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When was the last time you saw a cop pulling over a cop for doing 55 in a 45? Or a cop giving a ticket to another cop for not wearing his seatbelt? Unless you live in the twilight zone then probably not. Cops are not above some laws but they are above a minority of them.
Unfortuanetely my brother is a cop and he tells me all the time that its unwritten law that cops dont give cops traffic tickets..personal vehicle or not
The idea just sounds crazy. I have had cops cut me off, turn without turn signals, and without a doubt speed. But the idea of a cop giving another cop a ticket is ludicrous.
I have seen it before without a doubt. I assume that when a police officer flies by me without his lights on that he is speeding for no other reason that Dunkin' Donuts is giving out free coffee and donuts for a limited time. I have been driving and had cops cut me off turn without turn signals and go past me going at least 10 over WITHOUT lights or siren on. The last time? Don't keep journal entries so I do not remember the exact date, when was the last time you sneezed?
Hey, I don't appreciate the donut jokes because my dad is a police officer.
I do agree that Cops are not perfect and they should not abuse their privileges.
Breaking the law and getting away with it does not make you above the law because nobody should get away with it. Law enforcement is essential to the benefit of this country.
If I get pulled over for speeding and I mention my dad who is their boss(he is a captain over patrol) chances are I won't get a ticket. But I don't speed. See thats the point I try to obey the law. Not that I am perfect or anything.
That is seriously not the point I dont care when someone makes a Mexican joke at all and you really shouldn't care if I make a donut joke it wasn't directed at anyone in particular and it shouldn't really affect you at all I didn't say police officers are pigs it was just a joke that has been used more times than it is countable.
Just because nobody should get away with breaking the law doesn't mean that nobody does. Police officers are a major exception to the small laws, and I don't think that it is right but that does not change the fact that some of them abuse their privileges.
Oh Boy! Do you seriously believe that Cops don't abuse the speed limits and anything else they can get away with? If you do you've been blind-sided by a Cop!
In one sentence you even put yourself above the law and misrepresented your own lawless behavior. "If I get pulled over for speeding and I mention my dad who is their boss(he is a captain over patrol) chances are I won't get a ticket. But I don't speed. See thats the point I try to obey the law. Not that I am perfect or anything."
Number 1. If you get pulled over for speeding you mention your dad and squirm out of the ticket you should have gotten because you were speeding!
Number 2. Then you say you don't speed and tell us the point is you try an obey the law!
Number 3. So both you and the Cops are above the law because you were speeding, they knew it and didn't do what was proper and right to do under the law because you dropped daddy's name.
Right, you respect the law, you don't speed or do anything else that would get you pulled over, but you do have the ability to get out of a ticket repeatedly. That would be above the law.
Now, you don't take advantage of your situation, but there must be thousands of officers over patrol that have children or spouses or maybe even friends that do take advantage of the situation. And they would be above the law, solely because their mom, dad, husband, wife, or friend is the officer's boss. So as long as they have the job, they are what would be considered above the law. Not above all laws, I know, but above the laws that don't come with media coverage, huge fines and jail time.
2.That never happened I just used it as an example that I obey the law because I respect it. Not just out of fear of a ticket.
Nobody is above the law. Yeah people get away with stuff all the time. That does not make them above the law."
Jake, these are the kind of things that get you into stuff with people. The example you gave tells us that you are above the law. It might have been different if you learned how to phrase it properly! Like this; My Dad is is Police Officer where we live and even if I decided to speed, which I don't, I know they would give me a break and not ticket me. But I obey the speed laws so that this could never happen and put my dad or me in jeopardy. Do you see what I mean?
The big deal is that this is a debate. Your example was showing us that you were above the law, and you were arguing that nobody is above the law but you could be if you were ever pulled over. So if you say something like that and get called for it you shouldn't say what's the big deal. I would also hope that you would call me out on a badly put statement.
I hate to double team Jake but really what he is saying is only confirming what I said. If a cop pulls him over he says that his dad is captain of the patrol and they let it slide showing that HE is above the law because he can get out of a speeding ticket. >.<
I would argue that he aptly represented his lawlessness as being above the law using his father's authority to exonerate such above-the-law lawlessness.
He obviously refuses to suffer the consequences of violating some laws.
I don't know the morals of the cops in your town, but in my town, they go out of their way to speed, talk on the cell phone while driving, illegally park, etc. And they don't get tickets. However, I agree that they aren't above the law. When I see this happening, I will report them. It seems unfair that they get to break the same laws that they punish others for doing. A bit of hypocrisy there.
Just because they don't follow the traffic laws doesn't mean they're above them. They're just corrupt. Cops in my town are always breaking the traffic laws. That's why my mom and I take down their numbers and report them when they do break laws. :)
They are above the law in the aspect that another cop would never give them a ticket. An enforcer wont even look in the direction of a cop while clocking, I think that that makes them above some laws. You and your mother must be a major exception. I have never even heard of any of my friends, parents friends, or anyone in the family ever reporting a cop for speeding. The idea just doesn't flow. =]
those who can think post-conventionally are. think of it as, they realize that living by the law can be a bad thing.
now, how do we determine who's right and who's wrong? no one can be certain.
what i say is, if you get caught and in trouble for what you did, you are not above the law. but if you can get away with it and truly feel you did the right thing, you are above it.
and before someone tries to say "what about terrorists?" they aren't getting away with it, in fact, we have troops over their kicking their ass.
and the coerce interrogation which people like david call torture... i would say that's NOT getting away with it. so no, terrorists aren't above the law.
what i say is, if you get caught and in trouble for what you did, you are not above the law. but if you can get away with it and truly feel you did the right thing, you are above it.
This would mean that in a society with 100% enforcement, none are above the law. In a society that has laws but doesn't enforce them, everyone is above the law. I suppose the flaw is in the wording of the debate title, as it seems more like a question of who should obey it.
Whether you like it or not, there are people above the law. It can be called using a "get out of Jail Free Card." There are people who can pay their way around things, as greed is rooted in many. There are people who are also against this and try to weed those people, but they always find an escape. The law says all are under the law, but the law cannot capture those who can disappear.
It doesn't matter what your opinions and beliefs are, you are not above the law. Everyone must obey the law. If you break the law you must face the consequences, even if you are not hurting anyone.
Cops don't face the consequences of the law when they drive their patrol cars over the speed limit. They are not issued citations for broken tail lights. They are not issued citations for running a red light or a stop sign. Cops are not issued a ticket for following too closely. Cops are not issued citations for failure to yield to oncoming traffic. Cops are not given tickets for not wearing a safty belt. Cops are not given tickets for speaking on the phone while driving, etc.etc.
Therefore, cops violate traffic laws without ill-consequences to themselves.
Yes, justice is blind for it cannot see the violations of its enforcers.
Your rebuttal has given me all the necessary information to demonstrate many things that are undeniable about your position. I am offering you, now, an opportunity to revise your rebuttal before I reply to your current rebuttal. I am granting that you failed to adequately consider the implications of your statement. However, if you are satisfied with your rebuttal and see no necessity to revise your argument I’ll respond accordingly.
No body is above the law. However, there are times when certain laws cannot be followed by certain people, like the laws against murder in a time of war.
like say for example you allowed the torture of people even though the law clearly states it's illegal, what torture is, and that it doesn't work anyway.
And say for pretend a president and vice president attempted to change the laws to say certain things weren't torture, but they still were.
Like for example, even though they were the president and vice president, they should be treated like anyone else who allows torture.
Laws of nature are all encompassing. As for the laws of various countries when the law if being enforced no one is above it. When the law isn't being enforced then it doesn't really exist.
