At birth, humans have no sexual preference, considering they have not been exposed to anything sexual at such a young age. Ultimately, the environment the person was raised in is the largest factor to determine what their sexual preference is (homosexuality or heterosexuality).
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Right, therefore I am straight not because I find women attractive, but rather because I was raised to find women attractive? Wait, no I wasn't. In fact, homosexuals come from any population or socioeconomy. What of the asexual and pansexual? I suppose they were raised under rocks.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
Right, therefore I am straight not because I find women attractive, but rather because I was raised to find women attractive? Not exactly what I meant. Environment in that context could mean many things. For example, the majority of Christans believe that homosexuality is inherently wrong, which would make a Christan have a larger chance to be heterosexual rather than homosexual. In fact, homosexuals come from any population or socioeconomy. I am entirely aware of that; my purpose of 'environment' was not to differentiate from varying populations, but from varying lifestyles, I suppose. What of the asexual and pansexual? I suppose they were raised under rocks. I'm aware that there are far more sexual preferences besides homosexuality and heterosexuality, but I only used those two as those are currently the majorities, and for simplicity.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Christan have a larger chance to be heterosexual rather than homosexual. Not even slightly more, Christians merely don't admit it.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
Elaborate on this, perhaps, so I can provide an adequate argument against it?
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
Well given that the reason a lot of homosexual people delay coming out, is because they don't feel comfortable due to the opinions of others. In a Christian family, this can only be more intense, given the condemning nature of the religion's teachings and all out moral disgust at homosexuals. In a secular or atheistic family that follows no rules outside of human law and societal morality based on human rights, it would be far easier for a homosexual to tell their families, friends, etc.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
For me I think it is a choice for people to come up with if they want to be a homosexual. You aren't born with it because you are young and you can't just say out of the blue I was a homosexual it has to be later down in life when you make that decision. Its a choice that is up for the person to decide.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
I disagree most Gay people I have met discovered they were attracted to people of the same sex at Puberty, the same time as most straight people discover they are attracted to people of the opposite sex. I have never met anyone who said I have made the conscious decision to be Straight or Gay it's just the way they are
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
And that was the person's choice to be attracted to the same gender at puberty.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
I'm sorry I disagree, when I discovered I liked Girls it was not a concious decision and all the Gay people I have met have said the same the only difference is I was attracted to the opposite sex they were attracted to the same sex. I assume it was the same for yourself or did you look at Guys and Girls and think i'm not sure which I fancy I think i'll be straight?
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
I choose to like girls not guys because it is against my beliefs to be a homosexual.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
So are you saying you were attracted to both Guys and Girls but chose Girls because it is against your beliefs to be a Homosexual?
315 days ago | Side: A choice
I never said I was attracted to guys. I only was attracted to girls.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
So if you were never attracted to Guys being straight was not a choice you did not make a concious decision to fancy Girls and it is the same for Gay people. To have a choice and to make a concious decision you need to be attracted to both sexes
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Sure, but there is no logical reason for Christanity to deem homosexuality wrong.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
Homosexuals aren't allowed into the kingdom of heaven. And when something is not allowed into the kingdom of heaven that means its wrong.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
That's not a logical argument against homosexuality. And that's ANOTHER reason to not support Christanity.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
Yes it is a logical reason because it is unnatural for people to like the same gender. Male and male can't have sex with each other because they have the same parts and it won't reproduce anything. However if you take a male and female you are able to reproduce.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Do you believe people should only have sex to reproduce then?
