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Is abortion wrong?

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Side Score: 26
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No

Side Score: 52
2 points

How many times do pro choice people who even support late term abortions on demand when they vote Democrat, say that it is but one issue and other issues are more important. Tell me what issue in this world is more important than protecting innocent life. Would you have been like the German's who supported the Nazi party because of issues more important than the minor issue of killing Jews? Can you even grasp the utter diabolical nature of such a position?

I wonder if you would ever contemplate voting for a politician who was a member of the KKK. Now yes, this politician is a racial bigot who dislikes Black people, but you agree with him on most other issues. This is the logic of supposedly personally pro life people who vote for Democrats. Now you tell me why his racism towrds Black people is any worse than a Politician who supports late term abortions on demand. I contend that killing an innocent life is even worse than being a racist, but not in your phoney world.

In your phoney world being a racist speaks to the kind of person he is deep inside but when it comes to keeping late term abortions on demand legal, this does not speak to who this politician is inside. I mean the people who excuse their inhumanity when they vote for these pro abortion polticians are unbelievable.

Side: Yes
2 points

First off we all know that you know abortion is taking a living growing human being's life. The excuses that help you live with your inhumanity usually start out with the mention of Zygotes and in that way suggesting you are only supporting the removal of a few cells.

As the debate continues, you start speaking of 1st trimester abortions where you say the Baby can not feel pain.

Then you say a woman has a right to her own body. I agree, but she has no right to kill the other body inside if her. The baby's body?

Then the typical life of mother and rape excuse for abortions. The GOP has always alowed these exceptions when trying to come up with compromises to prevent the vast vast majority of abortions on demand. The GOP has tried many times to limit abortions to 20 weeks(except in extreme cases) only to have Democrats stop them. NO COMPROMISE!

Also, conception can be prevented from rape by going to the doctors and taking a pill a few days after a rape. You don't hear much about that fact.

After you are shown that late term abortions on demand are legal in many states, you say you only support extreme cases of late term abortions.

After you are shown that the Democrat party or other Left wing parties support late term abortions for any reason, you say you are not a registered Democrat.

If you ever do finally admit voting for Democrats, you say you are not a one issue voter.

After I ask you what voting issue is more important than innocent life, you take it to the next step of how Pro life people supposedly do not care for Babies after they are born. They never have any proof how pro life people do not care for Babies after they are born but it is their programmed response. I guess they have to twist the facts and lie to themselves to justify the inhumanity they support.

They even go so far as to play God and say the Baby is better off dead rather than living a potencial hard life. Lets see.... a potencial hard life, or death. Hmmmmmm..... and they have the arrogant Godlike nerve to thnk a decision of that magnitude should be someone's choice to make.

Then after I show you how 177 out of 182 Democrats voted to allow a Baby born alive after a botched late term abortion, to die... I never get a response to that one. hmmmmmm

Somewhere in between all those denials and laughble excuses, you will say that there are pro life Democrats. I ask how can you be truly pro life and belong to an extremist radical pro abortion party? The one so called pro life Democrat that was holding up the passage of Obamacare(because it would forced pro life people to pay for abortions), was also bullied and strong armed to cave in and vote for it.

When the debate is finally ended THANKFULLY, I ask myself why do I bother with these liars and deniers. I guess i keep hoping there is one person out there who might actually think about what he supports before pulling that lever.

Side: Yes
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

You should show how much you care about these babies born to mothers that didn't get an abortion and did what you asked by going to an orphanage, grabbing a couple of these kids, feed them, put them through school, sacrifice your education for them, sacrifice your sleep for them, work three jobs for them even before you are ready to.

Side: No
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

I didn't choose into jump in bed with unprotected sex you mindless choicer.

If I had of jumped in bed, I would gladly take responsibiity for my choices and my baby.

Side: Yes
Jacobcoolguy(2428) Clarified
1 point

By the way are you dadman/saintnow?

Side: Yes
FromWithin(8241) Clarified
1 point

No, I am a person who still possess a conscience. When a nation separates our Christian heritage, mankind's values change with the times. Abortion and the sexual revolution are perfect examples of that fact.

Side: Yes
1 point

After I ask you what voting issue is more important than innocent life,

If we assume that abortion is truly the death of innocent life, I think the obvious answer would be any issue that would help protect more innocent lives than banning abortion would.

Side: No

Back in the days of Slavery, they had people who thought just like those supporting Abortion today. People today say they are personally pro life but pro choice for everyone else.

I hope 100 years from now we will look back on this time of killing our unborn Babies, as another dark time in our history, as we did with Slavery.

