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Is homosexuality wrong?

 Homosexuality is a growing position in todays societies, are you for it or against it? I for one am against it as it is sickening and gross and against the Bible and against the laws of nature. And most homosexuals and bi-sexuals (a sub category of homosexuality) spread and have HIV and many STDs.

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6 points

Morally? no.

Fundamentally? perhaps.

Personally, I prefer women, but I have no qualms against people who prefer the same gender.

Considering many life forms require the sex cells from the opposite gender in order to procreate, one might have a logical argument against homosexuality in a fundamental sense. A moral argument I think would be harder to form, we are slaves to our consciousness which is developed in various ways in which we have little control over. And if a person likes someone of the same gender, they should not be ridiculed for having those natural inclinations; you gotta feel happy in your own skin.

Side: Against
bdgold1(2) Disputed
2 points

Who is to say that the basis of homosexuality or even love in general is procreation? This measly fact should not have any effect on how we view gay people.

Side: Against
Coldfire(1014) Clarified
2 points

You ask who is to say, then say it’s a fact?

I agree that it doesn’t matter how we look at it, it shouldn’t have an effect on how we view a person, gay or straight. Just to clarify however, I wasn’t advocating discrimination based on how we view the above debate question.

My response was simply to point out that there are different ways to describe what is ‘right or wrong.’ The two that I brought up were regarding ethics and fundamental physiology.

I wouldn’t condone any suspension of a person’s preference to what gender they desire, personal liberty is very important to me, but I must insist that homosexuality can be viewed as fundamentally ‘wrong’ in a way considering human beings are not asexual organisms.

Side: Against
2 points

I believe it is wrong because it goes against nature, but it should be prefectly legal because it doesn't interfere with the rights of others.

Side: Against
Apollo(1607) Disputed
18 points

it goes against nature

This is a lie. Homosexuality has been observed in countless species and is proven to be natural.

Side: For
GenFinger(1) Disputed
2 points

Just because homosexuality may be "seen" does not mean that its "natural".

Furthermore, If it exists in one species does this imply it must exist in all?

What about A-Sexual species? Obviously you see the problem.

Side: Against
IfOnly(11) Disputed
1 point

Saying that something goes against nature cannot be refuted by showing that it is natural.

Nature is referring to the way things fundamentally are or should be. Sex is between a male and female; the parts fit.

Yes, homosexuality has been observed in animals, and yes it is natural in that sense. But that doesn't change what sex is or should be.

Also, defining what is right or wrong based on what animals do seems like a bad idea to me.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
0 points

Which "countless species" are you speaking of? Explain why men and women are built with differing hormones if men were mean't to be with men or vice versa. You are supporting an act that you don't even merely understand the ultimate punishment you will receive if you die and do not repent. Homosexuality is an abomination.

Side: Against
Shanep22007(1) Disputed
0 points

There are two sexes for a reason. Male and female. Reproduction happens naturally between a man and a woman. Two men can't naturally have a child nor can two women. So it's ABSOLUTELY unnatural

Side: Against
ricedaragh(2520) Disputed
6 points

I believe it is wrong because it goes against nature,

I think this point requires expanding on, otherwise it is your opinion and a flawed on at that.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Disputed
2 points

I think he made a pretty clear and concise statement that is easily understood.

Side: Against
steve789(207) Disputed
1 point

It goes against nature the same way beastiality goes against nature, that is not to say it is as wrong as beastiality, just that it is wrong for the same reason as beastiality.

Side: Against
3 points

At least you are balanced .

Side: Against
Uspwns101(445) Disputed
2 points

Thats where your wrong, homosexual marriage being instituted in states like Massachusetts has interfered with the rights of others, look it up.

Side: Against
steve789(207) Clarified
2 points

I never said gay marraige should be legally recognized._________________________

Side: Against
truthteller(64) Disputed
1 point

Then have all the Homo (faggats) move to Massachusetts so we don't have to deal with them let them kill each other off with aids tired of hearing them cry about there rights I wouldn't hire one to work or let my kid go to school with a teacher that is a Homo they try to change what some religions preach who are they to talk bad about what other people belive in make ur own god that belives in whatever u want so u homos can shut up

Side: For
riahlize(1575) Disputed
1 point

...Or since you provided the claim, you could also provide the evidence.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Clarified
1 point

I agree it us against nature but I disagree about it being legalized. But then again, being legalized or not, they do it anyways.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
1 point

It shouldn't be legal and I doubt it will become illegal. Good luck finding a true Christian preacher who will perform the ceremony.

Side: Against
steve789(207) Clarified
2 points

Are you disputing me? I never said gay marraige should be legally recognized. I don't believe any marraige should be legally recognized, because I believe those that don't believe in it but love eachother should have the same legal rights as those that are married.

Side: Against
nahga(81) Disputed
1 point

marriage has existed since long before anyone ever heard of christianity. so no one needs a christian preacher to perform the ceremony., and let's not forget that christian preachers are somewhat revered for their pedophilia. if i was gay, i wouldn't want my marriage tainted by a christian preacher.

Side: For
2 points

Why were men and women created? Why not man mating with man and woman mating with woman.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
1 point

You simply look at the design of man and woman for starters, you moron.

Side: For
ACHLove(20) Disputed
0 points

Sodomy. and their having butt sex. cowboy butt sex....... SODOOOOMMMYYYYHHEEEEEEEE!

Side: Against
IfOnly(11) Clarified
1 point

Pretty sure this Guy was saying that gay sex doesn't make sense. Right?

Side: Against
1 point

Homosexuality is an abomination. If any man thinks homosexuality is right, then they must think beastiality is okay too. Homosexuals are sick in the head and demon possessed.

