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Is abortion murder?

People everyday are aborting their babies. Is this right?

Yes

Side Score: 9
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No

Side Score: 6
3 points

People believe that newborn babies aren't really "persons". Here is why they are:

The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution says that the state shall not deprive any person of life without due process of law. When that was written, the word human meant the same thing as person and could just as easily have been used.

But in Roe v. Wade, the U.S. Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion in the United States, the Court was faced with a conundrum. “If the suggestion of personhood [of the unborn] is established,” they admitted, “the appellant’s [pro-abortion] case, of course, collapses, for the fetus’s right to life is then guaranteed specifically by the [fourteenth] amendment.”[ii]

To solve this problem, the justices chose to abandon the historic meaning of personhood, and instead suggested that “personhood” is something different from being human. “Personhood” became something that a human being develops at some point, based upon some set of criteria. In the Supreme Court’s case, they argued that a human fetus develops personhood at the point of “viability”—i.e. the point when a baby can live outside a woman.

In the years that have followed, pro-choice advocates have made a long series of subjective and artificial distinctions based upon a wide variety of criteria to differentiate between humans and persons. The reason they’ve been forced to do this is because the scientific fact that life begins at conception paints the pro-choice movement into a corner. The development of ultrasound and modern embryology has made it very difficult for pro-choicers to deny that the fetus is human without looking anti-scientific. Therefore, the newer strategy is to say, “Okay, this is human life, but it isn’t really a person.”

But changing the meaning of words doesn’t change reality. The concept of “personhood” is now virtually worthless as an ethical guide in the matter of abortion. The only objective questions we can ask are:

“Is it human; that is, did it come from human beings?”

“Is it a genetically unique individual?”

“Is it alive and growing?”

If the answers are yes, then “it” is in fact a “he” or “she,” a living person, possessing rights and deserving of legal protection.

Dictionaries still define person as a “human being,” “human individual,” or “member of the human race.” What makes a dog a dog is that he came from dogs. His father was a dog and his mother was a dog, and therefore he is a dog. What makes a human a human is that he came from humans. His father was a human person and his mother was a human person, so he can be nothing other than a human person.

Side: Yes

You are of course correct. Here is the scientific proof that the unborn baby is obviously a human life. These same hypocrites who always quote so called evolutionary science when running down Christianity, they choose to ignore science when it does not agree with their inhumanity towards innocent life.

https://lozierinstitute.org/a-scientific-view-of-when-life-begins/

Side: Yes
1 point

Of course abortion is murder....it's "kill the child before it's born".

Side: Yes
Eloy(190) Disputed
2 points

A child does not exist before birth.

Historically, birth has been seen as the beginning, not conception.

Side: No
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

That's about the stupidest thing I have ever heard. You could have been killed in your mother's womb and you would not be here. It was you in there from the moment you were conceived. You were conceived at conception, not at birth.

I guess you just think it's okay to kill babies before they are born....a cold blooded murderer.

Side: Yes

This is what pro abortion supporters do to deceive the public & hide the inhumanity of their policies.

1) Steer the abortion conversation to life of mother & rape pregnancies, to Zygotes & first trimester abortions, all to deflect what they really support which is No Restriction abortions of all babies, even viable babies for any reason up to birth. This is the first thing pro choice people do. The GOP has allowed extreme case exceptions since abortion was legalized yet we still hear every day about these extreme rare cases. Lie, deceive, exaggerate, etc. all to condition the electorate to think the GOP wil deny these extreme case abortions.(by the way, rape pregnancies can be prevented within a day or two with a doctor visit)

2) They talk about the medical name of an unborn Baby..... Fetus. By using the name Fetus, they somehow believe it changes the status of the life growing inside the mother. Somehow in their thinking, a Baby that has not yet traveled through the birth canal is somehow different than it is after it is has moved down that canal. WOW, TALK ABOUT DENIAL!

3) They talk about the supposed hard life these unwanted children will have if allowed to live. So in all their God like powers, they know the future of every Baby aborted? How many great people have come from poverty or foster homes, etc.? To be so arrogant to allow the deaths of innocent life because of some perceived hard life is beyond diabolical.

4) Pro choice people like to say they do not personally believe in abortion, but would afford other's the choice to end the lives of their unborn Babies. Gee, how nice of them. I always wonder how a person who personally believes that aborting his own Baby is wrong because it is ending a human life, can support allowing other babies to die. HYPOCRITE PHONEY!

5) After all the scare tactics and deceptions, their next step is to lie and say they do not support late term abortions for any reason. They refuse to accept accountability for supporting all late term abortions of even viable babies every time they vote for Democrats who support it.

6) The Democrat Party and the Left even supports killing viable special needs babies, for any reason up to birth, for merely being different from them. That's like the Nazi mentality where we only want blond haired blue eyed people being born in Germany. In all their arrogance, they will deem who is deservng of life. Where is all their talk about diversity, inclusiveness, compassion? I guess these special olympic children actully mean nothing to them. Their lives are disposable.

I am not here trying to judge any woman who has had an abortion. I'm trying to bring humanity back to our nation by protecting our most innocent vulnerable lives.

Side: Yes
2 points

Only a person can be murdered. A person begins life at birth.

Side: No
1 point

No It Has No Thoughts NO anything accept a mom A New born only knows how to suck literally so it would never know about you or the world so how do you think it is murder it has not even formed yet it is not murder it is alive but not functioning at all

Side: No
achilles_(51) Disputed
2 points

Well of course it has no thoughts because it is a new born, but it's still a human being. And yes, it is murder, because you are literally KILLING A HUMAN BEING. And actually it is alive and functioning, it just has no knowledge because, like I said, it's a new born. It's like saying I have the right to kill an autistic person because they aren't "functioning." Even if it hasn't fully formed in the womb, it's still a human being.

Side: Yes