Is homosexuality morally wrong?
Yes, it goes against nature!
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Nope!
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Morally wrong is all too perspective. "homosexuality" doesn't require you to have sexual relations with other men, rather just find your own sex more attractive. I can't say I approve of the sexual relations business But who am i to say what others can and can't do. Shit, if we waited for everyones approval we would get nowhere. 556 days ago
Arguing for this on a moral ground is irrelavent, as each person has their own moral and ethics. For example a christian telling an atheist of homosexual orientation that God forbids the act, will mean nothing to the atheist. If we look at it from a biological perspective it is much easier for both sides to put points across that the other can understand. So let us consider sexuality. In terms of simple biology we are created to reproduce. Thus we are biologicaly created to be attracted to the opposite sex, same sex cannot produce offspring. Therefore if an individual is born with homosexual tendancies he/she can technically be defined as having a disorder. Since it goes against our biology. Just because this is a disorder, that does not allow discrimination. That does not change the fact that it is a disorder and should be treated as such. If we accept homosexuality as something normal, then logically we should also accept other sexual disorders. Such as beastiality, paedophilia etc. The danger of homosexuality can be seen in simple statistics: Lesbians are 19 times more likely than heterosexual women to have had syphilis, twice as likely to suffer from genital warts, and four times as likely to have scabies (New England Journal of Medicine 317:973,1987). Life expectancy of homosexual men and women without AIDS is about 33 years shorter than that of the heterosexual (Cameron, Playfair, Wellum, The Homosexual Lifespan, Family Research Institute, Feb 14, 1992). A recent study of Massachusetts teenagers, published in the American Journal of Public Health (Anne H. Faulkner and Kevin Cranston, "Correlates of Same-Sex Sexual Behavior in a Random Sample of Massachusetts High School Students," February 1998, p. 264) discovered that self-identified gays were: nine times more likely to have reported using alcohol on a daily basis; six times more likely to report having recently used cocaine than their heterosexual counterparts; nineteen times more likely to report having used cocaine on ten or more occasions per month; five times more likely to report having used other illegal drugs, including cocaine, twenty or more times in their lives; nearly seven times more likely to report ever having injected an illegal drug; fifty percent more likely than their heterosexual counterparts to have considered committing suicide. Another point to clear up is the misconception that the church and most catholics are homophobic. The Church is, however, opposed to homosexual activity -- doing sexual things with someone of the same sex. This opposition comes not out of condemnation, but out of love and concern for the persons involved. 534 days ago
Your biology argument is flawed because we can find numerous animal species who often have homosexual tendencies: Elephants, dolphins, squirrels and many species of birds fish and reptiles to name just a few. The reason for this is having some homosexual offspring beneficial for various reasons (the siblings of homosexual animals tend to have more offspring). If you want an in depth explanation of the biological reason for homosexuality please check out the video link below. You then go on to compare homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia without describing why other than saying that they're all sexual disorders (homosexuality stopped being considered a psychiatric disorder decades ago). What makes pedophilia wrong is that a child is being abused and what makes bestiality wrong is that an animal is being abused. Two people of the same gender having consensual sex hurts no one, and therefor does not fall into the same category. I can only guess that you attempted to make homosexuality look bad by placing it next to these two terrible acts, and if so, shame on you. I'm not quite sure what your point is with the statistics about diseases. Are you trying to say that having homosexual sex will kill you? Or are you saying that God strikes them down for sinning? As for your statistic about considering suicide...did you ever stop to think why? If you lived in a society where people condemned your feelings and said that you would be damned for something that you have very little control over (attraction towards the same sex) don't you think you sometimes might be depressed. To clear up any confusion, I personally am straight and was raised a catholic but I don't think that what your doing is showing "love and concern for the persons involved." The Evolution of Homosexuality
470 days ago | Tagged As: Homosexuality is natural
Well, on that commentless note: http://www.newscientist.com/article/ 548 days ago
Man has a purpose for which he was created. On the issue of sexuality I think it is rather obvious how man was designed to function by looking at the plumbing. We have even taking this concept and brought into other fields like plumbing and electrical. Were we speak of male and female connectors. No contractor is going to connect two things together with two male connectors or two female connectors; it doesn't happen because they were not designed to function that may. I think we has humans instinctively recognize this concept and to deny it is folly. However in the debate on homosexuality I think there is a middle ground that is almost always missed. Greg Koukl from Stand to Reason (str.org) has just written an excellent article on this forgotten point. I've linked it for consideration because I think it is something that needs to be remember by both sides in this debate.
