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Is Virgin Mary Really A Virgin When She Had Jesus?

I believe in Godly miracles. I do want to say that she is a virgin. I guess i created this debate on two notes....some parts of me is skeptical. And i want to know what you guys think.

Virgin Mary

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Mary

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Hello.

I would like to really deliver and drive the point home concerning the fact that Roman Catholics and Muslims seem to have no concern or interest whatsoever in the real and MAIN reason that Mary was chosen. The words of The Angel are completely and totally ignored by both Catholics and Muslims.

Catholics and Muslims narrow in and tunnel vision and focus in on the virginity of Mary, they pretend that Mary was guarding, protecting and safekeeping and preserving Her virginity and chastity. When the fact is that Her own virginity was not mentioned as being important to Her own personal plans - NOR - was the subject of keeping one's virginity even mentioned by the Angel { as anything concerning any importance for any reason as for why she was even chosen }

The Muslim and Catholic prayer and writings are never mentioning and focusing and prioritizing or glorifying the MAIN reason and purpose that The Angel Himself had declared " was the REAL focus " and point of Mary being chosen to give birth to Yahoshua.

In Luke - The angel is telling Mary directly the very important details about the child and why she was chosen.

Yet I have never once heard a Catholic or a Muslim ever mention or glorify or rejoice or indoctrinate the words of The Angel.

Please notice - Luke 1:31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Yahoshua. 32He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: :33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever; and of his kingdom, there shall be no end.

This - is what the focus of Gods message, dictated through His Angel.

Yet Catholics and Muslims do not focus a moment of a second on any of these words from the Angel.

And, Yes, there is no question whatsoever that the Greek New Testament says that Mary was very favored, very, very graced and gifted and specially chosen to receive the gift, joy and the grace of God. BUT The part of Her virginity was not the main focus of anything throughout the entire gospels. It was only mentioned twice in reference of the Old Testament Prophecy.

The reason that She was chosen was that She was a direct descendant of the line of King David - as the Angel and of the Old Testament Prophecy declared and focused upon. Yet neither the Quran nor the Vatican doctrines have ever made this important in their message in any capacity. Instead, Catholics and Muslims harp, dwell, focus, tunnel vision and CENTER IN upon the lie and bogus claim that Mary was somehow protecting and safeguarding and hogging and hoarding as a determination in Her MIND, GOALS and SOLE PURPOSE, to KEEP Her virginity, when the Bible says that Her virginity was not what she was planning as the Angel was commanding Joseph to don’t be afraid and to go ahead with their Marriage plan.

Mary was planning sex, planning marriage.

The Angel never commanded Joseph to abstain from having sex with Mary and to hold off and wait until the baby was birthed. According to what we know about The Angel's command - Joseph could have gone ahead and married and had sexual relations with Mary before the birth if He had wanted to - The Angel told Him it was ok to take her at that point - as a wife - as was the marriage plan. !

The Prophecy was that a Virgin would conceive - Not that a Virgin would give birth. There was nothing important about Mary remaining and preserving Her virginity neither in the eyes the Mary nor in the command of the Angel of God. Gabriel. What Roman Catholics do, is focus in on tiny phrases and words and attempt to change their meanings in order to re- write and over - ride and downplay the rest of the storyline.

Side: Virgin Mary
2 points

If a female claimed she got pregnant and gave birth while being a virgin.... I'm going to claim that she's lying because she doesn't want her town to think she's a slut or whore for having sex outside of marriage, an arranged relationship or any other type of strict relationship/marriage rule.

Side: mary
2 points

I'm not seeing how this would have been possible... if Mary did exist and did give birth to Jesus... she was messin' around with someone.

Side: mary
1 point

It says in the Bible she married Joseph and then the angel Gabriel told her that she was going to have a son and name it Jesus and thats was when Joseph was still her husband.

Side: mary
riahlize(1573) Disputed
1 point

Wrong, Mary was pledged to be married to Joesph, she had not married him yet. And when the Gabriel tells her to name the baby Jesus, she asks how can she conceive because she's a virgin.

Side: mary