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
Its not only that but also if you want to start a family.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Jeez that's unfortunate because Sex is fun, oh well looks like the gates of heaven are gonna be locked to me because me and my wife still have sex even though we cant have any more kids ;)
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
Okay... That is a completely different argument you stated originally. You say homosexuality is unatural, yet you give no evidence to support that. The Bible isn't an acceptable source since there in no logical arguments to prove it's validity. Over 94% of the world is heterosexual, thus the reproduction of the human species is fine.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
The Bible isn't an acceptable source since there in no logical arguments to prove it's validity. It is a reliable source. Archaeologists dug up some things that were from the Bible's time period. Like King Herod. Many people thought that there was no such a king and yet they found coins bearing his name on it. Also various places in near Israel archaeologists dug up some things that were from the Bible's time period. Archaeologists were the one's that found the Dead Sea Scrolls which contained some of the Old Testament and they compared the Dead Sea Scroll version of the Old Testament with the King James Version of the Bible and it was word for word and it wasn't altered and it didn't change.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Lol.. you're full of crap seriously. People have found more evidence pointing, that the bible most likely is fake, than they have found evidence pointing out that the bible is most likely real.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
People have found more evidence pointing, that the bible most likely is fake, than they have found evidence pointing out that the bible is most likely real. Have you been doing research on it? I have done tons of research and I have found tons and tons of articles and facts that the Bible is true. Their is archaeological, scientific, biological, and astronomical evidence that the Bible is true. P.S I thought you were a Christian? All Christians believe that the Bible is true.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Have you been doing research on it? I have done tons of research and I have found tons and tons of articles and facts that the Bible is true. Their is archaeological, scientific, biological, and astronomical evidence that the Bible is true. Then produce that evidence.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
315 days ago | Side: A choice
Have you been doing research on it? I have done tons of research and I have found tons and tons of articles and facts that the Bible is true. Their is archaeological, scientific, biological, and astronomical evidence that the Bible is true. Well, your research is flawed and not trustworthy. Are you 14? Ask Mackindale and Nummi, they'll give you tons of evidence pointing out, that the bible is most likely untrue. P.S I thought you were a Christian? All Christians believe that the Bible is true. I am a christian. Just because I can deal with reality doesn't make me an atheist. I believe the bible is true, but I don't just ignore the facts pointing out, that it most likely is not.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
Well, your research is flawed and not trustworthy. No its not flawed and it is trustworthy evidence. Are you 14? Ask Mackindale and Nummi, they'll give you tons of evidence pointing out, that the bible is most likely untrue. I am not 14. I am 15. I already gave evidence to Nummi but all he says is the evidence is not evidence to him and he won't acknowledge the evidence that I give him. As for Mackindale he always will be bashing Christianity because he is an atheist and so he bashes it because to make Christianity look weak. I could do the same too about atheism and how they have blind faith. But I choose not to. It's no use debating with him because if I try to give him evidence that the Bible is true. He will try to sidestep or try to ignore my argument.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
I could do the same too about atheism and how they have blind faith. One problem atheism don't have blind faith theists are the ones with blind faith.
303 days ago | Side: born with it.
Okay, but is there any direct evidence to support that the Christan God actually existed in the Bible? Having one historical element of the Bible proven true does not necessarily prove that the Bible as a whole is logically accurate.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
But it isn't a conscious choice, dude. It's a primal part of the brain that makes either sex attractive. It's an organ function. I don't think many people choose to have kidney failure, after all. They just break sometimes. Note; Yes, I just said homosexuality is a flaw... No hate, though! It just ruins the reproductive model in a sense of efficiency. You need one of each set of genitals to make a baby. =S
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
You aren't born with it because you are young and you can't just say out of the blue I was a homosexual it has to be later down in life when you make that decision. How does this prove that homosexuality is not natural? And no. Homosexuals did not decide to become homosexual. They merely decided to declare or come out as homosexuals.
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Homosexuals did not decide to become homosexual. They merely decided to declare or come out as homosexuals. That is the exactly the same. If you declare or come out as a homosexual then you made that choice to declare or come out as a homosexual.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
If you declare or come out as a homosexual then you made that choice to declare or come out as a homosexual. Well duh! BUT, that is still different from becoming homosexual. One can be a homosexual and not declare it to the public. One prime example is Anderson Cooper. There is a difference between being a homosexual and declaring yourself as one. But, I wouldn't expect a naive and unsophisticated person such as yourself to know the difference.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
Its a choice Im not straight bcuz i was born this way Im straight bcuz tht was my choice I mentally prefer guys
309 days ago | Side: A choice
If it's a choice for you than you are not straight, you are bi-sexual. That you are supressing homosexual desires does not make you straight.
303 days ago | Side: born with it.
Its not really a choice but I put it here because they are not born. I know about three people who are gay and they were pretty much straight until around 13-16. Really its more like born vs. made.
