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I think yes No, not possible
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Is being a superhero vigilante like the Green Arrow, Daredevil, etc. possible?

So, here's the concept of every superhero vigilante story ever. Our hero is a normal person, possibly even just a kid pr young man without parents or some guy (stereotypically male, but not always male), who isn't exactly in the best physical shape. The city he lives in is run with crime. He is lost in the woods or is in the city but found by some person who is so good at fighting that they can beat the police, even if they are armed with guns, without having to have a gun themselves. There are many ways this can happen. Our future hero goes through a lot, but is simply not getting his training from the military or police force. A bad guy comes out who the police can't do anything about cuz he and his fellow thugs are somehow able to defeat all police, etc. and the city goes into chaos as people are killed. But our unlikely hero develops fighting skill from some mystical source (not really mystical but mystical in the sense that the audience is just supposed to accept that they can make our hero about to fight this bad guy), and eventually finds his way back to town just in time to save everyone. He appears just in the nick of time to fight the bad guy in a hood and mask, etc.... In real life, someone did the math and showed anyone who did this in real life would just get shot with a shot gun. Some say it would have to be something like the punisher, with his military training, or something similar, and even then it wouldn't last very long and would probably get shot in a couple of months. Another person who claimed to do the math said to get around this would require $6 million and 12 years of training to be a real life superhero vigilante who is above the law. Some argue that Anonymous loosely fits this description. Can anyone with any martial arts training, hacking, or whatever, possibly become above the police and defeat criminals. What if the criminals aren't above the law, is it possible then? If you think it is possible, explain how. If you think it is not possible, explain why not. How far could this go in real life? Obviously it won't happen with something like TKD training or Karate, but if you disagree please explain how. In my view, the person would have to have Krav Maga, Systems, Keysi Fighting Method, Jeet Kun Do, etc. among other military level combative arts, and they'd have to know at least five of such arts and probably would have to include Ninjutsu, computer hacking, etc. among other things. How unrealistic is this? Do you think it really requires all of this? There are vigilantes in real life, but they aren't able to fight tons of criminals in their own, they travel in groups with guns to try and outnumber bad guys in terms in having more guns aimed at once, in areas of the world where crime runs rampant. This is not the same is being Batman in my view. So what do you think, possible or no?

I think yes

Side Score: 4
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No, not possible

Side Score: 4
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It's all relative. In a quiet small town full of average people the one Navy Seal in the population has abilities comparable to a superhero vigilante. But put him in a bigger population and with more people with training and abilities and then he becomes just one of the crowd.

Side: I think yes
ghostheadX(1103) Clarified
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But why does it have to be a Navy Seal? Do you not think it's possible to get beyond that? Why can't one get beyond military training? That said, you just gave an example similar to that of the Punisher. So are you saying the Punisher is possible?

Side: I think yes
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Yes. The Punisher is possible. Keep in mind though in the real world with real laws the odds are the superhero vigilante would end up arrested and prosecuted.

Side: I think yes
Mint_tea(4031) Clarified
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I think the main point is the training. Navy Seal is just an example. When you have ordinary people and one extraordinary person, the extraordinary person stands the better chance of being a hero....or villain. The training, combat, survival skills and all that is taught to the Navy Seal would elevate him above those who didn't have it.

Side: I think yes
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Sooner or later they will become a villain. Those who 'know' will have to be 'dealt with' before they can turn them in.

Side: No, not possible
1 point

No. If you watch them, their wounds would end up killing most normal people. It always makes me shake my head when they have to provide blood and do so by cutting open their hand. Have you ever had a paper cut on your finger? That things hurts when you have to type with it so imagine having an open wound on your palm and trying to pull back an arrow or hold a sword with that hand. You can't get stabbed in the gut with a sword or shot by a bullet and walk or feel normal after a week or month or so.

Side: No, not possible

Very good point. So then do you think there's a way of doing it with lighter wounds? What if one has body armor?

Side: No, not possible
Mint_tea(4031) Clarified
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I would imagine it depends on the armor. There are armor piercing bullets now a days that act like normal Kevlar vests are just made of tissue paper. At some point your going to get armor that may hold back some lethal damage but at the cost of maneuverability. And if you can't move freely you can't fight.

Side: I think yes

I think it's not likely, but I think one can become something similar, which is why I decided to make this debate. I heard one person say the closest you could get is something like the serial killer show Dexter or like the main hacker in Mr Robot (both fiction shows but more realistic than most adventure shows), but you can't really get beyond that other than to be from the military IMO. But I was wondering if anyone thought it could be possible just cuz it's something I speculate about in my mind occasionally.

Someone wrote a book about what it would really take to become batman and put it on Amazon. They also wrote one about becoming Iron Man

https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Batman-Possibility-Paul-Zehr/dp/0801890632?tag=gizmodoamzn-20&ascsubtag;=5d46254db27a36874a8d76febed1b8f4a317d870&rawdata;=[r|https://www.google.co.in/[t|link[p|1704776595[a|0801890632[au|5723194297324746767[b|gizmodo

I've never read the book, but some guy on Quora (which isn't very reliable but works for this opinionated purpose) had this to say as his review of the book:

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-possible-to-reach-Batmans-skill-level

It would take 12 years of training to become batman, and one would have to start the athletics in their teens at latest in order to gain the skills necessary by the time they are in their mid 20s to early 30s. It would require loads and loads and loads of intense martial arts training. It would not be easy.

Also, some people are trying to be real life vigilantes (not like the two examples mentioned above), but they aren't as skilled as Batman. They aren't even as unrealistic as Kick Ass or anything, but people have tried it out and apprehended criminals but it's a pretty dangerous job that can potentially get one killed. But I don't consider these guys to be legit superheroes. They are just using costumes as symbols:

http://listverse.com/2013/03/24/10-outrageous-real-life-superheroes/

What do you guys think of my examples? Could anything be done to tweak the above examples to work like real superheroes?

Side: No, not possible