Supporting Evidence:
There's Someone Valuable in There
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32 days ago | Tagged As: Homosexuality Morality
Well if we use the classical definition of moral I think we would have to say, maybe. As it stands now this is one of the question our culture is wrestling with right now. Should homosexual behavior be part of the mores of our culture or is it outside of our mores and therefore judged to be wrong by our culture. As it stands right now the majority thinks it's wrong, but that could change. However, I think the greater question is; is it actually wrong as opposed to the majority just thinking it's wrong. Is it contrary to the ethos? or to put it another way; is it unethical? to answer that requires knowing the universals of our existence and not just taking an opinion poll. Because, how many of us in our lifetime have thought we were right only to latter find out we were actually wrong. You see it doesn't matter what we think about something, only the way it actually is. So if we say homosexuality is right and it turns out that reality is different, then we're wrong and so is homosexuality. That's what makes something right or wrong, it's correspondence to reality, not our opinion and hence not the societies agreed upon mores. So then what is ultimate reality? How you answer that question determines how you answer the question of this debate. Is the cosmos all there is, ever was and ever will be, to quote Carl Sagan. Or is there something that transcends the cosmos and therefore defines the cosmos. If there is, then right and wrong are determined by conformity to it's character and nature. So, to put it another way; something is right when it corresponds to ultimate reality. So in closing let me say this; You will never find the answer to this question by looking at the particulars of our universe. You need the big picture, you need to know the universals of reality 27 days ago | Tagged As: not by the classical definition of moral
Firstly it goes against nature and secondly it will physiically and mentally harm the society in a lot of ways. Imagine two male parents adopted a son that is 2 years old and the two dads brought the son up. When the son see a family picture of a normal family he might think why does my mum have so much MUSCLES ? When that kid grows up in that homosexual family, he will be deprived from the motherly love which all children in this world should have. You can't have two dads, it will be embarassing for a kid to admit it to his friends and teachers if he had two dads. That kid will feel abnormal and utterly disgraced when he found out about the truth that his parents aren't normal and he was adopted. Imagine the hurt and the pain that poor child will feel when he realized the cruel truth... Homosexuality might be right to some but it the majourity of the people condemned homosexuality as it is wrong in the very first place. If you oppose nature, you might as well oppose everything. Your life is as good as ruined. Think carefully if you're about to engage in homosexual activicties. You might contract STD's D": 259 days ago | Tagged As: No Homosexuality
I'm having a hard time not resorting to petty argument tactics such as "you are stupid". But let me be clear. You _ARE_ stupid. Having gotten that out of the way, let's discuss why. First, you think a boy who sees a picture of a "normal" family will be confused that his "mom" has muscles. A 2 year old is well aware of gender differences and perfectly capable of understanding that he has two dads, rather than a mom and a dad. Secondly, you believe that child will feel hurt and pain at the "cruel truth". What cruel truth is that exactly? That he was adopted by two loving people to be given a better life than he otherwise would have had? Finally, STD's are contractable by heterosexuals too. I ask that you stop and think prior to engaging in discussion. I have one further question for you. If homosexuality goes against nature as you say, then is it a choice people make? And if so, when did you choose to be heterosexual? 127 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
Super wrong..im not a fanatical religous zealot im just a new father who pays attention to the degradation of humanity.putting your penis in another mans anus is not natural and is not healthy at all.I dont promote backwards evolution i dont care how much i like Elton John.We are suffering from a wave of young homosexuals in my town and its sad to see the youth travelling down such a wrong path following such a weak trend. im sure scientific info will surface in the future that will probably link all the chemical abuses the parents underwent decades ago and the genetically modiifed foods the children were raised on as culprits in this sad phase of humanity.. 535 days ago
