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Is it good for prisoners to turn to religion?

This debate is really directed towards Atheists and Agnostics since religious people will most likely say "yes". Here's the thing, Prisoners may believe in w/e but never actually follow it until they have an epiphany in prison. All of a sudden, they really believe in God and when they get out they go to church and do charity work. While in prison, they focus most of their time on worship and much less time on gang activity or messing with prison guards. They want redemption, so they suppress violent urges. Although i usually don't encourage people to be converted to any religion, i do make my exception when it comes to inmates.

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Side Score: 7

Any type of conversion that gets prisoners to say, "Hey, I was being kind of an asshole" is a good thing. If it means religion? Why not? If it means just looking back on their actions and realizing that what they did was wrong, then this is also good. Whether people act better because they're afraid of the wrath of a vengeful creator or just because they learn to distinguish right from wrong matters very little to me.

Side: yes

Yeah, let them convert. It's all good.

Side: yes

I don't think that it really makes a difference, but if they want to start being religious, to redeem themselves, or for any other reason, what the hell?

Side: Yes
1 point

It's fine.

Kind of.

But I hate these kinds of debates because no two prisoners are the same.

And that segment of the prison population that turns to some sort of religion, would have simply turned to something else. People don't change because of religion, something in them changes, and religion often fits their new frame of mind, and god's marketed himself in such a way he's almost always there to take the credit...

It's a continuation of a sick self-centeredness apparent in many inmates though. The time they're serving isn't about what they did, it's about what society did to them.

Then god comes along, and the time they're serving isn't about what they did, but some grand design in which they're the center, of course, where they were meant to find god in jail.

In the case of drug addicts, it's simply replacing one euphoric socially unacceptable and artificial high, with another socially acceptable and artificial high.

More, it encourages this idea that mankind needs an award system to do what is right.

At some point, not anytime soon unfotunately it looks like, we are going to have to evolve to the point where we do what's right just because it's what is right, whether heaven and hell awaits us or not.

But in the meantime, if a pain pill makes the tumor in your head hurt less, you'll probably die of the tumor before liver failure anyway, so why not? (er, kind of a vague analogy I guess.)

Side: yes
2 points

Good god no! It isn't good for anyone to turn to religion for the simple fact that religions promote discrimination, racism, child abuse, violence and devalue the life we lead here on earth. Point by point. Discrimination-- the Bush doctrine inscribed on the stained glassed windows of every church if you look hard enough-- if you're not with us, you're against us. Enough said.

Racism--Mormons and their Laminite theory which they used against first nation peoples to dislodge them from their territories without any compensation-- they simply said that God told them the Indians were evil by virtue of their birth. We see this racist tone of exclusion in almost every religion with some pretty serious consequences for the victims ( Jews, South American Indians, Moslems, Cathars ad nauseum. ) Child abuse-- systemic in the Catholic religion and very wide spread. What is less obvious is that most religion traumatize children to get them to believe. God is represented as a vicious punisher, a killer in fact and if he doesn't scare a child to the point of nightmares then the devil is brought in to finish the job. Child abuse plain and simple. Violence- Whack job extremists who think God has told them it is okay to kill. Include not only the 9 11 boys but a good portion of the American military in this group. Devalue life-- well just the fact that the afterlife is supposed to be so great pretty much devalues this life by a factor of ten. What happens when we do this. It makes it okay for others to suffer because they will get their reward later. It permits us to ignore the problem.

You want safer jails. Lessen the population first by decriminalizing drugs. Then attack the causes of crime which mean give free abortion rights to all, teach people to raise their children without violence, without hitting them, modify the American dream which makes losers out of so many people by installing a progressive tax system that narrows the gap between rich and poor and institute a 2 year national service program for every youth no exceptions between the ages of 18 and 28

Religion will make things worse not better. Look at the track record so far.

Side: No
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Absolutely!

I'm glad to see someone lay many of the evils of religion out so thouroughly.

And even offer solutions for the current crime problem.

I'm more thinking of people in jail now.

Sure, it would be great to legalize drugs, hence get them out of the hands of criminals, and decrease the prison population. Try to get people to raise their kids without violence. Stop glamorizing money, which disenfranchises those without - hence crime, and come up with a more progressive tax system. (like what by the way? Out of curiosity.) Instill a sense of community by requiring some sort of service by all citizens. Allow any one who chooses so before the third trimester, when doctors have agreed it's safe and the embryo is not conscience, an abortion. etc.

All that is great.

I'm more thinking of those in prison now, in this world where none of that is going on.

I don't know. I don't think that prisoners turn to god then rehabilitate. I think the ones who do, would have found some reason to anyway, with or without god.

But do you think that them turning to god, is counter productive in the long run? Keeping in mind their current situation? I don't know, I posted on the other side, but you've almost changed my mind.

Side: No

Not necessarily! It truly depends on their motivation for doing so. If it's a means to an end then no, but if it is genuine then yes, by all means avail yourself of whatever religion can bring to you. When I say a means to an end I mean a person who, with good behavior, can cut his/her prison/jail time by a fairly substantial amount and that's the only reason they're playing the part of the Good Christian or whatever their religion used to be. Of course, they would have to do more than that in order to get out on good behavior, but that's an easy start.

I'm not a fan of the "Born Again Christian" movement as I find a good majority of them to be disingenuous and rather brainwashed. It seems as though they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. And when I say talk the talk I mean it! They rarely talk about anything else with the exception of their bitter lot in life.

A prisoner has many hours, days, weeks, months and sometimes years to spend examining their lives, if that's what they choose to do. If, within that search, they find their God and see how the practices of their religion can see them through the rest of their lives, then I'm all for it.

Side: Sometimes

Any prisoner attempting to turn towards religion should be put in jail.... wait.... What?!

Side: No

Not at all. Now it jut means former psychos are apart of a religion. They are still psychos, some were already in that religion and just ignored it for the duration of their crime.

Side: No