralLee(134) Disputed
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You use the word democratic like you don't know what it means. Having the government step in and regulate businesses is anti-democratic. In fact government mandated businesses is text book communism. It's funny how your entire statement is completely contradictory. "It is anti-democratic for the government NOT to step in and regulate businesses." Can't you see the entire statement is completely contradictory? Your argument falls flat on it's face.

Tampering with the free, capitalist system is anti-democratic. If you don't like your pay, go work somewhere else. If you don't like your business' ethics or practices, go work somewhere else. Nobody pointed a gun at your head and said, "Work at this specific place of employment or else I will blow your brains out." You chose to work there so you have nobody to blame but yourself. And what about the American dream? If I go to college and get a Ph.D, and start my own business, why can't I benefit from the profits? I worked my way up to the top, I should enjoy the benefits of the work that I have done.

The only person who has control over your situation is you. It's your choice to make as little or as much as you want. You don't want to go to college? Fine, but then be prepared to deal with having lesser wages than someone who has gone to college. That's your fault, and not anybody else's fault.

And I know people who have said things like, "Oh, but I'm not good at math or science, so I can't get a college degree." First of all, there is no such thing as being "good" or "bad" at Mathematics. True some people can be more efficient than others, but we all have the ability to be good at math. The real issue is whether or not you are too LAZY to learn math. This was proven by Dr. Jaeggi's Dual-N-Back study that shows that fluid intelligence can actually be increased. This means that there is no such thing as a person who is "bad" at math because that same person's fluid intelligence can be increased. So the real issue here is whether you are lazy or not. And most American's are too lazy to go to college or do a decent days work, so they don't get raises.

Like I said, it's your decision to get paid well or not. Just don't be lazy, simple as that. If you work hard enough, in time, you will be rewarded for your hard work. I've never known a rich man who didn't become rich through hard work, whether it was earning that college degree that helped him to become a CEO, or whether it was his determination in starting that business for himself. You lefty liberals should know this, after all one of your own, Kohl, used to own Kohl's clothing department stores. Kinda funny you don't call him a fat cat.

It is really simple, probably both are telling lies. WHY? It is politics. There is no objectivity to politics.

GeneralLee(134) Clarified
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Nicely put. But I kinda think it's a little deeper than no objectivity. Maybe they just care about their own selfish desires?

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Walker works for the wealthy. He has been bought and paid for. This kind of corruption should be labeled treason.

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The way i see it the Democrats are holding the Recal election because they are mad at him for fixing Wisconsin not they way they wanted him to.

I personlay thing the Whole country needs a make over. To many big heads in it for the cash and all they seem to do is debate and get nothing done.

He's repealed the Equal Pay for Women Law.

He's strongly against abortion.

He's great friends with Koch, too friendly, many claim.

He's signed the Norquist pledge - refusing to raise taxes in any situation, whilst cutting education funding, and only cutting taxes for the rich or businesses. While the pledge itself isn't completely bad, even with his massive cuts, Wisconsin's still in a 3.6 billion USD deficit, cutting his options like that is unwise.

His voter suppression laws have been ruled unconstitutional.

He backs the Arizona immigration laws.

So yes, overall, I would say that he is not helping Wisconsin. He's really just an extremist Republican, so this debate is no more than a Rep v Dem debate.

GeneralLee(134) Disputed
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"He backs the Arizona immigration laws."

Well, why are you for illegal immagration? What benefit does illegal immagration bring?

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Don't know who is it looking someone who is online I have a problem with my man need help

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I believe he is, but there are many who don't. Is is a pivotal race tomorrow. If Scott Walker wins, then Obama likely loses in November. If Scott Walker loses, then we are all screwed as Obama will likely win in November. It is like waiting to see if the groundhog sees his shadow!

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i only have one word about this it's N-O no! nonononononnonono

I think Scott Walker is hindering Wisconsin and I think it is a big mistake for him to announce that he is going to run for President in 2016.

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Well, Scott Walker's been recorded in a meeting with one of his billionaire donors that he is taking a divide and conquer approach to getting rid of Wisconsin unions.

Most of his legislation has been aimed at weakening unions.

Nearly all of the donations to his campaign, which buy these commercials, are from out of state and large corporations that think they can make more money by firing more people and paying them less.

So, if you think giving a few people more money (heads of corporations in and out of state) while cutting wages and firing the poor and middle class is a good idea, then he's helping.

If you think people should be paid fairly, and that a strong middle class is essential for a strong economy, his recall is very much justified.

GeneralLee(134) Disputed
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Well, do you really think government unions are good? Do you think that by pouring more money into the educational system, it will get better? It won't! This is proven by the fact that our nation's top schools are all PRIVATE. And how come the worst schools in America are public? (I mention this since the first unions he busted up where public teachers unions.)

And as for private unions, what's the point? Why do you need more money? How much money will make you happy? The answer is simply none. The fact is, the very thing you accuse the rich of doing is the very thing you do. You claim, "Oh the rich are just a bunch of greedy tight wads who can't let go of their money." But the fact still remains that YOU are just as greedy. To claim you are not would be a direct contradiction of what you are saying. People should be content with their wages and not be trying to spend it all on the latest smart phone, or 50" TVs made in China. If you don't want the rich to be rich, QUIT BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS!