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Homosexuals no more choose which sex they are attracted to than heterosexuals choose which sex they are attracted to. Which is why most homophobes are actually bi leaning toward gay I believe. For them it feels like a choice because they can swing both ways. If they were truly as heterosexual as they claim they'd: 1. Not give a shit, less competition and nothing to do with them. 2. Understand one cannot flip a switch and say "hey, I like girls today" then "hey, now I like boys." ... unless of course you are bi-sexual. Someone somewhere may argue that "But the act of homosexual sex is a choice so it's a choice" if CD history is any indicator. That is incorrect though. Homosexuality is the attraction, whether its acted upon or not.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
I sort of agree with this. I can't imagine why anyone would think it's a choice or not. I have a completely straight friend, and he has no problem with homosexuality, but another friend is a hardcore Christian, and says things like "faggot" or "that's so gay" all the time, and then goes around telling people it's wrong to be gay and that it's purely a choice, as if in his mind, he could go either way, but has chosen straightness.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
I dont get the Homosexuality is a choice thing, it's not like I hit a certain age looked at Guys looked at Girls and thought decisions, decisions I pick Girls it just happened and i'm pretty sure it's the same for Gay people. I think some people are just scared to admit that Gay people are just people like everyone else
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
I don't know why it has to be one or the other. There are gays who partake in homosexual activities because they choose to, and there are gays who are drawn to the same sex the same way heterosexuals are drawn to the opposite sex. I've met both in my life.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
There is a difference between activity and attraction.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
Studies show that there is a 77% chance that if an identical twin is homosexual, their counterpart twin will also be homosexual.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
That's an interesting statistic, have you a source for that info, I'd like to read it?
313 days ago | Side: born with it.
How do you know their environment didn't have anything to do with it?
297 days ago | Side: A choice
There is no scientific proof to support either view and I think it's interesting that all this research goes into finding out why people are Gay and not into why people are straight but in the end who care's Gay people are here and their not going anywhere so the only thing the human race can and should do is live and let live.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
If you like to sleep with men and you have a penis..., then it's something you were born with ;)
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
not nameing any names my closes freind as well as family are gay i asked them at first they said no amount of men or women could ever make him or her happy so the decide it is a choice but some are also gay to began with nothing wrong with that
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
That's just a miserable fucker, not a homosexual .
314 days ago | Side: A choice
I don't know what side to pick, because it can be both. I can chose right now, that I want to be homosexual, even tho I'm not. If I do so, it is a choice. But if I someday found out, that I like women, then it wasn't something I chose. Some like strawberries, some like bananas, some like both - just like some like women and some like men - and some even like them both.
315 days ago | Side: born with it.
I can chose right now, that I want to be homosexual, even tho I'm not. No, you can choose to behave in a homosexual manner, but would not be a homosexual as you wouldn't be sexually attracted to your own gender. I would assume that you are straight, can you even imagine having sexual contact with your own gender? I'd hazard a guess that the idea would repulse you. But if I someday found out, that I like women, then it wasn't something I chose. Sexuality does not flip flop like that, especially in men, women are a different case.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
Sexuality does not flip flop like that, especially in men, women are a different case. Oh, don't get me wrong I know that. But some people don't find out that they're gay before they're .. like 30 or something.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
But some people don't find out that they're gay before they're .. like 30 or something. You're confusing "coming out" with realization of sexual preference. Most people that come out later in life tend to be from a different generation, and grew up in an age where being gay was almost universally ridiculed or worse, for them it seems easier to tell people that they only started having these feelings later on in life rather than admitting to friends, family and in some cases lovers, that they were lying to them for years. Societal change in attitude to homosexuality has led to a generation of parents that don't discriminate against their kids and a peer group far more accepting as well as media attention and homosexual role models, as such far more people are coming out at a younger age, much to the chagrin of the churches that wish this issue to be purely choice, so they can do what they do best and marginalize, normal, loving, innocent people.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
No no, I'm not confusing anything. Just like we find out what we're good at doing, what we like to listen to or eat, just the same way we find out what kind of sexual orientation we are. Some people don't find out right away, that they're gay. Some are not sure if they are. You are born being gay, but you're not born knowing it.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
