Is it fair to mention Obama and Muslim in the same sentence?
No, I'm not saying that sentence is: Obama is a muslim. That's simply untrue. Do you think it is fair to mention his (though distant) relationship with the Muslim culture? Should America be giveen the oppourtunity to get the wrong idea?
No, it's ignorance
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Yes, it's fact
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The human mind is strange. It remembers certain things, forgets others and fills in the gaps where its not sure. The people who spread the "Obama is a muslim" rumor, took advantage of this fact. Source amnesia is when you remember a fact, but not where you heard it. For example you may know the capital of Argentina is Buenos Aires, but you probably don't know where you learned that. In this way, people remembered the rumor (Obama is a Muslim), but forgot the source (an e-mail or other non-credible source). Even addressing the rumor as false actually adds to its validity because, as I said earlier, our brain acts weird sometimes. Therefor, once a rumor like this gets started it is very difficult to kill. Even addressing it just to say its false spreads it more. This is why people should stop discussing it. Side: No, it's ignorance
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I imagine it would depend on the sentence! But the salient word here is FAIR and while I do think it fair, again, depending on how it is put or what information or message one is attempting to convey, I would tend to err on the side of caution knowing there are still people out there who firmly believe he IS truly a Muslim. These are the snippet people who never actually bother to read the whole story but gather their "facts" from snippets of information and innuendo. I happen to think the only 'fair' thing to say at this point is that Barack Obama is NOT a Muslim despite having been born to an interracial couple who believed in two different religious bases and that he was not reared as a Muslim but as a Christian who continues to practice Christianity in his daily life together with his wife and children. Side: No, it's ignorance
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i think most political strategies are bullshit, and this includes the tying Obama with Muslim people. i think the tying him with Anarchist/Marxist terrorist William Ayers is actually worthwhile, but this whole "zomg, Secret Muslim" bullshit just appeals to the idiocy of voters. Side: No, it's ignorance
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Has anyone stopped to consider why it would be a problem if Obama was a Muslim? He's provided the freedom of religion under your constitution, just like everyone else. Saying that he shouldn't be allowed the presidency because he's a muslim (which he isn't) is just as bad as saying he shouldn't have it because he's black. If all goes well during his presidency, then his religion shouldn't make much difference. The United States was the first secular country and has a constitution that was designed to keep it separate from religion (though I'm aware that it hasn't worked out too well in the last 8 years). Side: No, it's ignorance
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I am not sure if many of you know this but it isn't a question where or not it is fair but it is more of a fact. Now hold on a second for all of those you disagree. The reason i say this is because in the muslim SOCIETY their society not ours keep in mind, according to the Qur'an which for those of you who do not know is their book of divine guidance, that if the father is muslim then the son will be muslim NO MATTER WHAT. i know its their society even though we have different values. and it also states that if you go against your religion you are to be killed.Since Obama claims Christianity even if he does not want to be muslim he is still technically muslim according to their book. It is also another reason why you rarely see Muslims converting to Christianity and if they do then need protection as you can see in some big articles last year. I know that you will argue that we believe differently but its o.k for Obama to be Christian the religion he wants but what happens when he tries to do foreign policy with radical muslim countries like Iran and Saudia Arabia Side: Yes, it's fact
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An excellent point campaignmngr and a good question! I imagine that all due care will have to be exercised when dealing in a Muslim arena. He may opt to meet on neutral ground or be heavily guarded while exposed to the people of the country. To them, he is an infidel and at that level they must maintain all due diligence or risk assassination. I may be naive to a certain extent but I fear the people of this country more than abroad...and I'm not speaking of the Muslim population here. I pray for his safety no matter where he walks. Side: Yes, it's fact
In the Qur'an they say if the father is Muslim the son will be Muslim? Which passage? I would like to see this for myself. Either way it doesn't matter. I am not a Muslim and I don't care what anyone else says -- if my father is a Muslim that's not going to change anything -- if the entire Muslim world says I am Muslim that is still not going change anything. "what happens when he tries to do foreign policy with radical muslim countries like Iran and Saudia Arabia" This part is just ridiculous. Do you think they are going to say the President of the United States is an infidel an execute him? Of course not! That would be an act of war. The entire world would turn against them. They are going to treat him with the respect he deserves. The Bible says a lot of crazy things too -- that's why religions leave room for interpretation. Side: No, it's ignorance
Religion is taken far more serious in Muslim countries. If the Qur'an does say the whole Muslim herritage thing, and Obama has turned away from the Muslim belief (which he has) it is possible that friction could occur between Muslim countries and the U.S...Key word: possible I really don't think his deserved respect will be directly from Muslim countries. He denied there way of life. In their eyes he is somewhat of a traitor, don't you think? Side: Relative I suppose
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Well, maybe we can drop him of in Iran and if he doesn't make it out alive then we know we probaly should have elected him. Alternatively, if he's Christian, we can throw him to the lions and see if he makes it out alive. If he does, then we elect him. God, things were so simple way in the past. :) Side: Yes, it's fact
Technically then, Obama is muslim? Isn't it all relative? I do not believe that those who are born of a society MUST become a part of that society. It seems so very wrong. By the Muslim way of looking, Obama is muslim, but by the Christian way, he is Christian. I suppose either view could work. By the way, you brought up an interesting point. What does happen when he attempts foreign policy with Muslim countries? Will his presidency cause major friction with those places? Hmmm, I wonder. Side: Relative I suppose
well i half agree with you on that one but i do like your detailed argument on this i don't like to take so much time on writing but anyways i believe that obama is a Muslim because i think that he is only pretending to want to be Christian because he wants to be elected and if he was Muslim he would almost defiantly not be elected. I don't see why anyone would vote for him anyway he don't even have hardly any experience. Side: Yes, it's fact
That is one strange philosophy. Secret Muslim agent Obama 007!!!! LOL...Anyway, he makes everyone feel 'safe'. The republican party is scary at this point. People seem too wary that the times will repeat if McCain is in office. I doubt that, but it almost seems more 'risky' to elect McCain over Obama, despite the McCain ads. Don't get me wrong, I'm republican, but I can see why someone would vote for Obama. Side: No, it's ignorance
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Sure, why not? Especially if it's something like, "Obama is a Christian, not a Muslim." Or, "Many people hope that Obama will change America, including Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Atheists." Or even, "Obama's support for pro-choice has made his position with Catholics and Muslims tedious." Although there is power in word placement, there is also the fact that people will believe what they want to believe. Those who choose to believe that a politician of any particular party is corrupt, a terrorist, or hypocritical, or senile will believe so regardless of how you word the truth. Side: The truth will out
Those who hear the two words tossed around, without the word, not between them, is capable of misleading any person. I don't think this election should be won through such misleading propaganda. If McCain does happen to win (on some crazy chance) I hope that it is not because people think Obama is a Muslim! Side: Relative I suppose
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