Side: Against
ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
7 points

I'm sorry, I'll try to be civil, but when confronted with such colossal ignorance, ridicule is the only option. Homosexuality is a genetically determined sexuality, of which the subject can do nothing about. I think homosexuality is absolutely dandy, and I actually have no real "beef" with bestiality either, although I don't openly support it. Please, give me one reason why it is wrong, and I will destroy it in seconds.

PS: STD's can be spread from any sex. And I would actually say that the Catholics are more responsible for the spread of HIV, seeing as they ban contraception.

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
3 points

No it's not, and I'm sorry I disagree with the "it's a chemical off balance" crap too, but if that is the case does that mean they are mentally retarded then?

Yes any type of sex an STD can be caught from but anal sex which most gay men have is a much easier way to catch it. Bestiality? Right? Wow you are more twisted than anyone I've ever encountered! Let's just say having sex with innocent animals is right, wait a second! Innocent animals, they don't even know whats happening to them! So instead of calling it bestiality lets call it "Animal Rape" from now on because that's pretty much what it is.

Side: Against
1 point

I'll try to be civil, but when confronted with such colossal ignorance, ridicule is the only option.

So true...

If debating with idiots was a test of patience, I would fail that...but I would fail in spectacular fashion.

Side: For
steve789(207) Disputed
1 point

If its genetic wise guy, then why are there twice as many gays in cities like Seattle and San Francisco then everywhere else (by proportion)? What is that just some kind of fluke?

Side: Against
0 points

No, HIV came from sick humans sleeping with apes. Just make sure your neighbors know where you stand on beastiality as their little dog is at high risk with you living next door. Just the mere fact that you say you have no beef with it, who knows, you just may "evolve". Do you really realize how sick you really are? You have satan all in you and it's really sad.

Side: Against
Sitara(11101) Disputed
3 points

You are wrong. I am bisexual and I am not demon possessed, you bigot. It is not a sin to be tempted.

Side: For
The Phantom(456) Clarified
1 point

It actually is a sin to be bi. i dont believe you are demon possessed though.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
0 points

You are demon possessed if you are bisexual. You are just an inathentic lesbian. Sin is what creates bisexuality and that sin will damage you mentally, emotionally, physically. Just remember God offers forgiveness who will just trust in the Lord Jesus Chris. I really pray for you.

Side: Against
norincomak90(24) Disputed
-1 points

YES THERE IT IS THE WORD THAT IS FAVORITED BY THE LIBERALS!!! BIIIIIIIGOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OH YEAH!!!!!!!! It's not a sin to be temped but you don't need to fall into your temptation and do what is tempting you. And yes you are demon possessed.

Side: Against
casper3912(1576) Disputed
2 points

You should be made aware of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuum_fallacy

You should also be made aware of this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
1 point

Yes it's two posts of useless crap on wikipedia which can be edited by anyone.

Side: Against
-1 points

You should not be so lame, casper. Do you believe you can screw your neighbor's dog too?

Side: For
BlackSheep(203) Disputed
2 points

Can't argue with that logic, because there is none. You claim a bunch of different things with no support.

It seems to me based on the words here, you are the one who has issues.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Disputed
0 points

Your logic is based on the spirt of satan. You are walking in the flesh and there is no reasoning with those walking in the flesh such as yourself.

Side: Against
Elvira(3446) Disputed
1 point

I'm open about being bisexual, just as you are open about being an opinionated ass. What the hell are you talking about?

Side: For

Leviticus 18:22

You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.

1 Corinthians 6:9–10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Romans 1:26–28

For this reason aGod gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper

Side: Against
xyze(39) Disputed
4 points

The question is not whether a handful of dubious bronze/iron age Palestinians thought homosexuality is wrong, but whether it is wrong. Congratulations, you can quote from a book. I can too. It doesn't validate your point.

Side: For
egga(109) Disputed
4 points

Don't forget that Leviticus calls working on the sabbath day sinful, punishable by death and eating shellfish an abomination.

Side: For
Ludo(15) Disputed
2 points

Why would God allow a society that permits homosexuals to be who they are if he was so against the idea? Just remember that the Bible has some atrocious moments that question its own validity as a means of guidance. The man that offered his daughters to crowds of rapists so that they wouldn't try to have their way with an angel? I forget the name, but that is disgraceful. The Bible shows him as a hero, the one that God chooses to let escape. The Bible has the very real probability of being written for the purpose of control by bourgeois members of society many years ago. Open your eyes and don't just downgrade human beings for their sexual preferences.

Side: For
1 point

The Bible is my moral compass therefore wrong.

Side: Against

as a christian the bible tells us that it is evil, however having said that, i dont se any reason for them to be treated differently. i mean im not perfect ive commited sin. let he who is free of sin cast the first stone. im fairly certain the bible tells us that it isnt our place to judge so while i believe it to be evil im notgoing to condem anyone for it same for people who have sex before marrage etc.

im not perfecti just praise the one who is lol

Side: Against
1 point

homosexuality is wrong because man should be with man. god did not created us to date the same sex

Side: Against
1 point

We are humen being. We have two most common gender in our humen lives one is man and another is female and we weak on our oposite sites; it is naturally happen. Some people say that homosexuality should be legalized. I strongy disagree with it because homosex is prohibited in our religious and it could put bad effect in our sociaty. I have couple of reason to disagree with that.

First of all, we cant go against our cause because we believe that we have to confess to our god if we do something against his rule's.We need to know what is homosexuality. From my side its mean having a sex with same gender. If man has sexual relationship with another thats call homo sex. For that reason i have quetion why do we have different gender if we attractive to same gender. My answere is we have two gender because we are weak to another. Man will attractive to woman and this is natural. We cant go against it. If we do that it would have bad change in the life

Finally, we cant moke our god. Whatever god said in the book it is good for humen. One statistich showed that we are having so many disease because of homo sex and it could be reasom for AID or other Disease. So, my clear opinion is homosexuality shouldnt be legalized because it is wrong.

