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Debate Score:51
Arguments:49
Total Votes:54
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Is Yeshua the God of the Bible?


Yes.

Side Score: 32
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No.

Side Score: 19

Yup. Elijah and Moses went to the same exact mountain peak to meet with the Lord, and Moses had a lit up face. Jesus at the transfiguration was with both and had a lit up face, an obvious quantum leap as per the space time continuim.

2)Jesus displays the wrath of the lamb in Revelation. No different than the plagues and wrath of the OT.

3)He accepted worship.

4)He was there in the beginning. 1 John

5)He and the Father are one. I did a debate called "the trinity isn't hard to understand" on this site that demonstrates why the thought is pretty simple really.

6)The OT prophets always heard the voice of God from the sky or in a dream. Saul heard the voice of the Lord from the sky. He asked who the Lord was. He said "Jesus". John saw Jesus as God in his dream.

Side: Yes.
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He and the Father are one. I did a debate called "the trinity isn't hard to understand" on this site that demonstrates why the thought is pretty simple really.

And I showed how that experiment is dismissed.

He was there in the beginning. 1 John

Christus was the word?

The OT prophets always heard the voice of God from the sky or in a dream. Saul heard the voice of the Lord from the sky. He asked who the Lord was. He said "Jesus". John saw Jesus as God in his dream.

Seeing someone as God in a dream isn't that hard to explain.

Side: No.
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Not really. There is no way to dismiss a theoretical proposition. It's like God, you'll have to actually provide us evidence, links, sources, and pull a rabbit out of your tail or no one from the other side will care. And even then... they probably won't care.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Jesu Christu was the word according to Himself, the Old Testament, and the rest of the Bible.

Side: Yes.
1 point

It's hard to explain when millions of Muslims start seeing him in dreams at the same time. Google it.

Side: Yes.
Atrag(5666) Disputed
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Congratulations! I am proud to announce you are the winner of the prize for worst attempt at proving you are a Christian in the history of Createdebate.com !

Side: No.
1 point

1)What, are you claming a "real Christian" has some moral highground? I'll put that in my thesis.

2)I'm not a good Christian, nor do I claim to be. I'm actually a filthy animal.

3)What you actually mean is, it's easier and more "atheist friendly" when the other side acts like "real Christians", per your definition, because they don't say anything back or oppose Atheism.

4)You are off topic.

Side: Yes.

The Bible also states that all things were created by Him (Jesus) and for Him, and without Him was not anything made that was made. I'm no braniac, but it doesn't take a genius to figure this out. It's like basic math. Which makes me wonder about those who refuse to see the obvious. Is there a correlation between this and basic math skills? Someone should research this. Could be interesting. ")

Side: Yes.
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I hope you are not thinking that you invented Christian theology and religious studies, but considering your intellect, I wouldn't be surprised.

Side: No.

On coming to the house, they saw the child with his mother Mary, and they bowed down and worshiped him. Then they opened their treasures and presented him with gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. MATTHEW 2:11

Side: Yes.

Thomas literally calls Jesus God. Jesus doesn't reject the notion.

Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!" JOHN 20:28

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Side: Yes.

THE VOICE FROM HEAVEN

He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?" ACTS 9:4

"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked. "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. ACTS 9:5

Side: Yes.

For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body. COLLOSIANS 2:9

Side: Yes.

AND MUCH MUCH MUCH MORE. ENJOY.

http://biblereasons.com/jesus-is-god/

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes, Jesus is God, alongside the Father, and the Holy Spirit. One being (Yahweh), three persons (Father, Son, Spirit). Jesus brought the people out of Egypt, which is well known story attributed to God. “Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterwards destroyed those who did not believe” (Jude 1:5, ESV).

There are roughly 95 verses in the Bible signifying that the “LORD” brought people out of Egypt. Here are some:

Deuteronomy 20:1, "When you go out to war against your enemies, and see horses and chariots and an army larger than your own, you shall not be afraid of them, for the LORD your God is with you, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt.”