Back then there were people who would never personally own or kill a Slave, but believed others had the right and "CHOICE" to do so. Sound familiar?

Side: Yes
1 point

Did you know back in the days of slavery many southerners felt they were justified because many people in the bible owned slaves? Sound familiar?

Side: No
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
0 points

Democrats supported slavery just a couple hundred years ago.

The new testament Christian fiath speaks to loving even our enemies and not taking innocent life.

I could care less what false Christians may have done. There is NOTHING in the New Testament that speaks to abusing people. Maybe you are confusing employees and servants with slaves.

Any man that beat and killed slaves was no Christian. God says you will know a Christian by their love.

So tell me, how many Christians do you know that support slavery today? Christians were the main groups of people fighting to stop slavery while the Democrat party fought to keep it legal.

Side: Yes
1 point

The Issue of Abortion isn't grey, its very simple in fact.

Its either a life, or it isn't. If it is a life you have to right to kill it, if it isn't then you can do whatever you want.

Next you have to confirm what a life is, in my opinion I classify life like you would on Mars, a single celled organism is a life.

Next, if you believe that you are a valid human, and that you have rights, when does a Fetus become a valid human?

Changing when a life becomes a life to your own convenience, I find, is very selfish.

Side: Yes
1 point

I don't think its selfish, they're iss enough people in the world and if you don't believe you have the ability to give a child a good life, its your choice to not have the child.

Side: No
1 point

Jacob, you make more sense than these irrational pro-life people that can't even comprehend the long term implications on society and on the mother of an unwanted child. Don't most pro-life people support big oil and dispute the existence of the greenhouse effect?

Side: No
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

With this argument, if you eat meat, you are automatically taking a life. Thus, all pro-life people should be vegetarians if they truly believe taking a life is wrong.

Side: No
1 point

yes abortion is wrong if they would be able to provide for the baby and raise them properly in a good world, then it would just be murder to kill a fetus that was innocent and would remain innocent throughout their life. of course if there's evil in the world then maybe its not the best idea to bring more life into it so abortion wouldn't be as wrong then because the fetus could turn into an evil person.

Side: Yes
1 point

PLEASE READ ENTIRE THING BEFORE YOU GET MAD: What really makes me angry is when a woman willingly has sex with a man and then gets pregnant and then decides to abort the child. you chose to have sex, therefore, you must deal with the consequences of your actions, and it is such a cowardly thing to me to just abort the child because you just had to have sex and get pregnant. I honestly think that a woman shouldnt be going around having sex if she doesnt want a kid. Like there is ALWAYS the risk of getting pregnant no matter the contraceptive. Nothing is 100 percent effective. Now, there are rape and incest cases that are "special cases" but in studies, less than 1% of the women who had an abortion attributed their pregnancy to rape, or any of these "special cases". the overwhelming majority of abortion cases are women who just dont want to deal with the stress of pregnancy. I have a friend who I love dearly but honestly do not agree with her views on this. She has told me that she would abort the child if she got pregnant, because she wants to have sex but she doesnt want kids. She says that she doesnt want to deal with looking fat, and swollen ankles, and basically just going through nine months of "hell" is what she told me, even though you dont even experience all of the effects of pregnancy for the entire nine months. Its so selfish to abort the child because you dont want to get fat for nine months? like why doesnt anyone consider adoption?? Before I get backlash for this, I do want to say that I support abortion for women who are in a situation in which there is NO WAY OUT but I just think abortion should be a LAST LAST resort. Like if the mothers life is in danger or something like that. But just carry the baby to term, and yes it will suck, but it's so worth it to give something a chance at life. I find it funny because liberals are always saying "Gays deserve a chance at life and happiness" and then they are going to deny a potential human being a chance at life because its a fetus? it still has a chance at being something. Even if its not technically "alive" or "human", this lump of cells has a potential to be a human being, and I think its worth all of the morning sickness and fat ankles. There are so many options for adoption, I worked at an adoption agency and I know, there are so many options for mothers who are scared and alone its a really great service! Some will even pay the maternity expenses! I just wish everyone didnt resort to abortion as the only option when there are SO many more options out there.

Side: Yes
1 point

Abortion is definitely wrong. I mean abortion equals to losing a life of someone! How do you feel id your parents abort your sister or sibling or something. Or even worst you! You can just give the fertilised egg to another women who wants a child so badly or just have the kid adopted into another family!

Side: Yes
3 points

It depends on the pregnant woman's beliefs. Since the pregnant woman is the one who will be taking care of the child for the rest of her life, and housing it for 9 months, she is the one who has the most decision making ability of whether she keeps it in her body or not. Furthermore, it will effect her financial situation the most.

