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yes,indeed. no, not at all
Debate Score:17
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Total Votes:18
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Is election a good way to choose leaders?

yes,indeed.

Side Score: 10
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no, not at all

Side Score: 7

I think so. The people have the right to choose their leaders.

Side: yes,indeed.
corpse(49) Disputed
1 point

Yes, they've the right to choose their own. But they don't have the right to choose others' leaders. Thus the conundrum.

Side: no, not at all
1 point

That is an inherent problem then. If you want a majority wins vote then the others who didn't win their vote have to abide by their new set of rules or rulers. Not much can be stopped about that.

Side: yes,indeed.
2 points

Good is subjective.

However, I believe it's subjectively better than any alternatives I can think of, but would be willing to change my mind if another way to choose leaders was presented, that I felt was better.

Side: yes,indeed.
1 point

The question is tautological. Election = "the choosing of"

Side: yes,indeed.
1 point

Only if it is done by popular vote, as opposed to using the electoral college.

Side: yes,indeed.
1 point

Only if it is done by popular vote, as opposed to using the electoral college.

Side: yes,indeed.

Yes, election (voting) is a recognition that might makes right and an attempt to allocate that might in a way that minimizes violence.

Side: yes,indeed.
1 point

yes it is a good way becoz it makes the people chose the leaders they want

Side: yes,indeed.
3 points

So many problems.

It causes our government to be full of people who won popularity contests as opposed to those who are the best fit for their jobs.

Sitting politicians have to take a lot of time away from their job to prepare or campaign for the next election.

It favors the wealthy.

It forces politicians to make empty promises, be dishonest and engage in mudslinging.

No self-respecting corporation would put their highest positions in the hands of the public. The government may not be a corporation, but that shouldn't prevent them from selecting the best for the job based on merit and experiences other than campaigning.

First-past-the-post voting limits the viability of third parties and encourages minority rule.

Side: no, not at all
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

Are these problems inherent to the electoral process, or a consequence of how the electoral process is established? For example, other democratic/republic states have coalition governments rather than a two-party system that shuts out third parties.

Side: yes,indeed.
MuckaMcCaw(1970) Clarified
1 point

I'd say both. I would support other systems of voting (such as a single transferable vote system) over the FPTP system used by the US (and don't get me started on the electoral college). But even if we had a better system, voting still equate to mob rule and many of the things being voted on require specialized knowledge not held by the general populace.

I'm more in favor of a meritocracy where people are selected for public office based on their education and experience in the fields covered by that specific office. Specific laws would be established and fine-tuned by comittees of people with expertise in the subjects being covered (energy and environmental experts deciding energy policy, economists covering most economic policies, etc). Granted, this has issues as well, but as of now I see it favorable to mob rule and popularity contests being the guiding forces of the nation.

Side: yes,indeed.
1 point

One would think so yet look at the sorry asses we end up with. Maybe a lottery would be better.

Side: no, not at all
1 point

Absolutely not. I don't know about anyone else but I don't like a collective of strangers determining who does or does not determine what I can and cannot do with my own freedom.

Side: no, not at all
Jace(5222) Clarified
1 point

Better the oppressive dictator you know than the collective masses and rotating government you know less well?

Side: yes,indeed.