Ok... this strikes me as something very similar to the whole ID debate. Here's the thing: The true beauty of nature, is that if it happens, then it is natural. See how simple is that? That is why it is so beautiful! Just like for those who believe in God, the mystery of faith is beautiful, because out of nothing, through faith, God suddenly exists for a person. The concept of "unnatural" is a fallacy, it has been created as a means to justify moral positions, faith based conceptions of the cosmos and of course oppression. Nature is everything. Nature has no right or wrong. It just is. So, in this light, if homosexuality exists, it is therefore natural. Just like diseases exist and they are in turn, natural. So, the difference lies in the fact that disease is unwanted, and can end your life, hence something that has to be fought and conquered. Homosexuality does not kill, only if it is confronted with bigotry and intolerance. If homosexuality is unwanted for some reason, then bigotry and intolerance are unwanted as well. If bigotry and intolerance are natural reactions, then homosexuality is natural as well. You see? It never ends! That's what happens when you apply wrong concepts, such as unnaturalness to an argument. If you narrow down whats natural to only that to which a species is "normally" inclined to do or behave like then you are denying evolution, and that falls in religious territory. Even though, using this definition would make homosexuality natural in HUMANS. Just because it can't be applied to the rest of the animal kingdom it doesn't mean that it can't be applied to humans, after all, isn't the whole religious debate based on precisely that, just how special and different from all living thins we are? 556 days ago
Well I don't think we should go about having sex with animals for health reasons, but, I agree with you questioning, why is it wrong? I guess that it might be wrong if we have no means to know if its consensual. If you have sex with an animal and it doesn't know he is involved in a sexual situation just for the pleasure of a human being, could be wrong. If you are totally sure that the animal feels pleasure while engaging in acts of a sexual nature with you there still is the question of choice. Is there a possibility to determine if an animal is agreeing to participate in sex with you with 100% certainty? I guess science can help us determine that one. Limiting sex to a mere reproductive procedure is to ignore the vast and clear cultural and social meanings attached to it. The existence of this debate consitutes an example of this. 556 days ago
1) A ridiculous and fallacious argument in too many ways to count. One fallacy is in that you assume A is true by axiom, and thus conclude that X is true because A is. They are not related. One could make the argument that having sex with animals is wrong because an animal A) is potentially abusive, something like rape. B) doesn't possess the intelligence to consent (aside from a dogs capacity to hump just about anything in its path). Humans, conversely, may decide as mature (young) adults to have consensual sex with the same or opposite gender on their own freewill. 2) Another fallacy you make is what I call the "Yuck!" fallacy. Something sounding yucky to you does not make it wrong, or else the delicacies of some countries are now apparently immoral. It's an entirely subjective take on things. The Greeks for example had a tolerating culture that viewed male on male sex as a bonding brotherly experience, ie. the opposite of yuck. 3) A final fallacy you make (in such a short space might I add. Impressive.) is the notion that even if you can prove something is socially unacceptable or "yucky," that that makes it morally wrong. It only makes it socially or culturally wrong. Morality is much deeper than that and has no real baring on homosexuality. 555 days ago
well as humans were NOT "designed" i would say your agrument is flawed. Maybe this is the next evolutionary step to help reduce over population, maybe not, but i highly doubt Homosexuality leads to criminal behavior, any more than heterosextual behavior. I wonder how many heterosextual's are in jail. Some of the best works of art were created, composed or directed by gays. I would say the world would have a lot to lose, should a whole culture cease to exist 556 days ago
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I've made a personal life choice and I think I have a genetic disposition to taking other peoples things; I'm a thief. Sometimes I do get violent when I do it and hurt people but that's OK cause I was born this way and nobody should tell me what I can or can't do; I'm entitled to live my live as I see fit. Oh yeah, could you send me your address, I'd like to see were you live. I bet you've got some cool stuff. Final thought, I'll bet money you don't instinctively believe your argument. You only believe it when your trying to justify your behavior that you instinctively know is wrong. But If somebody is violating you I'd bet a million dollars you get morally objective real quick and say something like; you shouldn't do that. To which I would reply; why not? And you might say; because it's wrong. And I would say; how do you know it's wrong? And you might say; I just know it is. So I don't have to prove your argument is false because you know instinctively that it is. 32 days ago | Tagged As: Yes, it goes against nature!