Deuteronomy 24:9, “Remember what the LORD your God did to Miriam on the way as you came out of Egypt.”

Deuteronomy 26:8, “And the LORD brought us out of Egypt with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm, with great deeds of terror, with signs and wonders.”

Deuteronomy 29:25, “Then people will say, 'It is because they abandoned the covenant of the LORD, the God of their fathers, which he made with them when he brought them out of the land of Egypt,”

Joshua 24:17, “for it is the LORD our God who brought us and our fathers up from the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery, and who did those great signs in our sight and preserved us in all the way that we went, and among all the peoples through whom we passed.”

Judges 2:12 (a), “And they abandoned the LORD, the God of their fathers, who had brought them out of the land of Egypt.”

Jude v. 5 states that Jesus is the one who did this. Therefore Jesus is God. Some may question the rendering of this verse in the ESV, however, manuscript evidence proves that it is a long overdue rendering. Nestle and Aland in their Greek Text, Novum Testament Graece (27, 28 editions) agree as we can see in their rendering of verse 5 in Jude, "Ὑπομνῆσαι δὲ ὑμᾶς βούλομαι, εἰδότας ὑμᾶς ἅπαξ πάντα ὅτι Ἰησοῦς (Jesus) λαὸν ἐκ γῆς Αἰγύπτου σώσας τὸ δεύτερον τοὺς μὴ πιστεύσαντας ἀπώλεσε".

Most of the early witnesses contain this text opposed to the commonly rendered "Lord" (Kyrios; which also refers to Jesus in a lot of instances) including; A, B, 33, 81, 1241, 1739, 1881, 2344, pc, vg, co, Or1739mg, 88, 322, 323, 424c, 665, 915, 2298, eth, Cyr, Hier, Bede (all can me examined here: http://www.csntm.org...))

More well known manuscripts that contain this are; P72, Codex Vaticanus, Codex Alexandrinus, the Bohairc Copic, and the Latin Vulgate all have a rendering indicating "Jesus" (while P72 says God Christ).

P72’s rendering is very intriguing within itself, as it would be known as God the Anointed, or God the Messiah. The Latin Vulgate was the people’s bible for many centuries after being translated by Jerome.

Side: Yes.

Nope. The God of the Bible is only the "Father".

"No one goes to the Father except through me" - This shows that his role was one of a prophet.

He declined to even be called good when some didn't consider him to be the God. Biblical God, on the other hand, would have killed those people in a stunt.

"Forgive them, father, for they know not what they are doing" - Another quote that makes it clear that he didn't consider himself God.

Side: No.
1 point

1)He didn't claim to be a prophet in the Bible. He claimed to be much more than that. The Pharisees didn't accuse him of blasphemy because he claimed to be a prophet.

2)He declined to be called good, because the person he was talking to assumed he was a normal man and didn't know he was the Son of God, so the characterization was a false assessment to Christ, knowing the man didn't know who he even was.

3)He seemed to consider himself God when he accepted worship, the Old Testament calls the messiah "God", he goes by the title "the Lord", the title of God in the OT, and it is his voice that calls out to Saul. He even tells Saul his exact name.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Nope.

"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." ISAIAH 9:6

Side: Yes.

But if God paid the price for our sins, whom did he pay it to?

Side: No.
1 point

He's beyond space and time, so one persona (the human) paid his other persona (the Father). Same being living in 2 different times and realities, much like a computer game programmer isn't in the game, yet can be if he wants. In Back to the future there are 3 Marty Mcflys, yet they are the exact same being. They could have played chess with each other, started a football team, and even went back and raised themselves as children. Still one Marty Mcfly.

Side: Yes.

What then did you go out to see? A prophet? Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. MATTHEW 11:9

Side: Yes.
1 point

Back to the future does not contain omnipotent timeless entities.

3 of him being was based on the fact that he wasn't timeless.

Side: No.