Side: Against
1 point

I'm still not sure if homosexuality is a genetic impairment or a choice. In any case, I do not support gay marriage - to me, keeping the sanctity of marriage means keeping it between a man and a woman. In any case, when two people get married, it is by a licensed minister and with the blessing of God. God does not condone homosexuality, so how would the marriage even be legit?

That's not to say I don't like gay people - I have a couple of friends who are gay. As long as they don't hit on me, or get into graphic discussions about their sex lives, I have no problem with our friendship.

Side: Against
1 point

How will couples, who happen to be homosexuals, hurt the santicity of marrigage? I think they would be able to improve the sanctity of marriage as more successful marrigaes would mean a lower overall divorce rate.

Marriage does not require relgion. Atheists get married without problems, so why should gay people have an issue. The courts have the power to give marrigage certificates, and as the is a seperation of church and state, religous requirements for marriage are nessicary.

Side: For
egga(109) Disputed
0 points

God DOES condone homosexuality. Because I'm a Christian and I said it, it IS true.

Side: For
IfOnly(11) Disputed
1 point

Your argument does not follow. It also does not follow that because a Christian says the Bible is agaisnt homosexuality that God is against it. God loves everyone. Boom. That said, he also wishes that it all worked out better, but what are you going to do?

Side: Against
1 point

homosexuality is not wrong what is wrong is gudgeing people on there on apinions so who are we to gudge offers on there apions

Side: Against
1 point

So far they can t have a woman because they can t conquer his heart they will fall in this trap very easy .So far they can t satisfy a woman they never know what is the pleasure of life .First of all woman s are very hard and also very easy to conquer because woman s have expectacions from a man.So far sooner or later after they make this step as homosexual they will have woman s too but is too late to deny the wrong step they already have done

Side: Against
1 point

no i think each and every person has equal rights and each person can do what they want even if others think its wrong. I'm not gay but i believe in equal right for lgbt ( lesbian,gay,bisexual,trans gender)

Side: Against
1 point

medical researchers have known for many years that homosexuality lifestyle,, is a very disease-ridden life, to chose. (some media are downplaying or ignoring or censoring what really is happening,.One of the studies of medicine again drew attention to the strong association between Anal Cancer and , with the male homosexual contact. The reason is the lining of the anus is only a single cell thick, much more thinner, than the lining of the womb in the female human.. The anual tears easily and thus is an easy point of entry for viruses and bacteria which damages the anus and rectum. This while increase the persons chance of being at risk of getting CANCER.. Studies have also shown ,why AIDS is spreading so easliy throughout the homosexual community. Even if there are no tears in the anal lining there is still a high risk of the H.I.V infection, because certain cells in its mucus lining( M-cells) and Langerhans cells) can be infected and will carry H.I.V. deeper into the homosexuals body...

Side: Against
1 point

now what is most alarming is that the homosexual will also contract other diseases. 80% will get syphilitic. infected with active anoretal herpes simplex viruses. Chlamydia. A host of parasites and bacterial ,viral and protozoan are rampant in the homosexual population. Amoebiasis a parasitic disease, giardiasis also a parasitic disease and gonorrhea and the anal warts.....how dirty is this yuk.. there nothing normal in this is there. this makes you feel very sick indeed, to know that the homosexual person could be carrying around lots of diseases.

Side: Against
1 point

homosexuals are a disease ridden lot are they not..they are certainley going to change our world, but not for the better. they will add and help to be mans downfall.they are filthy and just not as normal as they feel they are.their sexual preferences and sexual experiments, between all the men they have sex with , has been tested and proven not to be good for our society. they are spreading there diseases between all the straight people of our society. Studies show us to that anoretal sepsis a potentially toxic baterial infection is 4 times more common in homosexuals, call in the department of public health,. they are creatures of hell, nothing normal about them... They are physiologically unnatural ,they are promiscuous their homosexual lifestyle has been proven that it is unhealthy and society has suffered at the actions of these people to encourage anyone to engage in homosexual activity is clearly irresponsible and depraved........

Side: Against
1 point

why are there too debate sites on this topic...............................................................................................................

Side: Against
1 point

I hate those pictures with 2 fags who are kissing and theres a text saying: Isn't this BEAUTIFUL?

Well, no, its not beautiful, it's disgusting. There's a reason that man and women are created different. It's pretty far from beautiful to see a guy jam his dick up another guys ass!

Side: Against
1 point

Well, for starters despite the fact that the Bible evidently states the wrongness of homosexuality and the consequences of one's involvement in not only homosexual activity but also thought, we should all think like humans. Have some common sense. God created ADAM AND EVE, not ADAM AND STEVE. Secondly, to that person who suggested it's natural. Wow, could you get any dumber than that? what's so natural about a guy sticking his dick into another guys asshole and assuming there's an indication of love? it's purely disgusting and there is no other way to describe it. Its utterly shameful and one who believes it is beautiful or natural has NO brains whatsoever. Sex symbolises the connection of two bodies, two hearts that become one soul ultimately reinforcing the bond. This is done by PENIS AND VAGINA in simple terms. Thereby homosexuality is so wrong.

Side: Against
riahlize(1575) Disputed
1 point

Well, for starters despite the fact that the Bible evidently states the wrongness of homosexuality

It also states the wrongness of various other lifestyles that I'm just going to got out on a limb here and assume you don't follow or believe.

and the consequences of one's involvement in not only homosexual activity but also thought,

You could argue it that way since the verse is vague. However it doesn't specifically state homosexual thoughts. Just lustful desires or language equivalent to that.

we should all think like humans. Have some common sense.

