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Debate Score:19
Arguments:15
Total Votes:21
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Is christianity in itself responsible for war or are people responsible?

Often times we overlook the truth on what the real problem is. The disease of the human nature in itslef is the problem. Humans are flawed, broken, and of need of constant repair. We label everything and we always want to blame someone or something for the worlds problems. The truth is their is no perfect system because we are the system and its broken. Jesus is the way out of our systematic failure. Wether or not you beleive him to be the son of God or not his teachings are without a doubt revolutionary and good. Christianity cannot be held resonsible for war because Jesus taught the opposite of war and the opposite of hate.            

People

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christianity

Side Score: 3
3 points

People are responsible for war, because people are responsible for Christianity.

Side: People
hoegy(308) Disputed
1 point

Well there are people like myself who beleive christianity was not made by people but by Christ Jesus, who is the son of God. Jesus Christ is the example that has been set out for us. He showed us through his words and actions how to live as christians.

Side: People
2 points

It is like this. Even if Christianity did somehow come before people (not likely but whatever, it's irrelevant) people ultimately make decisions themselves, even with religious influence in mind, the people will make the actions. If the bible blatantly says'kill non believers' to blame the bible for killings, is absurd, because the people can choose to, or choose not to follow that rule. With this in mind, Christianity is not 100% free of guilt, since at the end of the day it is still doing the influencing, it's just not the main issue, or in it's dormant state, the issue we should be looking to stop.

I look at the bible like this: a guy is holding a gun to your head, but it's not actually a guy or a gun, but instead a story of a guy holding a gun to your head. Unfortunately we can't choose what to believe, and some people are stuck believing the guy is actually holding the gun to your head, and they go on to teach their children of the guy holding the gun to your head, but a logical mind will deduce from the lack of evidence that the guy might not actually exist, and that it's all just a story.

With this in mind, I believe that while men are responsible for the crimes of men, and Christianity only plays a small part in the decision to commit those crimes, that if we simply educate people better, the crimes of men, blamed on Christianity will be reduced and eventually gotten rid of even... only to be replaced with crimes of men blamed on something else (but that's a whole other debate :))

Side: People

Religion is just another excuse along with race and culture.

Side: People
1 point

Ok. So far all the arguments for this side have all basically said "people created Christianity, so people are the ones at fault," and while that is a good argument to make in blaming people for wars that does not absolve Christianity of its influence. I'll try to explain this in a different way. Although Christianity seems to be the point on which so many wars have begun over, it is not the religion itself that at fault, but a misinterpretation of its teachings by the people. The point of Christianity is not to kill everybody who disagrees with it, but because of the flaws in human nature that is how some people decided to exert their beliefs. Let me give an example... Say somebody told their child that they should be honest, and the child ran off and insulted the next person they saw because they were "being honest". Does that make the parent at fault for the sins of their child? No. Just because somebody, in trying to show someone the truth, ended up accidently misleading them to behave otherwise does not mean that they were responsible for the wrongdoings of that person. I would give a quote from st Augustine, because I know he talked about this with regards to scripture... But I can't for the life of me remember where. Oh well.

Side: People
1 point

No religion can tangibly enforce any ideals on a person. People alone are responsible for war, and it's for as simple a reason as human emotion drives individuals to commit atrocities when another's lifestyles do not correspond accordingly with their own.

Side: People
1 point

People most certainly. There are Christian extremist that take Christianity way too far, just like Islam.

By the way, Do any Christians want to set up a one on one debate that has to do with the Holy Bible? If so, let me know.

Side: People

Both! There are the true Christians that believe in turning the other cheek. To be adversarial, there are the phony Christians who hide behind their Religion to promote war.

Side: People
1 point

Christianity is a human construct so it is difficult to separate 'people' from 'Christianity'. However, if we say that Christianity is the church or the Bible then yes Christianity is, in part, responsible for war.

Side: christianity
1 point

If Christianity is man-made then why is mankind not responsible for its effects.

Side: christianity
hoegy(308) Disputed
1 point

Christianity is the fullfillment of the law. For example it says in Mathew 5:43-48 to love your enemies not hate them. So how in the world is christianity reponsible for war, if its very nature is to love those who hate you and persecute you?

Side: People

Christianity makes people think it's their job to kill million of innocent people and to start wars they can't even Fucking win (The Crusades) This is a perfect example of Primate See Primate do.

Side: christianity
hoegy(308) Disputed
1 point

Oh your talking about fake christianity, well in that case your right.

Side: People
1 point

Define 'fake Christianity'. I really want to know what this fake Christianity is, because, all my life I have been following real Christianity. Can you please clarify the bounds of 'fake christianity'?

Side: People
1 point

All I'm saying, is, they were following the same doctrine that you and I follow, they just misinterpreted it differently, or they though it was so cool, they had to share it with the Islams and the Muslims.

Side: People