Kids that are adopted and are born unwanted have a higher risk of growing up to become criminals, committing suicide, and having mental health issues statistically. Let the woman decide. Not some guy who wrote a religious book, her parents or bf, or a dictator.

It is really none of our business what she decides to do with her body. However, once the child is born, it is totally her responsibility.

Side: No
3 points

I completely agree. A pressing issue that definitely has a big impact on whether an abortion is right or wrong is rape.

Side: No
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

First off we all know that you know abortion is taking a living growing human being's life. The excuses that help you live with your inhumanity usually start out with the mention of Zygotes and in that way suggesting you are only supporting the removal of a few cells.

As the debate continues, you start speaking of 1st trimester abortions where you say the Baby can not feel pain.

Then you say a woman has a right to her own body. I agree, but she has no right to kill the other body inside if her. The baby's body?

Then the typical life of mother and rape excuse for abortions. The GOP has always alowed these exceptions when trying to come up with compromises to prevent the vast vast majority of abortions on demand. The GOP has tried many times to limit abortions to 20 weeks(except in extreme cases) only to have Democrats stop them. NO COMPROMISE!

Also, conception can be prevented from rape by going to the doctors and taking a pill a few days after a rape. You don't hear much about that fact.

After you are shown that late term abortions on demand are legal in many states, you say you only support extreme cases of late term abortions.

After you are shown that the Democrat party or other Left wing parties support late term abortions for any reason, you say you are not a registered Democrat.

If you ever do finally admit voting for Democrats, you say you are not a one issue voter.

After I ask you what voting issue is more important than innocent life, you take it to the next step of how Pro life people supposedly do not care for Babies after they are born. They never have any proof how pro life people do not care for Babies after they are born but it is their programmed response. I guess they have to twist the facts and lie to themselves to justify the inhumanity they support.

They even go so far as to play God and say the Baby is better off dead rather than living a potencial hard life. Lets see.... a potencial hard life, or death. Hmmmmmm..... and they have the arrogant Godlike nerve to thnk a decision of that magnitude should be someone's choice to make.

Then after I show you how 177 out of 182 Democrats voted to allow a Baby born alive after a botched late term abortion, to die... I never get a response to that one. hmmmmmm

Somewhere in between all those denials and laughble excuses, you will say that there are pro life Democrats. I ask how can you be truly pro life and belong to an extremist radical pro abortion party? The one so called pro life Democrat that was holding up the passage of Obamacare(because it would forced pro life people to pay for abortions), was also bullied and strong armed to cave in and vote for it.

When the debate is finally ended THANKFULLY, I ask myself why do I bother with these liars and deniers. I guess i keep hoping there is one person out there who might actually think about what he supports before pulling that lever.

Side: Yes
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

She has every right to take a body she doesn't want inside her body out, despite what you might say. If you want to protect her incubating baby so badly take it out and put it in yourself.

Side: No
Jupiter(116) Disputed
1 point

Actually. Its a clump of cells in the beginning. Then it grows and still has no real sense of being its just there. At that point its basically an extension of the mother and cant survive (threw its own organs) till it separates from the mother, and is technically just cells. Kinda like saying (Save the cancer, or at the most Save the parasitic entity growing inside her)

All subjective, should depend on the mother and father. Not some guy up in an office in Washington.

Side: No
Cartman(18192) Disputed
-1 points

Then after I show you how 177 out of 182 Democrats voted to allow a Baby born alive after a botched late term abortion, to die... I never get a response to that one. hmmmmmm

Who is the liar and the deceiver now? You have gotten a response many times to this deceptive statement.

Side: No

I am pro choice. I don't think the state has the right to tell a person what and what not to do with their body.

Side: No

Abortion is a very unpleasant action. Nobody is thrilled about it. Especially the mothers who have it performed on them.

And us Pro Choice advocates find the matter unpleasant as well. We wish that it was not needed in a perfect society.

But as you know, our world is not perfect. Far from it. Sometimes due to an untenable or hopeless situation in life, a mother must be allowed to terminate her pregnancy. Thus preventing years of suffering on the part of herself and her child.

It is also a very slippery slope when the government or anybody else thinks they can dictate what a woman does with her body. Like forcing hew to give birth! What's next? Forcing her to have a certain amount of kids? Or like China, having only males? Slippery slope. Something Hitler would do, or otter despotic Totalitarian regimes.

Therefore I am Pro Choice. And proud of it. I am a progressive, and Pro Choice is a Progressive stance. Look at the word progressive! Comes from Progress. As in...advancing forward and not stuck to old harmful laws.