The irony of that is entertaining.

God created ADAM AND EVE, not ADAM AND STEVE.

1) Not everyone believes in your deity and belief system.

2) God also created us naked, but we wear clothes.

3) Yes and Adam and Eve screwed things up, apparently not God's finest creation.

Secondly, to that person who suggested it's natural. Wow, could you get any dumber than that?

Again, the irony kills me.

what's so natural about a guy sticking his dick into another guys asshole and assuming there's an indication of love?

1) Sex and attraction are two different things.

2) What's so natural about the electronic device you're typing this argument on?

3) Homosexual sex doesn't require anal sex.

4) Well non-human animals also do it. What's more natural than that?

it's purely disgusting and there is no other way to describe it.

I think mushrooms are purely disgusting.

Its utterly shameful and one who believes it is beautiful or natural has NO brains whatsoever.

Justify this. Prove it.

Sex symbolises the connection of two bodies, two hearts that become one soul ultimately reinforcing the bond. This is done by a PENIS AND VAGINA in simple terms.

1) The idea of a soul may be argued and doubted.

2) That definition of sex cannot be legally enforced, it's not your right to enforce it.

3) Two can become one without having a different genitals.

Thereby homosexuality is so wrong.

How does differing genitals during sexual intercourse prove homosexuality wrong?

Side: For
0 points

It's gross and just plain old unintelligent and immoral. It needs to be stopped, only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.

Side: Against
14 points

It's gross

So, by most arbitrary standards, are defecation, urination, digestion, flatulence, mastication and ejaculation. These are all simply bodily functions. Copulation is also a bodily function, involving two or more bodies.

To suggest that all copulation must be for the purposes of reproduction, is baseless and unsophisticated utilitarianism.

unintelligent

In what manner is homosexuality unintelligent?

immoral

In what manner is homosexuality immoral?

It needs to be stopped

Before a conclusion, comes evidence or logic; not blind assertions.

only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.

Do not hate, maim, repress or murder people because of their sexuality? I submit that all of these things are wrong.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Disputed
2 points

Yes, the other bodily functions you mentioned are also somewhat gross in nature but there is a huge difference in the type of gross homosexuality is. Not all copulation should be for reproduction but the God designed man and woman for reproducing. This copulation you speak of it also a union between man and woman, a covenant between the married couple and God.

Homosexuality is unintelligent. Have you ever read the book of Judges? That book in the Bible speaks of a season in Israel where everyone was doing right that by what they assumed on their own. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is sociologically, physiological as well as it does violate secular Natural Law. Leviticus 18:22 You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is an abomination. No one said anything about murdering, maiming, hating or repressing. I have clearly stated to you that it is a sin and you can repent and be what you are meant to be in life and live in God's love.

Side: Against
casper3912(1576) Disputed
10 points

1. What does the grossness of something have to do with whether it is moral or not?

2. What does the Intelligence of something have to do with whether it is moral or not?

3. Why does it need to be stopped, without assuming that it needs to be stopped because it is "wrong".

4. Can parental involvement really affect a child's sexuality?

If so, at what ages and how?

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
2 points

What does the grossness of something have to do with whether it is moral or not?

It is unclean and not justifiable and it can't be very moral if it is gross and unclean can it?

What does the Intelligence of something have to do with whether it is moral or not?

The intelligence of a person can prevent that person from doing immoral acts, it's called common sense which tends to help people with decisions, right or wrong.

Why does it need to be stopped, without assuming that it needs to be stopped because it is "wrong".

How about the fact that homosexuals carry more STDs than the normal person and that it isn't something little children should see other than that it's all good right?

Can parental involvement really affect a child's sexuality?

Anything and everything a parent does while raising their child could have an affect on their life, just look at the children in the ghetto they will even tell you that not having a dad or father like figure affected their life drastically.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
2 points

1. That's a no brainer, figure it out.

2. It requires intelligence to continue this species. It takes unintelligence to go against your own anatomy.

3. Because you are just an immoral person.

4. Yes, if the parent takes the child to church, and the child learns God's word, he will grow up in the admonition of the Lord.

ALL AGES.

Side: Against
BlackSheep(203) Disputed
6 points

Wow. I assume you get your morality out of a book. I am straight and I know that I could not just change and become gay and I bey you would say the same. To me that means they didn't change either and from the ones I have spoken to and read about they didn't. How is teaching them that they are immoral for being how they are helping?

I find your attitude remarkably gross, unsympathetic and immoral.

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
1 point

Homosexuality is a choice like it or not. No I couldn't just change because I know right from wrong.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
1 point

You are surely a straight liberal who has no morals. People like you are as bad as homosexuals.

Side: Against
Apollo(1607) Disputed
5 points

It's gross

What you think is gross has no bearing on whether it should be legal or not. Consuming fecal matter is considered by most to be "gross," yet it is completely legal.

plain old unintelligent

What ignorant bullshit. I would expect so much from homophobes. Show me one study that definitively shows a correlation between homosexuality and inferior intelligence. Even if this is true, it has no bearing on whether or not it should be legal.

It needs to be stopped

Why?

only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.

Go screw yourself. You truly sicken me. Homosexuality has been proven time and time again to be NATURAL, not a choice. That's like trying to teach your kid to be another gender. You are truly an idiot.

Side: For
Liber(1730) Disputed
5 points

It's gross

This is the most reasonable argument you've given. You find something to be disgusting, and so it is wrong. I find felching to be disgusting, and so, in my mind, it is wrong. However, I would never dream of forbidding two consenting individuals from felching; likewise, I would never dream of forbidding any two consenting individuals from engaging in any practice which does not bring harm to those who are not willing to potentially suffer any accompanying harm.

