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 Is deuteronomy the most immoral chapter in the whole bible? (59)

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Is deuteronomy the most immoral chapter in the whole bible?

Deuteronomy 20:10-14)

 

     As you approach a town to attack it, first offer its people terms for peace.  If they accept your terms and open the gates to you, then all the people inside will serve you in forced labor.  But if they refuse to make peace and prepare to fight, you must attack the town.  When the LORD your God hands it over to you, kill every man in the town.  But you may keep for yourselves all the women, children, livestock, and other plunder.  You may enjoy the spoils of your enemies that the LORD your God has given you.


Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)

 

    If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father.  Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

 

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

 

    If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

 

Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB)

 

    "When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house.  But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive's garb.  After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife.  However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion."

 

  Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death.  Such evil must be purged from Israel.  (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT

 

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods.  In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully.  If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock.  Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it.  Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God.  That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt.  Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction.  Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you.  He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors.  "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him."  (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

 

But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house.  Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst.  (Deuteronomy  22:20-21 NAB)

 

 

 

 

 

 


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and this isn't even all of the immoral verses in Deuteronomy!

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I read and re-read the stuff above and I still can't find the "immorality". There are no immoral books in the bible.

J-Roc77(70) Clarified
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Edit; nothing here that hasn't been addressed already. Ignore....

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Well I never read the bible so I wouldn't know. However I have been referred to by a plethora of atheists, to some old testament verses that prove how evil God is. SO yea, the old testament is pretty immoral. Even if that's not the part they follow anymore, it still happened, yet they follow that guy stating he can do no wrong. That's a laugh!

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There are no immoral books in the Bible.

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How can you say that Leviticus 20:13 is not immoral? If you agree with gay people being killed simply for being gay hen you're truly a horrific person. Or say that it is not immoral to stone a rape victim?

lolzors93(3225) Disputed Banned
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How can you say that Leviticus 20:13 is not immoral?

Its not immoral.

If you agree with gay people being killed simply for being gay hen you're truly a horrific person.

How do you say that I'm a horrific person? Are you not presupposing a system of objective morality? But what base do you have for saying that I'm immoral, then? You're being inconsistent.

So, no, killing a person who has had homosexual relations is not immoral, insofar as the person has been condemned. I don't see any problem with killing a person who has been condemned to death for having homosexual relations. Its simple justice. Do you hate justice?

Or say that it is not immoral to stone a rape victim?

Oh, we say that it is immoral to stone a rape victim, if she has indeed been the victim of rape.

DrawFour(2662) Clarified
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This is another example (you asked me in another debate how what you say seems blurry to me) I say that anyone who honestly believes everything in the bible is good, is just odd, and that oddness seems unrealistic to me. Unrealistic online means trolling.

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I pretty much proved that wrong :/

lolzors93(3225) Disputed Banned
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In what way?

There is absolutely no immorality being taught to us that can be found in the bible. The rules we follow are all moral and those moral laws come from our law giver, which is God.

thousandin1(1931) Clarified
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Just to clarify- so you're saying that it is not immoral to kill gay people, force women to marry the men who raped them, or to take and keep slaves, so long as those are done under the circumstances deemed ok by the bible- which would appear to be all cases, according to this?

Starchild123(832) Clarified
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Yep. If God says it is okay then I am okay with it since he is my moral law giver.

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Yep your right. These are all totally moral.

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The taste of sarcasm in your argument is strong, but it's true. The bible isn't immoral.

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Deuteronomy 22:28-29

This is not rape this is consensual sex. The praise "he seizes her" would seem to mean rape in todays language but in the language of that period it is implied that she yielded to him.

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It clearly says rape.

thousandin1(1931) Clarified
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I believe what he is getting at is that this English translation uses the term rape; he is possibly asserting that a different word was translated as 'rape' from the Hebrew Torah.

I'm not familiar with this one, but it's similar to the distinction between the Hebrew 'ratsakh' and modern terms like 'kill' and 'murder' in the ten commandments. No idea if he's onto anything here or grasping at straws though.

hoegy(308) Disputed
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Im looking at my bible right now it says seizes. Its the n kjv version, also I looked it up in the king James version it says seizes. So the word got translated wrong, the english version. If you want to underatand the bible better perhaps you should try and understand some hebrew first.

Cartman(18192) Disputed
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implied that she yielded to him

Yes, but yielded only implies no one heard her screams for help.

Pretty much. lolzors and starchild123 are either trolls or mentally insane.

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Pretty sure neither is the case. How are we mentally insane? We have a basis for our morality. What is your basis? If you don't have a moral law giver how would you even know what is right and what's wrong? How would you even know if everybody has subjective morals? At least we have an objective basis. Nothing is immoral to us that's in the bible, well at least that's how it is for me. You just can't judge people like that based off of your subjective interpretation of me. Unless you have a religion, if that's the case then ignore this.

I think so. There is violence and bigotry galore. I think this section should be removed from the Bible.