Just like we find out what we're good at doing, what we like to listen to or eat, just the same way we find out what kind of sexual orientation we are. What you are describing is taste, taste can be acquired. Sexuality is part of who you are, just like your sex or your eye color. Some people don't find out right away, that they're gay. Some are not sure if they are. Most people that suffer sexual confusion are, bi, actual homosexuals know pretty early on, whether they say it or not. Although they do suffer their confusion as every pubescent teenager does (including straight kids), but it doesn't take until one is thirty to know . You are born being gay, but you're not born knowing it. This could be said of any human characteristic. I don't see how it's relevant.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
This could be said of any human characteristic. I don't see how it's relevant. Why this is relevant? Your saying to me, that every gay person knows early that he or she is gay. Maybe the majority does, but it is untrue that all people find out that they're gay in an early age. Your sexual orientation is part of you yes, but you don't always notice it right away, or know what it is. It takes longer time for some people. Just because 'most people' do something, doesn't mean everyone does it. Most people that suffer sexual confusion are, bi, And no, almost every homosexual has gone through a fase, where they were doubting what sex they were into. It's not like you wake up one day, and realize that you're gay.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
Why this is relevant? It isn't, that's what I stated. Your saying to me, that every gay person knows early that he or she is gay. I'm saying that every Homosexual knows as soon as they've sexually matured, which for some people means early teens and some later, depending on how (in the case of Gay men) feminine the brain is, so some know straight away, others spend a little more time in confusion, but if you're a guy and you've a crush on another guy, you're gay. Maybe the majority does, but it is untrue that all people find out that they're gay in an early age. Every homosexual I've spoken to, and that's a fair few, and everyone I've heard speak publicly about have stated that they were always gay, and it makes biological sense. Just because 'most people' do something, doesn't mean everyone does it. Of course it doesn't, but you can't just develop homosexuality, it is there or it isn't, hiding it, and lying about it are integral parts of being a closet homosexual. And no, almost every homosexual has gone through a fase, where they were doubting what sex they were into. What I was referring to, if you had read fully what I wrote, is prolonged sexual confusion, I stated after that that, homosexuals suffer similar levels of sexual confusion as straight people, maybe more, maybe less given the nature of human individual differences. It's not like you wake up one day, and realize that you're gay. I didn't say it was anything like this.
314 days ago | Side: born with it.
I'm saying that every Homosexual knows as soon as they've sexually matured, which for some people means early teens and some later, depending on how (in the case of Gay men) feminine the brain is, so some know straight away, others spend a little more time in confusion, but if you're a guy and you've a crush on another guy, you're gay. As I mentioned, not all people are the same. Some take longer to find out their sexual attraction. very homosexual I've spoken to, and that's a fair few, and everyone I've heard speak publicly about have stated that they were always gay, and it makes biological sense. Of course they were always gay, I agreed on that it is a thing you're born with. But they don't always find out right away. Many many people are divorced, because the other one suddenly found out he or she is gay. Of course it doesn't, but you can't just develop homosexuality, it is there or it isn't, hiding it, and lying about it are integral parts of being a closet homosexual. I know a guy who was married to my cousin. They were married for 20 years. He said he truly loved her, and he didn't know he was gay until he met a guy he really liked. Then he started to wonder. You can't know your sexual attraction before you had one, and not all teens have them so soon. This man said, that when he first was with a woman, he was dissapointed of sex. He thought it should be that way (he wasn't very attracted to the woman, but he thought it was normal) So not before he tried being attracted to a man, he realized how a real attraction is like. What I was referring to, if you had read fully what I wrote, is prolonged sexual confusion, I stated after that that, homosexuals suffer similar levels of sexual confusion as straight people, maybe more, maybe less given the nature of human individual differences. We were talking about coming out and stuff. Sorry I can't follow the conversation.. didn't know you switched subjects. I didn't say it was anything like this. I know, I said it.
314 days ago | Side: A choice
As I mentioned, not all people are the same. Some take longer to find out their sexual attraction. Not twenty years after sexual maturity. Many many people are divorced, because the other one suddenly found out he or she is gay. Bullkaka, many people are divorced because their significant other came out, there is no sexual epiphany. He said he truly loved her, and he didn't know he was gay until he met a guy he really liked. Then he started to wonder. That's a much better thing to hear than, "I've always been attracted to men, but due to societal pressure and most people's bigotry in determining that it is a choice, I decided to choose you to live out a charade of heterosexuality in order to fit in. Sorry about wasting most of your life, your youth and your chances of finding a long lasting relationship, not too mention the years of lies" You can't know your sexual attraction before you had one, and not all teens have them so soon. You are truly naive to believe that a person can get to the age of thirty without realizing, that they are Gay. So not before he tried being attracted to a man, he realized how a real attraction is like. You can't try being attracted to someone, it just happens. We were talking about coming out and stuff. Sorry I can't follow the conversation.. didn't know you switched subjects. Nobody switched subjects, what are you on about?