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
3 points

Felching sounds rather gross. It doesn't sound right, and if it doesn't sound right well.... Think about it.... I Don't understand how people that are for homosexuality hate being called a homosexual? There's supposedly nothing wrong with it so why do you get upset over it? I truly don't understand it....

Side: Against
1 point

i believe homosexuality is not a choice people are born a certain way and shouldnt b judged upon even i necessarily dont think itz right but thats jus how people are and should b treated just as everyone else

Side: For
iamdavidh(4870) Disputed
4 points

It's gross and just plain old unintelligent and immoral.

As for gross. I find spiders gross. Yet, nature deems they mate. If nature can cause something which I personally find gross to be the order of things, why should it not find something you find gross to be the order of things? Are you ominscient and all powerful with this ability, or are you forcing your personal preference on others?

As for unintelligent. I'm assuming in terms of continuing the species, however this in itself is unintelligent. The most "intelligent" course if one is not inserting their own instinct is to not have children, them being an economic strain. It then must be assumed a desire to mate for procreation is not intelligent but instinct. If you are following desires based on instinct it is no more or less intelligent than another following desires based on instinct.

As for moral. Morality idealy would be a tool to ensure the most good for the most people, even christians would agree I would think. I fail to see in what way two people's actions in a bedroom would effect another. It cannot be immoral in any shared sense of humanity, it requires a doctrine to redefine morality, then to force this on others... which by a shared morality would be immoral in fact.

It needs to be stopped

Humans have survived with it for hundreds of thousands of years in similar percents, during periods when it was far more mainstream than presently, and during periods when it was less mainstream than presently. There has never been an example of when it has done any undue harm to individuals or society as a whole. None.

only if the parents would get more active in their child's lives to teach them right from wrong.

A parent can no more teach a child physical attraction than they can teach a child to breath or a child's heart to beat. It is a natural phenomenon, and no more right or wrong than any other natural function.

Side: For
Sitara(11101) Disputed
2 points

You are wrong. It is not immoral to be tempted with homosexual urges.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Disputed
1 point

You should repent if you have those urges. That's the normal part.

Side: Against
AskingAndy(79) Clarified
1 point

If you think that then why dont you just stay out of it. what if you loved someone with all of your heart and you wernt allowed to be with them becasue they were of the same sex

? How would that make you feel? It dosnt need to be stopped, sometimes it cant be helped its not like pple go "oh im gonna be homosexual cuz my life sucks and thats gonna make it better" eventhough they know its not. No people dont just say that stuff sometimes its not even their choice. it may be something there born with. and parents should accept their child no matter what

Side: Against
magicalme(14) Disputed
1 point

Good person I implore you to not attack parents for allowing their children to blossom into the children that God has created them. It is not a parent cause problem nor is it a choice. Right from wrong only exists within a person individually. Your rights and wrongs could be different from mine, there is no "law" that tells what is right and what is wrong.

Side: For
egga(109) Disputed
1 point

Your statement sums up the intelligence of arguments against homosexuality. I have yet to see one intelligent argument against homosexuality. Even the Bible has comparatively little to say about it compared to hoarding possessions and usury. It's about as evil as eating shrimp.

Side: Against
0 points

no way

that's too inappropiate especielly if they have children, this tells them that they could do that too in school which could be against the law

Side: Against
1 point

It's so sad that people like yourself are flooding CreateDebate with inconsiderate and blatantly wrong comments that are filled with grammatical errors and mixed and unorganized thoughts. Seriously. I mean, you have 5 points and you just made a completely uneducated comment that actually does not make sense to me. It's pissing me off. CreateDebate is not a place for people with the IQ of a banana.

Fuck off!

Side: For
22 points

DAMMIT. I have officially blown a gasket.

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Fuck you, homophobes. I am damned tired of people denying people basic rights because some fucking 2000 year old POS book claims that gays should burn in hell for all eternity for doing something that is 100% natural.

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These fucktard, anti-gay, piece of shit, Christian (only the dumb christians), uneducated, freedom-hating, jackasses thing it is a choice and believe moral objectivism.

Ok. Let's assume these morons are right. Why then, would god give his children free will only to send them to hell for using it?! And this moral objectivism bible bullshit has been disproven time and time again.

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Screw you homophobes. You are mored deserving of the punishment you seek to impose on gays. Let them be. They are not freaks of nature. Homosexuality is natural. Why then, would god create homosexuals only to have them burn in hell!?

ok...I feel better now.

Side: For
Troy8(2430) Disputed
3 points

DAMMIT. I have officially blown a gasket.

Sorry to hear that.

Fuck you, homophobes.

Is it just me or are anti-homophobes becoming more judgmental and hating than homophobes themselves?

I am damned tired of people denying people basic rights because some fucking 2000 year old POS book claims that gays should burn in hell for all eternity for doing something that is 100% natural.

Well I agree that these people should not impose their personal views onto others, but they should be perfectly able to hold these views.

These fucktard, anti-gay, piece of shit, Christian (only the dumb christians), uneducated, freedom-hating, jackasses thing it is a choice and believe moral objectivism.

YOU ANTI-HOMOPHOBES!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU JUST SAID THAT! THESE PEOPLE ARE JUST TRYING TO PROTECT THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS FROM HELL! Ok that was somewhat sarcastic, but still for someone complaining about discrimination and hatred you sure are doing a lot of it.

Ok. Let's assume these morons are right. Why then, would god give his children free will only to send them to hell for using it?!

It's the way they use their free will that determines whether they go to heaven. What's so hard to understand about that?

And this moral objectivism bible bullshit has been disproven time and time again.

Oh really? Would you like to support this?

Why then, would god create homosexuals only to have them burn in hell!?