One does not have to actively procreate to support the gene pool. Two obvious ways are reducing resource contention so your relatives are better able to survive and actively assisting in the support of related offspring to improve their odds and/or levels of success. In fact, the way things are going, reducing reproduction is going to be critical to species survival. However, one first needs to define "right" and "wrong" before one can claim that something is one or the other. 553 days ago
You're absolutely ignorant. Who cares if someone doesn't carry on the family line? Honestly, if a gay couple wants to have a child, there are scientific ways to go about that. Also, the world is flooded with orphans and abandoned children and gay couples who adopt are supporting the world cause of reducing the amount of homeless children that exist. 528 days ago
The word moral is so subjective that is means the same thing to just ask, "Is homosexuality right or wrong?" Bringing morality into it just confuses the intention of the question. Also, discussing what our bodies were "designed" for implies a designer (god). Asking how god views anything is ridiculous because you either a) believe everything in the bible so there is little room for debate or b) have created your own neo-conservative idea of God that's so subjective that it just turns into whatever you want it to be. I voted NOPE because it's a silly question and needs to be more specific. 556 days ago
It's astounding to me that this debate even exists. As a homosexual I find it odd that my very existence seems to be an abominable nuisance, a danger even, to certain groups of people. I am still waiting for arguments that indicate that homosexuality, in and of itself, is harmful to those who practice it. I am still waiting for the explanation as to what harm it does to the surrounding society, especially when it is legal and sanctioned with marriage, adoption rights, and other legal protections and promotions. Noone has ever been killed by homosexuality, noone has ever fallen dead in the streets upon seeing two men or two women kiss each other. I have yet to be notified of an instance in which two members of the same sex making love has caused catastrophe. So long as the relationships are consensual, loving, caring, safe, and stable (the same goes for straight relationships) I feel pretty secure with the idea that I am doing nothing wrong, that I am nothing wrong, and that my contribution to society is no more positive or negative then the next person's. Some say homosexuality is against god, my gods say it is a-okay. Some say homosexuality is against nature, it's practiced by a number of birds and mammals to the benefit of themselves and their young. Some say homosexuals are concerned mainly with sex, I'd like to think we're not the only ones (as the nearly 6 billion people on this planet can atest to). 554 days ago
whenever these stupid debates (like this one) comes up, I want you to replace the owrds homo, fag, whatever to black. So read the question as so: Is being black morally wrong? Just because someone is GAY doesn't make them any less of a person. They deserve the same rights and privileges as anyone of us, which includes marriage. If anyone of moron asked a question like "is being black morally wrong" you would be labeled a racist and have Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson on you so fast your head would spin, but it's ok to say it about gays. So no, it's not morally wrong the same as being black isn't morally wrong. It amazes me that in the 21st century, prejudice and racism has shifted from blacks to gays. And yes, being prejudice twoards gays is being racist. As my English teacher once told me, "the only race is the human race". 555 days ago
Homosexuality is a natural phenomenon: people are born and some are gay. Nothing has been "tinkered with". As proof that it's not a "social invention", we can observe other members of the animal kingdom who also have the incidence of homosexuality within their populations. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ and the links therein. It can't conceivably be condemned as "unnatural" when it's natural. Add to that the fact that even if it was a social construction, that alone wouldn't make it bad. 372 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
Nope, if the homosexual thinks they are being morally wrong by being gay, then I guess to them it's morally wrong, to me my morals say it's not wrong. So. Morals of each person differ. I don't have a choice to change someones morals. They can do what they want 258 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
See This Debate not because it is the same but because there are some references to the morality of homosexuality mixed in with the discussion about sin. 556 days ago
No -- A. Homosexuality is not even a moral question. It is at best a social transgression and has no bearing on empathy, guilt, and other moral manifestations. Opposition of support of Homosexuality is about as moral a matter as opposition or support for monogamy, or Chinese checkers. It's social and cultural. B. Nope. "It goes against our nature," does not only commit the naturalistic fallacy but begs the question of who's nature? It certainly doesn't go against the nature of homosexuals :P 555 days ago
I love the "it goes against nature!" argument. What is nature? Are we only here to reproduce, by means of a man and a woman? Then what is everything else for? Why even debate, online, on a computer, with electricity, in a house, in a town of people? Why not live in the woods and breed with someone, stopping only to eat and rest? What is art for? What is technology, sports, cities, or anything else human-made for? Just because men and women have interlocking parts, doesn't mean that people are mandated to utilize them that way. Many animals engage in sexual pleasure with members of the same sex, especially many primates. They are natural, so isn't that nature? Just because the thought of something is gross, doesn't make it unnatural or morally wrong. And for all of you calling homosexuality a choice, doesn't that make heterosexuality a choice as well? Just like having or not having sex or a relationship with anyone is a choice. And who is being hurt here for it to be called morally wrong? 535 days ago
Personally, myself, I would never have sex with another man. But, there are gay men that feel the same way about women. Who am I to tell them that they cant do what they want, it hurts nobody. Even if the strictest bible interpretations are right there is some judgment day at hand or whatever, it still doesn't affect me. 535 days ago
I should think it would depend on whose moral standard you're trying to justify. I can certainly understand why some people my still labor under that idea, however, in the face of medical findings on the homosexual brain throughout the largest curve of the HIV/AIDS epidemic I cannot quite comprehend why anyone would think that way at this late date. The differences found between the heterosexual and homosexual brain prove, beyond the shadow of a doubt, that there is a center of the brain that is not the same. Hence, facts would dictate that morality is not in question here. 501 days ago | Tagged As: Homosexuality Morality
http://www.youtube.com/ People don't choose to be gay! If people are saying its wrong to be born gay, its like saying its wrong to be born a certain race. Also how is natural birth can possibliy be morally wrong? 332 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
Nope! What's wrong about homosexuality? I think that it is a personal choice. Marriage is about union of two souls, not two genders. As long as the couples love each other, no matter they are a gay or a lesbian, they do have their rights to get married, no one should have stop them. Although homosexuals can't reproduce, they could adopt those homeless children as their child. The reason why some people who think that homosexuality is morally wrong is because it is against their religion but do they ever think about others? Must others gonna be same as them. No one has the rights to force others to do things because in this 21st century, everyone do have their freedom! 287 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
Well, dolphins are sometimes gay. God apparently made everything but humans were apparently the only ones capable of sin due to that whole apple job a&e;pulled. Something like that anyways. If dolphins can have gay sex without incurring the wrath of god, I'm sure it should be no different for humans. 258 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
This argument is quite simple. Either homosexuality is a choice, or it is something you are born with. Having never made the choice to be heterosexual, I believe it is a natural phenomenon that people are born with. Perhaps it is God's way of limiting population growth. To those that believe it is a choice, did YOU ever choose to be heterosexual? If it is not a choice, then there is no point arguing the morality of it. Morality involves choices you make. It would be like saying being black is immoral. It's simply idiotic. 127 days ago | Tagged As: Nope!
