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Yes, wonderful WTF?
Debate Score:14
Arguments:17
Total Votes:17
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Do you support gay teen suicide?

Yes, wonderful

Side Score: 4
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WTF?

Side Score: 10

i want to go on this side to shock some folks. Yes go ahead. Be shock. Know that i support GTS. woot!

Side: Yes, wonderful
2 points

No I don't thank you very much! Who would? Gay teen suicide is just another thing that irresponsible teens do. I mean really! Anyone who supports the other side is surely mad! I know this is a professional argument but if this was real life debating I would be banging on the table real hard

Side: WTF?
1 point

Some people, like Kevin Jennings, have made a living out of it.

Side: WTF?

Never! Bullying is a main contributor to Gay teen suicide. Such a tragedy!

Side: WTF?
BigOats(1449) Clarified
1 point

Once control for other factors, namely mental problems and drug abuse, is applied to available statistical data, it turns out that gay teens are no more likely to comitt suicide than straight teens.

But this information is never told to schoolchildren - and in my opinon, that's a way of supporting gay teen suicide.

Side: Yes, wonderful
GenericName(3430) Clarified
3 points

Can you provide a citation for this claim, as I have not heard it before.

Side: Yes, wonderful
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

What you are ignoring is that mental illnesses (esp. depression, anxiety, and other conditions strongly correlated with suicide) are causally connected to the stressors which trigger them, and there is more than adequate research to indicate that bullying and other forms of intolerance are stressors which contribute significantly to those mental illnesses. The same applies to substance abuse, although to a more limited extent simply because the connection between substance abuse and suicide is more tenuous itself.

Certainly, however, neglecting to address any mental health or substance abuse issue for any person contributes to higher rates of suicide. That holds just as true for heterosexuals who commit suicide as it does for homosexuals.

Side: Yes, wonderful
1 point

What do you mean by 'do you support '? Who would support gay teen suicide? Its a tragedy that they even think of suicide as a resolution to their issues, mainly bullying.

Side: WTF?
BigOats(1449) Clarified
1 point

Well, activists who take part in gay indoctrination, ultimately increase the chances of suicide being committed by the teens whom they indoctrinate.

Constantly repeating the mantra "you were born that way", they suggest to these teens that there is no other way out of their terrible situation.

Side: Yes, wonderful
GenericName(3430) Clarified
3 points

Please, explain how anyone can be "indoctrinated" into homosexuality.

Side: Yes, wonderful
1 point

I think that the problem lies not with people stating the scientific fact that gay people are born with that, but people like you referring to homosexuals as being in a terrible situation.

Also... you seem to think that there is a way to undo "the gay." (...suggest to these teens that there is no other way out ...). Do you know a 'way out?'

The people stating that homosexuals are born that way aren't the ones who are causing problems, especially since all the scientific evidence suggests that. The problem is portraying that as a bad thing.

Side: WTF?
Jace(5222) Disputed
1 point

Even if sexual orientation were dictated by suggestibility, your observation that that suggestion is culpable for the increased incidence of suicidality among homosexual youth is erroneous. You are assuming causation not only without evidence but in active denial of the evidence we do have. The APA does not consider homosexuality a mental illness precisely because it does not create any psychological distress or dysfunction, nor does any reputable psychological institution view homosexuality as a primary causal variable contributing to suicidality. What has been established is that discrimination, bullying, and other similar stressors do directly contribute to increased rates of suicidality. Homosexual youth do not commit suicide more regularly because they are homosexual, but because they are harassed and discriminated against for being homosexual.

The somewhat erroneous catchphrase "born this way" similarly has no established psychological link with the feeling of desperation you claim it causes. Again, you are ignoring an established causal link in preference for your subjective bias. What makes the situation feel inescapable is the pervasiveness of the prejudice, discrimination, and violence homosexual youth experience directly or indirectly on a regular basis.

Side: Yes, wonderful
1 point

Why would you support suicide of anyone? I don't really agree with homosexuality, but I don't speak out against it and I definitely don't want anyone to kill themselves.

Side: WTF?