That's not what is believed. Since Christians think homosexuality is a choice, the misuse of free will to be gay is why they burn in hell.

ok...I feel better now.

You should invest in a stress ball.

Side: Against
Apollo(1607) Disputed
1 point

are anti-homophobes becoming more judgmental and hating than homophobes themselves?

No one is anti-homophobe, they are pro-freedom. If they are judgmental against those who wish to oppress a group of people, then their disgust is warranted.

they should be perfectly able to hold these views.

That doesn't mean they can impose them on others, which is what they have done.

for someone complaining about discrimination and hatred you sure are doing a lot of it.

I'm fine with harsh speech, as long as it is founded in fact and logic. Mindless, ignorant, stupid oppression and discrimination, however, I will not stand for.

It's the way they use their free will that determines whether they go to heaven.

You can't use your free will to change your sexuality. That is absurd. That's like creating women, then punishing the, for being women for no logical reason, and the justifying this by saying they chose to be women. But really, I wouldn't expect any better from these neanderthals.

Oh really? Would you like to support this?

You have the BOP. I'm not going to disprove what hasn't been proven to begin with.

Since Christians think homosexuality is a choice, the misuse of free will to be gay is why they burn in hell.

Simply because neanderthals think it is doesn't make it so.

Side: For
2 points

I have a lot of respect and appreciation for your intelligent outlooks on many different things.

I find that I agree with you more often than not.

I simply ask a light hearted request that you not let your emotions get the best of you, because I like you as a debater.

It’s hard to do sometimes, I admit, but it can be detrimental sometimes.

In ancient Greece, the definition of a ‘sage’ was a person who didn't allow their emotions to take over or cloud their reasoning. I don't perceive that your reasoning is clouded; I agree with your overall position, but your response somewhat resembles an outburst, and I think you have the ability to be sage-like.

Side: For
1 point

I simply ask a light hearted request that you not let your emotions get the best of you, because I like you as a debater.

You are right. That is exactly what happened. While I still mean every word I wrote, I agree that it was a harsh way to put it.

It’s hard to do sometimes

Yep...

the definition of a ‘sage’ was a person who didn't allow their emotions to take over or cloud their reasoning.

That is great piece of information. I will take your advice... :)

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And I'm sorry I am replying so late. My Activity page apparently neglects to show me ALL of my activity. Ah well...better late than never, I guess.

Side: For
1 point

damn Apollo what side are you on first cancer is a sin along with you saying some crude stuff about gays now your for homosexuality.lolz

guys there is nothing wrong with homosexuality, everyone can make a choice that is natural, gay, strait, bye what ever its you choice in life to make decisions.

Side: For
sufkhan(21) Disputed
1 point

No.its not natural.how are you gonna have kids with someone of your own gender.if it was natural men would have been giving birth.because every organism that is divided into male and female groups have the males and females attracted to each other so they can reproduce.not only animals but you don't see the north pole of a magnet attract the north pole of another magnet.instead the two pole push each other away.SEE its the law of the universe.so you carry on being gay you gonna disrupt the space time continuum :)

and the reason God said No to homosexuality is because if there is an apocalypse and there is only two gay men left and one woman .the human race will be doomed.

Side: Against
loudo2g(1) Disputed
0 points

So.. You think that you can just say the Bible is wrong. Well you may be wrong in this situation, you see this all binds up together, their are christian believers.. On the dollar bill it says "In God We Trust". Not "In Gays We Trust". Or "In Buddhism We Trust". So listen, now that I have covered that Christianity is real, I will now say my final parts. So, Adam and Eve is true, remember that. The Bible says not to be gay to remain with a women. One more thing, It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Side: Against
Saurbaby(5590) Disputed
1 point

How does a piece of paper used as currency prove that Christianity is real?

And it was necessary to be Adam and Eve, because that's how the story moved on, they had children. Doesn't mean that Adam and Steve are bad people, just not necessary to that part of the story.

Side: For
Apollo(1607) Disputed
1 point

So.. You think that you can just say the Bible is wrong.

Not only do I think that, I regularly do so.

The bible is utter nonsense.

Well you may be wrong in this situation

Logic doesn't work that way. You have yet to fulfill your burden of proof supporting the bible. I have pointed out numerous self-contradictions, scientific impossibilities, factual improbabilities, etc.

You are pre-supposing validity. Sorry, but you can't logically do that.

you see this all binds up together, their are christian believers..

And your point? There are flat-earthers, as well. There are holocaust deniers. Simply because a belief exists does not make it true.

On the dollar bill it says "In God We Trust".

Unfortunately, it does. Would you like to know why? In the 1950's, the radical christian nuts fought to spit on the constitution and ignore the separation of church and state and arrogantly place their pathetic sign of intolerance to declare to the world how "righteous" we are.

Not "In Gays We Trust". Or "In Buddhism We Trust".

What the fuck are you talking about?

So listen, now that I have covered that Christianity is real

You have done no such thing.

So, Adam and Eve is true

Again, you can't pre-suppose validity any easier than I can pre-suppose fallaciousness. You have given no evidence supporting this and I could give you scientific evidence directly contradicting this.

The Bible says not to be gay to remain with a women.

Again, at this point the bible is still utter nonsense.

It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

How original.

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
-1 points

Homophobic is a fake word created by the homos themselves and the others who support the filth. It's not natural stop saying that lol! Male and female, the male impregnates the female to reproduce. The penis was made to go in to the vagina, the penis wasn't made to go in a butt which is FACT. Cussing, that shows a lack of intelligence my dear boy.