There's nothing morally wrong with homosexuality in itself...to each his/her own. What IS morally wrong however...is the raging flamers...the walking talking stereotypes that have a completely unnecessary high level of flamboyance and femininity. Those types of people just make me freakin' uncomfortable. 551 days ago
"According to University of Oslo zoologist Petter Böckman, about 1,500 animal species are known to practice same-sex coupling, including bears, gorillas, flamingos, owls, salmon and many others." The question at hand must be what one considers to be moral? Every person obviously will have a different opinion on this matter, however the sheer ignorance of many to compare homosexuality with acts performed that reduce other peoples quality of life such as violence, rape etc. deeply upsets me. Why should heterosexual people be encouraged to follow their natural desires resulting in happiness, yet homosexuals be expected to avoid their natural desires and live a life of misery? An immoral act is one that goes against another's personal beliefs and has a direct impact on their life as a result. Such as stealing etc. Homosexuality does not and has been around for thousands of years, yet has been ignored by the sheer volume of heterosexuals due to homosexuals being unable to reproduce. It cannot be caught, anyone who believes such and similar rubbish should perhaps talk to someone who actually is experiencing the reality in this world of being gay! 550 days ago
I find it misleading to say its "against nature." To claim something is against nature because it is something you would not do or find distasteful is demonstrably untrue, as there are several cases of homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom. Bonobos (one of our closest relatives evolutionarily) are very active sexually and engage in both heterosexual and homosexual activities. It is also not a "choice," as many people (who think homosexuality is wrong) tend to think, and should be accepted as much as the other millions of differences between individual humans. 536 days ago
Homosexuality is not a choice, it's (even proven to be) a genetic factor. The environment plays no role in the realization or establishment of homosexuality but it does help or harm a gay person depending on the circumstances. On a broader topic: why would anyone even consider this to be morally wrong? As an atheist, I can ask similar questions about Christians. My belief is that the bible is complete bullshit and worthless, and that those who follow Christianity are just too stupid or weak to accept the logic around them. Though I may feel this way, I would never consider their beliefs or actions as something that is morally wrong. Similarly, do I hate blacks for being black, or hispanics for having a hispanic heritage? No. The narrow-mindedness of the human race is absolutely atrocious. To see so many people fall in to this safe comfort zone (misquoting the Bible and denouncing homosexuality as a sinful choice) truly hurts me. As someone from a European heritage, I must say that America is lacking the sense of compassion for one another. Though it is impossible to find a country where "peace" is wanted by all, people must strive to better the human race. To deny something as evident as homosexuality -- or to demean homosexuals by claiming that their actions are sinful -- is heartless and ignorant. To all of you who clicked "Yes" for this debate, you should honestly be aware that you are not only closing yourself off from a broad mindset, but you are also demeaning nearly 25% of the population. 528 days ago
Homosexuality certainly doesn't go against nature, even if you assume there does exist a 'designer'. There are many clear examples of homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom. At least 450 vertebrate species engage in some form of homosexual behavior.(Giraffes, bottlenose dolphins, killer whales, gray whales, and West Indian manatees all engage in homosexual orgies.)
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http://scienceblogs.com/cortex/2008/04/the_dud_stud.php
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