Somebody mentioned slavery. I remind this dolt that it was uas Progressives who ended Slavery. Back then, Lincoln was in a Progressive stance on this.

Anti Choicers are Slavery Advocates!! By enslaving the would-be mother to their Demands!!

Pro Choice!!

I am Demon Hunter.

Side: No

It depends on the woman's beliefs, it is THEIR choice. They should at LEAST have the option. If you disagree with abortion, don't do it. It's not your call to make for someone else.

And don't eggs die in our uterus EVERY SINGLE MONTH anyways? What's the difference now? That it's fertilized?

Side: No
0 points

And yet again I get to post a reply which probably offends both sides on this topic...

Is it killing? Yes. I have never bought the not alive at conception argument. You have a chain of events put in place by impregnation and implantation and you are disrupting the chain and discarding of the product of it.

Is the fetus able to feel pain or have a working brain? At some point it is and the rest of you can haggle over that point in time. But hey when a baby is born it already has those things - it's not like a switch gets flipped that turns those on the moment it comes out. It already had them at some point of development in the womb.

Would I have an abortion? No.

If a woman in my family wanted an abortion would I honor her choice? Probably. It depends on whom and why.

Is abortion wrong legally? Not in the USA. The Supreme Court set a precedent which so far has stood for decades. If you don't like it then get a reversal.

Is abortion wrong per religion? Maybe. It depends on a) your chosen religion (but keep in mind we're in a society with freedom of religion and not everyone has to abide by what your particular religion believes), and b) Whether you believe disciples writing scripture thousands of years ago with no medical knowledge whatsoever knew anything about biological childbirth and had any idea whatsoever their blanket statements might apply to unborn babies, and c) it depends on who pays the price for violating what religion taught them. If the mother is willing to answer for the sin then that's between the mother and her God.

What's the rest of the world think about it? (Hey, this does matter, it sets a context for where the preponderance of opinion rests). Well, it's legal and normal practice in the majority of the Western world. It exists but is less tolerated in the the third world. And it's outright banned in less than half a dozen nations - most of which are tiny nations or the highly religious. Truth is if you go by what the world thinks and does then most of the world doesn't think it's wrong.

And after all of that - what do I think and why do I think that? I think it gives women an essential control over their own lives and futures. Women should get to choose. And I think society tolerates and even endorses killing in a wide variety of ways and purposes for the sake of society (self defense, law enforcement, war, in some societies euthanasia, risky medical procedures, etc.) Abortion is just one more form of killing society has chosen to live with - for the sake of civil order. Before there was legal abortion it still happened, just illegally and with greater risks. Making it legal literally civilized a practice and made it safer.

I know the pro-choice folks will be upset by what I wrote. I've had some lecture me that they think there are better arguments, but I don't want their arguments, I'll make my own thank you.

And I know the pro-life folks will be angry at absolutely anything other than an absolute no tolerance ban on any abortions of any kind. That's their opinion. In my opinion they're wrong.

And there you go.

Side: No
FromWithin(8241) Disputed
1 point

As always, pure pro choice rhetoric. You care so much for a woman's choice but the baby has no choice! What about the choice of that unborn female baby?

According to selfish people who want to live promiscuously, but not be burdened by the consequences of creating a life, the baby gets no choice.

Yes, there were illegal abortions before it was legalized. WHAT A SHOCK! NOT!

There were far fewer illegal abortions before legalization, and therefore the law did what it was intended to do....SAVE MANY MILLIONS OF LIVE!

I wonder how many more murders there would be in society if we made it legal to kill born people. Do we still have murderers killing people even though it is illegal? Yes we do so under your ludicrous excuses, we can legalize it to make it safer for the killers regardless how many innocent lives would be saved.

I'm glad I would never have been a potencial grandchild in your family since you probably would have honored my mother's choice to kill me.

Side: Yes
Cartman(18192) Disputed
2 points

We would all honor your mother's choice to kill you now.

Side: No
Ignoramis(381) Disputed
1 point

While we all like girls from broken families who were born to parents that didn't want them (strippers). No, the baby doesn't have a choice. It is the mother's choice before it is born, whether she wants to house it or not.

Something being illegal or legal, doesn't make it wrong.

Statistically speaking, unwanted children are more likely to grow up to be murderers according to behavioral science statistics. If your mother had, had an abortion, she'd probably be more successful right now. You put a stop to progress in her life by being born.

If you had been born when she was more ready, you'd have a better education, more societal status and much more! It is about statistics and the choice of the mother.

Side: No