And that's another thing. You greedy dummies are so greedy, you can't see your jobs going overseas because of your absolutely outrageous demands for more money, when you should just learn to be content. No you DON'T need a new laptop. No you DON'T need $80 Abercrombie jeans, the $10 ones do the job just fine. But no, you just spend, spend, spend, and on top of that spending, have the audacity to demand more pay. In fact, it's so bad, that almost half of Americans spend MORE that what they bring in.

And the left has this "class war" about how bad the credit companies and banks are treating people, when THE PEOPLE HUNG THEMSELVES. Nobody stuck a gun at your head, said "Go apply for this credit card and buy a 50" TV, a new car, and an unlimited smart phone plan." That was YOUR choice. Now YOU should have to deal with the folly of YOUR decision.

So is Scott Walker REALLY Helping Wisconsin? YES, he is. It's about time people learn to take responsibility for their actions, and STOP relying in the government to bail them out. Oh and I know what you are going to say. But big companies and the rich get bailed out too. Well whose fault is that? Tell me, whose fault it that? YOURS of course! YOU elected in a President that has bailed out every company for any reason from GM to Solyndra. So if you want to find the bad guy in this political mess, GO LOOK IN A MIRROR.

I am proud that Walker is finally cutting taxes and government services. It's about time people learned to provide for themselves and NOT to rely on the government.

iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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Well, do you really think government unions are good? Do you think that by pouring more money into the educational system, it will get better? It won't! This is proven by the fact that our nation's top schools are all PRIVATE. And how come the worst schools in America are public? (I mention this since the first unions he busted up where public teachers unions.)

Private schools have more money. It would stand to reason then from your own example that paying teachers better and providing supplies does indeed improve schools. Why those we trust to teach children should get paid less than those we trust to pick up the garbage once a week is a mystery the right wing I don't believe will ever be able to explain.

And as for private unions, what's the point? Why do you need more money? How much money will make you happy? The answer is simply none. The fact is, the very thing you accuse the rich of doing is the very thing you do. You claim, "Oh the rich are just a bunch of greedy tight wads who can't let go of their money." But the fact still remains that YOU are just as greedy. To claim you are not would be a direct contradiction of what you are saying. People should be content with their wages and not be trying to spend it all on the latest smart phone, or 50" TVs made in China. If you don't want the rich to be rich, QUIT BUYING THEIR PRODUCTS!

You are putting words in my mouth and completely mis-representing my position, I never complained about the rich nor said people should not be able to become rich. I do however think that people should have every right to collectively determine their own worth in the workplace. No one forced unions to form, they formed organically and cooperatively from necessity due to unfair, dangerous, and underpaid working conditions. Fascinating how you immediately attack me because you imagined I was attacking the rich for being rich, but in the same breath complain of the greed of the middle class. Good puppy, go lick your corporate master's heels some more ><

And that's another thing. You greedy dummies are so greedy, you can't see your jobs going overseas because of your absolutely outrageous demands for more money, when you should just learn to be content. No you DON'T need a new laptop. No you DON'T need $80 Abercrombie jeans, the $10 ones do the job just fine. But no, you just spend, spend, spend, and on top of that spending, have the audacity to demand more pay. In fact, it's so bad, that almost half of Americans spend MORE that what they bring in.

And corporate CEOs don't need jets. What's your point? Despite rampant right-wing propoganda debt is not the cause of economic woes. In as much as it is debt is, which is little, it is more the result of a lack of regulation regarding housing and credit cards, but again, not the main problem. The problem is the vast majority of Americans, the lower 80% of us, are working harder for less money, and thus do not have money to spend on these things you mention, the buying of which is what drives job growth.

And the left has this "class war" about how bad the credit companies and banks are treating people, when THE PEOPLE HUNG THEMSELVES. Nobody stuck a gun at your head, said "Go apply for this credit card and buy a 50" TV, a new car, and an unlimited smart phone plan." That was YOUR choice. Now YOU should have to deal with the folly of YOUR decision.

Class war has been waged since the 80's when the top 1 to 10 percent began consolidating wealth as the rest have been making less despite working more. The difference is the left has the audacity to point it out and fight back.

So is Scott Walker REALLY Helping Wisconsin? YES, he is. It's about time people learn to take responsibility for their actions, and STOP relying in the government to bail them out. Oh and I know what you are going to say. But big companies and the rich get bailed out too. Well whose fault is that? Tell me, whose fault it that? YOURS of course! YOU elected in a President that has bailed out every company for any reason from GM to Solyndra. So if you want to find the bad guy in this political mess, GO LOOK IN A MIRROR.

GM is now the most successful car maker in the world and the economy has improved every single month since Obama was elected, this after seven years of destruction thanks to Republican bright ideas. Thanks to Clinton, a democrat, Bush, a republican, was given the best economy in U.S. history. Republicans squandered it, and now after three and a half years of steady growth you want to blame Obama? That's just retarded.

I am proud that Walker is finally cutting taxes and government services. It's about time people learned to provide for themselves and NOT to rely on the government.

You rely on government. Roads, schools, military, water, mail, etc. Many things only government can provide efficiently because for many things a for-profit system is not ideal.