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 Is it at all possible that God created the earth through the Big Bang? (15)

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Is it at all possible that God created the earth through the Big Bang?

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2 points

It's possible that the argument over creation by a high power and evolution is an irrelevant argument, because it is the same point being argued from different angles. Who's to say that when God created the Heavens and the Earth, he didn't do so with the "Big Bang". And who's to say that evolution was not his doing as well? Although I don't necessarily believe in the "God" that a lot of people do, I do believe in a high power which created us, and I don't believe that the argument between the two "opposing" viewpoints is invalid.

Really though, I'm open, and very curious as to other's opinions on this.

iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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It's possible that the argument over creation by a high power and a dome with holes in it in which the earth exists is an irrelevant argument, because it is the same point being argued from different angles. Who's to say that when God created the Heavens and the Earth, he didn't do so with a giant dome, simply poking holes in it. And who's to say that evolution was not his doing as well? Although I don't necessarily believe in the "God" that a lot of people do, I do believe in a high power which created us, and I don't believe that the argument between the two "opposing" viewpoints is invalid.

... then when it wasn't holes in the sky, it was god created the stars. Then when it wasn't god created the stars it was god created the big bang. Tomorrow it will be god created the two opposing forces which forced the singularity into existance... than it will be god created whatever created those forces.

The more interesting point is most human's assumption that "creation" is even necessary. Sure, our conscious lives than dies, has a beginning and an end. But until I see something truly "end" (as in go from something to nothing, not simply change) I'm more comfortable assuming "existance" is the natural order of things, that we are a random result of the observable chemicals and forces in the universe.

It just seems presumptious, we begin and end therefore everything must begin and end.

Holterg(24) Disputed
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Theoretically though, isn't it impossible that something has always existed and always will exist? Or, I guess maybe just impossible to wrap the mind around.

EDIT: You also argued that

you think the uncreated existance of an already all-powerful complex and intelligent being which has never been observed is as likely as the uncreated existance of forces, which at the least are mathematically possible and despite that we observe forces every day?

How can you argue against one person theory of creation while citing a more "matematicallly sound" idea of creation, when at the same time you are arguing that it is presumptuous to assume that we were ever created in the first place?

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Yes, I would believe this to be possible. It's no more crazy an idea then the Big Bang being caused by two alternate dimensions colliding into each other and excess space from said collision exploding as a Big Bang thereby creating our universe.

Both have no real scientific basis, so I would say yes to the debate question by the mere fact that we do not know and the idea is up for grabs.

iamdavidh(4856) Disputed
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...you think the uncreated existance of an already all-powerful complex and intelligent being which has never been observed is as likely as the uncreated existance of forces, which at the least are mathematically possible and despite that we observe forces every day? Interesting.

chatturgha(1630) Disputed
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There is just as little math involved in the idea of an intelligence with the likeness of a deity as there is with the gobbledygook guesses that physicists have brought forth. The point is that just because you don't like one idea doesn't mean it's not equally possible when there truly is an unknown. We have no way of mathematically calculating what happened before the Big Bang just because some scientists have a neat imagination. They may be scientists, but their imagination is no more or less mere imagination then the imagination of a devout theist. Which is why I say yes to the debate question.

The Earth was NOT created through the Big Bang. The Big Bang is "simply" a theory as to how our universe came into existence. The Big Bang truly has very little, if anything, to do with Earth's creation. So immediately, the premise of the question is challenged.

However, I suppose it is possible for God to have started the Big Bang. But there's no reason to believe it. The Bible directly contradicts the Big Bang theory, and we all know what a reputable source the Bible is (stifling laugh). And despite what many people believe, spontaneous creation is very possible indeed. I would argue that a God creating the Big Bang is possible, but only in the same way that it is possible that the flying spaghetti monster created the Big Bang.

And to you, Holterg, are you a deist, by any chance? Or something else?

Holterg(24) Clarified
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I don't know that I would call myself a deist necessarily. I believe in a higher power who expects people to live their lives to the fullest and to love one another and be compassionate and so on. I think this this higher power puts the earth into balance. I, however, do not believe that this higher power really controls the way people live or act. So I guess I could be called a deist, but it would be a little bit of a stretch.

EDIT: Upon further reading into deism, I guess it wouldn't be that much of a strech really. I am however, very open when it comes to religion, and my views change often as I hear new arguments.

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Holy smokes) I do not know something about God and about theory of Big Bang to write something useful, but may be you will find some debates which are not theorical, i mean which we can prove or disaprove)

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The Bible clearly states God did nothing of the sort of creating the Big Bang! His shadow came down on blank dull Planet and created it in seven days. Besides even if the Big Bang created the Earth how were we made it is another Scientific belief.

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I think as science becomes even more factual and more people start to see the logic and evidence behind the big bang theory they can start to understand. Yet they don't want to give up their beliefs so they just alter them to fit with scientific proof by saying "God created the big bang".

If this was true why is there nothing in the bible?