These so called "morons" are right. The more common type of Christianity practiced by most Christians today is watered down and made to not step on any toes whether it's wrong or not, the more common Christians aren't supposed to act in the same way as non-Christians as they do so therefore any

Christians that believe it is okay aren't real Christians yet. I never said to punish them because I won't be the one punishing I'm just telling them to stop so they won't be punished, not to mention tolerance for sin is sin, you figure out what I mean by that on your own. God didn't create homosexuals because they choose to be one, they aren't born that way you know.

Side: Against
Apollo(1607) Disputed
8 points

Homophobic is a fake word created by the homos themselves and the others who support the filth.

This is a red herring and an unjustified assertion. And it is indeed a real word.

It's not natural

Observed in thousands of species, proven to have genetic linkages, widespread in all populations at a constant rate. But to you, facts and logic clear don't matter.

Male and female, the male impregnates the female to reproduce.

Your point...this is independent of homosexuality's occurrence in nature.

The penis was made to go in to the vagina

It was "made" at all. It evolved into modern existence over millions of years.

the penis wasn't made to go in a butt

How is this even relevant?

Cussing, that shows a lack of intelligence my dear boy.

This is ad hominem. I couldn't care less about whether or not you approve of my lexicon.

These so called "morons" are right.

Unjustified assertion.

The more common type of Christianity practiced by most Christians today is watered down and made to not step on any toes whether it's wrong or not, the more common Christians aren't supposed to act in the same way as non-Christians as they do so therefore any Christians that believe it is okay aren't real Christians yet.

Wow. You are actually going to claim there is only one interpretation of the bible, yours, and yours is the "correct" one? Under your logic, anyone who has worked on the sabbath is not a Christian.

I never said to punish them because I won't be the one punishing I'm just telling them to stop so they won't be punished

You really are incompetent. How many times have I asked you to prove the existence of hell and make a case for god-given moral objectivism. Until you successfully do both, your claim is bullshit.

not to mention tolerance for sin is sin

see above

God didn't create homosexuals because they choose to be one, they aren't born that way you know.

What an idiot you are. Prove it.

There is no logic with you people. You just spew bullshit and claim it is fact. Pathetic. That moronic argument has been disproven time and time again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYMjXucTFaM

The fact that you claim it shows:

1) how ignorant and unintelligent you are

and

2) how un-knowledgable you are on the subject.

Side: For
IfOnly(11) Clarified
1 point

I'm just wondering if you are actually a Christian or if you are pretending to be. If you are, insulting people isn't going to help. If you aren't, please stop.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
-3 points
vandebater(443) Disputed
4 points

your the one hating on gays you primitive filthbucket............... look at some behaviour studies and you'll see people don't choose to be gay, they have irregular amounts of either testosterone or estrogen. I'm straight to.

Side: For
12 points

Homosexuality is not only okay but it's completely natural. There are many examples in the animal kingdom of it.

Why does it matter who loves who? If you're not for it then don't worry about it because you're not in the relationship.

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
1 point

It's not "completely natural", how is it natural if it goes against the very laws of nature??? Sex is meant for breeding and animals know this better than any body, that's "sex" was made for so how can a homosexual breed if it isn't even with the opposite gender which is required to reproduce? How is it natural?

Side: Against
Saurbaby(5590) Disputed
5 points

Animals, who are obviously not as evolved as we are, have homosexual sex. THAT is how it's natural.

And even if it's not "natural", who cares?

Is a homosexual relationship effecting your life at all? No. So why do you care if someone else is happy with the same gender?

Love is love in my book, and if someone's love involves the same sex, then I'm happy they accepted themselves and are together.

Side: For
Air1(36) Disputed
1 point

It is. Penguins are one of the many examples on how animals can be gay. And its not all about sex. Two men can fall in love with each other, and have sex with women, i have heard of cases of this.

Side: For
Kahik(9) Disputed
1 point

Then we should all stop having sex.

Is that what you're saying?

The majority of the population doesn't have sex for reproduction, but for pleasure. So, really no one should have sex, unless they are trying for a child.

That's what I'm hearing from you.

You start telling people that. I'm sure they'll listen.

Side: For
Bandoula(29) Disputed
1 point

For a thing to be natural does not mean it's ok. It is natural to piss on yourself, or eat poisonous mushrooms, or pick your nose with your fingers, or to even eat with your hands. All of which is very ghastly.

Side: Against
Saurbaby(5590) Disputed
1 point

Those things you've named all are unsanitary. We've made sex pretty safe, and it's pleasurable, therefore how is it "ghastly" or anything else.

Side: For
loudo2g(1) Disputed
1 point

I see your point Saurbaby08, but it's not right to me. God didn't make gays have children. Male and females do. And my point is, what if this takes over, how can the world be taken over by someone wanting to kiss a guy, then everyone will think, homosexuality is right. Then their popularity will grow, then everyone is gay. Also, then everyone will say screw the bible it isn't right, then from the start of a few gays, turns the world upside down. My point!

Side: Against
Saurbaby(5590) Disputed
2 points

It's not right to YOU.

And I highly doubt that people would suddenly all become gay if it was accepted. People still want children, and people would still be born finding the opposite sex attractive. It's not a choice, so it'd be no problem that everyone would choose to be gay if it was accepted.

Also, no offense, if everyone said "screw the bible", that may not be a bad thing. People would become more open-minded, and would finally let go of old beliefs that are far out dated.

Not that anyone would let go of their belief in a god, because I believe that will always stay in tact, in some shape or form.

Side: For
Zookulele(1) Disputed
1 point

There are also many acts of cannibalism that is considered natural within the "animal kingdom." We, however, have reached this point in our evolution for a reason, and we don't eat our young like those animals because we're not built like them any longer. We have surpassed the rest of the species in evolution, so bringing up that it's natural because it's exhibited by creatures that are on a completely different level than us is a null rebuke.

However, if you can supply some reasoning as to how homosexuality is a productive addition to mankind's societies, then please do.

