Is it a sin, probably. Is it wrong? IMHO, NO. Posted 67 days ago
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Loud, I am sorry, but you need to make a choice. You think it's probably a sin and yet you don't think it's wrong? Could you be any more contradictory? Is homosexuality a sin? The Bible clearly shows that God sees it as a sin. I am straight, yet I know many people who are homosexual. I don't cast any blame or judgment on them. I know it is wrong, but I am not responsible for the souls of anyone other than myself and my children. Someone's sexual preference is a matter between them, their partner, and God. Posted 64 days ago
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"Sin is a term used mainly in a religious context to describe an act that violates a moral rule, or the state of having committed such a violation." - Wikipedia Just because I think its a sin doesn't mean I subscribe to the religion whose context describes the act. BOOYA! Posted 64 days ago
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Calebsdaddy, I respect the position of your argument, however I must disagree with the assumption is is based on, as is evidenced by the second and third sentences; the former being a question and the latter being the answer I have a problem with. Whether or not something is right or wrong has no bearing on whether or not something can be considered a sin. I make no claims as to who or what entity passes decisions pertaining to the qualifications of the attributable sinliness/godhoodery of any action or state of being. Posted 64 days ago
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Yes, in the bible being gay is considered a sin. But should we use the bible as the thing to decide what is right or wrong. I don`t think so. Posted 53 days ago
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calebsdaddy, it's evident that Loud has made a choice, and it's the same one as myself. Homosexuality IS considered a sin, because the bible SAYS it is a sin. However, SHOULD it be a sin? That depends on how you define sin. sin1 (sĭn) pronunciation n. 1. A transgression of a religious or moral law, especially when deliberate. 2. Theology. 1. Deliberate disobedience to the known will of God. 2. A condition of estrangement from God resulting from such disobedience. 3. Something regarded as being shameful, deplorable, or utterly wrong. Going by the first definition, then yes, it should be a sin. However, being as I am not religious, and don't affiliate with Christianity in any way, I am more apt to define sin as the third definition: Something regarded as being...wrong. In that case, no, it should NOT be a sin. Posted 29 days ago
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Interestin point Loud... According to religion...it is a sin...so my answer is YES. But, religion and sin, are irrelavent concepts until you can prove religion to be true beyond any doubt, which is impossible by its own definition. Religion is faith. Thus meaning any argument religion has in regards to what is right and wrong in our society is not relevant and irrational. However, to add yet another circular argument... In reality, you can argue that because of their numbers amongst popular belief, that religion FORCES relevance. But, if we are talking rationally and philosophically...religion is a virus on a productive and foward moving society. Posted 67 days ago
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Our societies morals and values, whether people like it or not, have been defined largely by a single religion, Christianity. By saying that what religion says in terms of morality is irrelevant and irrational you ignore this fact and thus I would challenge you to provide a source of modern morality that is completely separate from religion. Posted 67 days ago
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I have to disagree with you on this one. While it is true that some of our moral and values have been mimicked from religion, they come from ideas way before mono-theism. Back in Greek times where the Idea of democracy was originally formed. Furthermore, morals and values, even within our society range from the community you are in. The values that are important for a church community in Kansas who believe in creationism are very different from the morals and values of a gay community in San Francisco or even a primarily Hindu town like Edison, NJ. Fortunately, our society is structured around laws that are fair for ALL, not just one group. THIS is what our society is based on....having a clause in the constitution for FREEDOM of religion is a far cry from a nation being based on Christianity. Iran is a Islamic fundamentalist nation. THIS is an example of a government being run by religious morals and values solely. For example, if you cheat on your husband in Iran, you are stoned. That doesn't happen here. And if you say because in christianity, people aren't stoned for that...haha...I implore you to read the old testament...people were stoned for MUCH less than that. Don't forget, Islam is based from the same Abrahamic god that Christianity is...as well Judiasm. Posted 67 days ago
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I was in no way implying that Christianity was the root of our society's morals. Nor was I attempting to insinuate that homosexuality was a sin. Merely disputing the point that religion is irrelevant. Morals, values and ethics are all stemmed from religion. Whether you trace them to Christianity, Judaism, Islam, polytheism, Buddhism, or what have you the root is the same. Only in the most recent of times have people attempted to form moral systems completely outside the scope of religion, and even those are so similar to those founded on religion that one can hardly argue that their roots were not the same as a specific religion. I can't recall the specific passage but I am almost 100% certain that at one point in the New Testament that Jesus says that all the old laws are revoked and only his teachings are true. Thus no stoning based off of the laws of the Old Testament, and no dietary restrictions either. As for Islam and Iran, all religions can be taken to extremes look at the Crusades. It's a matter of interpretation, which generally carries with it a political agenda. Finally I'm not positive where democracy comes into all of this. In reality if you look to Greece for an example of democracy you'll find Athens, and in the end the Athenians greed and mismanagement of their budding "empire" led to their downfall. Not the best example for the American people to follow. Posted 66 days ago