313 days ago | Side: born with it.
Why are you so naiv to believe, that EVERY gay person on earth came out in puberty? People are different. Do you know every gay guy on earth? No! you don't. I know a guy who found out he was gay when he was 30, and came out as a forty year old. You can't try being attracted to someone, it just happens. I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean to TRY being attracted to someone. He tried to be attracted to a man (as in he was, and at that point he had tried it. Do you understand, I know I sound stupid :p ) You can't know what your into, before you've tried being attracted to someone. Because before that you have no idea what a sexual attraction is.
313 days ago | Side: A choice
Why are you so naiv to believe, that EVERY gay person on earth came out in puberty? I didn't state this. People are different. Indeed. Do you know every gay guy on earth? No! you don't. True, t'would be weird if I did. I know a guy who found out he was gay when he was 30, and came out as a forty year old. Are you telling me, that this guy, was straight up until the age of 30, then suddenly out of no-where discovered he was gay? Honestly, that's naivety. Strange the way it's the men of a certain generation that have these stories. You can't know what your into, before you've tried being attracted to someone. Because before that you have no idea what a sexual attraction is. Sexual attraction is involuntary, if you see someone you're attracted to, you can't chose to be un attracted to them.
313 days ago | Side: born with it.
Are you telling me, that this guy, was straight up until the age of 30, then suddenly out of no-where discovered he was gay? Honestly, that's naivety. Strange the way it's the men of a certain generation that have these stories. Lol - no, can you read? I said he found out he was gay as a 30 year old, not that he was straight until he was 30. He went through a long phase where he didn't know exactly what he was, and when he like .. found out he actually was gay, then he tried for several years to not be gay. He was ashamed of himself. He came out as a 40 year old. Sexual attraction is involuntary, if you see someone you're attracted to, you can't chose to be un attracted to them. It seems like you don't read my arguments at all. I don't mean try as in to TRY and be attracted. I mean he have already tried it, or he haven't tried having a sexual attraction before. He didn't literally try to be attracted to a man, he just was - and that way, he have already 'tried' to be attracted to a man.
313 days ago | Side: A choice
Let me give you an example. Have you ever watched the show Ugly Betty? Season 4 episode 16 - All the world's a Stage Justin, Betty's nephew, he has a crush on a girl. But his classmate Austin does also have a crush on the same girl. They both kiss her (Justin kisses her on stage in a play, and after the play he sees Austin and the girl kiss behind stage) Austin apologizes, because he didn't really feel the kiss was any good, he wasn't really in to her anymore. And Justin says the same thing - he imagined they're kiss on stage way better than it actually was. They have a little talk, and before they know they're kissing. The two boys. That's what I mean. Justin and Austin thought they were in love - because homosexuals, almost all of them have heterosexual parents. That way, heterosexuality seems normal to them. And they don't think about it before they find out - hey, I actually feel something for this guy/girl. Do you get me now? What I mean is, that you have to FIND out you're gay, by being attracted to someone. If you're not attracted to anyone - Then your just gonna go with what society thinks is most 'normal'. And don't get me wrong, I don't think homosexuality is not normal, but that's what most societies think. It is possible for a man to not feel attracted to anyone at age of 30. If you don't know your into guys, then you don't look for guys, you look for girls. Then its pretty obvious, that it can be awhile before you know what you're really into. Homosexuals try so hard to find someone they're attracted to (before they know they're in the closet) They look everywhere, and when they never get that 'feeling' they just assume they already have it, and they're just not valuing it as much as they should. So a gay guy can be married to a woman, thinking he is in love with her - because he thinks it's normal. Do you see where I'm going, I know this is really complicated to follow, sorry :)
312 days ago | Side: born with it.
This whole conservation is about sex. No ones going to die if you don't get laid so sex is not a necessary therefore its a choice. Some people just feel so because their addicted to the sensation. sex junkies.
297 days ago | Side: A choice
If you ever have a weird sexual twitch at something wildly inappropriate, or if something you don't quite understand turns you on, you can probably see why homosexuals are homosexuals. I'm not so sure that it's something you're -born- with so much as something that comes naturally, but I'm not an expert. Things change, sexuality develops. You find new things to want and lust after even if you're not aware of it. That's just how it works.
313 days ago | Side: born with it.
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