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Secondly, I would like to point out that this argument is not about love in the sense that you're addressing. There exists a world-peace kind of love where everyone loves each other just because we're people, and there's the love that comes from an intimate bond with someone. What you are calling love is a sexual attraction, as the word "homosexual" describes in the first place.

The way you worded your second point implies that, by suppressing homosexual urges, we are suppressing the relationship between these two people. This is incorrect, unless their relationship only involves sex (and that is a very loose bond on its own). Say, for instance, that I am male and have an intimate bond between one of my friends, also male. While this is considered love, it's not homosexual love as it does not involve a sexual attraction. A man can have an intimate bond with a man, and in fact this is a strong and healthy friendship, but it isn't homosexual unless there is a sexual bond between the two.

I've digressed somewhat, however, haha. But I still suggest you read up on the triangular theory of love. It's an interesting topic, anyway.

Side: Against
notmymuse(9) Disputed
-3 points
Saurbaby(5590) Disputed
5 points

I believe ricedaragh already has, and gave a source for it. And if you read the arguments beyond just this first one you'd see we've already discussed it.

Side: For
Vitalani(7) Disputed
4 points

dog, horse, goat, seagull, green anole, penguin, dolphin, harbore seal, monkey, ape, vervet, orca, sperm whale, marmot, bonobo, buffalo, wallaby, grizzly bear, grey wolf, grey whale, human, puku, sheep, reindeer, deer. =]

Side: For
7 points

An action is only wrong if it violates another's natural rights or goes against your rational self interest. Homosexuality does neither, so no it is perfectly fine.

Side: For
ricedaragh(2520) Clarified
4 points

Why was Libertarian1 banned for this ?

Side: Against

Exactly. Libertarian1 is a good debater. The moderator is obviously biased against him.

Side: For
4 points

Clearly, the creator this debate is an intolerant, bigoted coward who clearly lacks the maturity to deal with someone who simply doesn't agree with them.

Truly, it is sad.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Disputed
-4 points
Libertarian1(1063) Disputed Banned
5 points

I still haven't seen your contentions regarding religion, I am beginning to suspect intellectual cowardice. In regards to this topic, you haven't disputed my premise. ANY action that doesn't defy another's natural RIGHTS or goes against what that particular individual perceives to be in his rational self interest, then there is nothing wrong with that action. And to instigate further discussion into what I still intend on finishing, god didn't design us. He doesn't exist.

Side: For
Jackal(27) Clarified
4 points

The mouth is used to eat things, yet several species of animal practice oral sex. If your argument is that it's unnatural, thousands of species are known to have homosexual sex. However, I assume in inane fundie fashion, you will continue to ignore that.

So, ma'am. If you've ever had any kind of sex or foreplay at all, or had any kind of sexual contact involving anything other than a penis in a vagina for the sole purpose of procreation, you are a hypocrite. After all, anything else would be "unnatural", right?

Side: Against
6 points

This may come as quite a shock to some people, but not everyone chooses to subscribe to absurd religious dogma. If homosexuality is wrong, so is shellfish, shaving your beard and having a cheeseburger or pepperoni pizza. "All sins are equal in God's eyes". You cannot cherry pick the bible as it suits your needs and discrimination, and fear-based hate of people who aren't like you. At the end of the day, the bible is a book. Some choose to read and believe, some choose to read and not believe and some choose not to read at all. To think that roughly one third of the world's population should have moral jurisdiction and authority over the other 66% over a book is quite a myopic, narcissistic way of looking at things.

Side: For
IfOnly(11) Disputed
1 point

Whoa there, if you don't think a third of the world should be judging you, maybe you shouldn't be calling their beliefs absurd. Much less than one third of the world's population doesn't believe in God, perhaps belief in God is a perfectly viable reason to judge something as moral or not.

That said, legislating and forcing people to behave in a way that one considers moral is not the answer with regards to homosexuality. So I agree with that half of your argument.

Side: Against
norincomak90(24) Disputed
0 points

Yes all sins are equal but God does dislike certain ones more but still treats them as equal, though God does allow the sin of homosexuality and of all those who believe it is fine for their hearts to be hardened by their sins, which means unlike most sins you can't see the error of your ways.

Side: Against
Kahik(9) Disputed
1 point

I'm sorry, how do you know that?

Are you God?

You can't know what God likes and dislikes, because He is of a higher power. (If you're real, God, I apologize for my sarcasm. Really.) And anyway, if God finds all sins equal, and treats them equally, then we are all sinners and we are going to hell.

I'll see you around.

Side: For
notmymuse(9) Disputed
0 points

All sins are sin in God's eyes but let's talk about real sins then. I don't believe this is a cherry pick of the Bible. This is just a topic on homosexuality and how wrong it is. At the end of the day, the Bible is a book - yes, and you have that choice as well.

Side: Against
5 points

There is nothing wrong with it at all, and anyone who thinks otherwise is mentally unstable, or religious, or both.

Side: For
norincomak90(24) Disputed
3 points

You forgot that one stupid made up words by sick immoral people, "homophobic". Sorry buddy there is nothing right about it, try justifying murder because only people or people similar to you could even try to justify murder, remember I'm talking about murder not killing in general. Murder- "The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another." Wait never mind stay on topic.

Side: Against
ChuckHades(3198) Disputed
4 points

Uhh, I'm gonna go with C: both. You're trying to justify homophobia by claiming that the people who noticed it were sick and immoral, and then by throwing in a long winded red herring, which you then retract. Give me one reason why it is wrong.

Side: For
BlackSheep(203) Disputed
1 point

You are comparing innate sexual attraction to homicide?

I see no connection other than the first three letters.

Homicide hurts people. Homosexuality does not.

Side: For