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PVT, sorryman, but not only did you imply that Christianity was the root of morality but you said that EXACTLY...read here: Our societies morals and values, whether people like it or not, have been defined largely by a single religion, Christianity. By saying that what religion says in terms of morality is irrelevant and irrational you ignore this fact and thus I would challenge you to provide a source of modern morality that is completely separate from religion. If you don't mean what you say, you should re-read what you write. Again, I am disagreeing with you that morals and values are stemmed from modern religion....they are not. Not at all. Morals and values stem from a need for humans to work together. We are social creatures and in order to create civilized society, rules (morals and values) needed to be established. Religion did not bring these ideas to mankind, they were built in by a need to survive. And these rules we shaped and re-shaped over time. Now, they were modified by religion over time, and in that sense, yes...religon has modified some of what are morals and values are. Murder for example, the idea of murder being immoral goes all the way back to the Sumarians, (the first known civilized society), by the way...they worshiped a sun god and did not have organized religion. No offense, but religion tries very hard to make themselves legitimate, and much of that comes from people making assumptions about what religion is responsible for (i.e. "the thought that without religion there will be no morals"). And yes, I will say it again, religion must be irrelavant because it doesnt represent everyone AND it offers no proof that it is real. We can not run a society based on a superstition. (when I call it a superstition, I call it that because it can neither be proven OR disproven. You just CANNOT run a FAIR society on that basis. You CANNOT!!!) If you believe, keep your believe in your heart...if there is a god, let HIM sort it out in the end. Greece offered us (and the world) a very basic idea of what democracy is. If you think about, democracy is STILL imperfect even now. If you think that America is a bastion of democracy, I answer that by saying....now way. Ask any African American or American Indian about that. I can also point you to the last 2 presidential election and our WHOLE election process. This is not to say that I don't love this country and what is possible with our system. The real underlying idea is there and is strong. I personally think that we are screwed up because of capitalism...and I can argue many points about that. But, the system that we have allows room for change....and THAT makes it great. Posted 64 days ago
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The Greek word for "sin" used in the new testament is hymartia, meaning, "to miss the mark." If this is the definition meant by the question, as it should be in any religious context (for God is the one who defines sin and its counterpart, perfection), then absolutely and by all means. Homosexuality goes against the very thread of our being, against the way we were created. It does not only miss "the mark" of perfection to which all human beings should strive, but it seems not to even shoot the arrow. Posted 67 days ago
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It's just a brown bullseye instead of a pink one! :) Posted 66 days ago
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I dont believe the absence of procreation makes homosexuality "against the very thread " of anything. In the wild you will see animals exhibiting homosexual behavior - are they choosing to sin against their nature? Couldn't one argue that because some people have sexual impulses for the same sex, as well as the ability to sexually function with the same sex (albeit without procreation), a sign that perhaps homosexuality was intended by our creator? Posted 61 days ago
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What kind of animals do you see exhibit homosexual behavior? Posted 61 days ago
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Over 1600 different species of animals have been observed engaging in homosexual acts. Most of them have been vertebrates. Large numbers of them also include fish, birds, and insects. In fact, many species of monkeys, which are close to us on the evolutionary scale, have been observed engaging in homosexual acts. Posted 28 days ago
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Basically sin means something that is wrong, so... If the ENTIRE Human race became devout homosexuals at this very moment, then the Human race would cease to exist within one hundred years. So, that means homosexuality is contrary to the survival of the species and thereby wrong behaviour. Posted 67 days ago
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If every member of the human race became computer programmers, no one would know how to harvest our food. So, that means computer programming is contrary to the survival of the species and thereby wrong behavior. Posted 66 days ago
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Uh oh, looks like I better put my MacBook down and learn how to till the land. Posted 61 days ago
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Ok, so if every Human in the world decided to have sex, but not procreate, that is wrong, too? It would have the exact same results. Not only that, many homosexuals choose to be artificially inseminated or have surrogate mothers, which does allow the human race to survive. Being homosexual has nothing to do with having children or not. I enjoy sex quite a bit, but you betcha I'm not having any damn kids!!! Posted 61 days ago
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Awesome point HGrey! Markwho...I hope you don't honestly think the human race is going to fold because of the small population of homosexuals...furthermore, just because one is homosexuals doesn't mean a person is stupid. Even if the world would somehow magically become 100% gay, threating our existance, doesn't mean that people wouldn't get the bright idea of having sex with the opposite sex, in order to keep the species alive. It's not like you become gay and cross gender sexual intercourse becomes impossible! Posted 63 days ago
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If the entire human race became homosexual, women could still have babies. Read the book The Female Man by Joanna Russ. I think you'll see that women don't need men. Me, I like men, but I'd get by with friendly pleasure in a world where there were no testosterone-overwhelmed humans. ;) Posted 56 days ago
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