Is it important to astrology that the sun rises alongside a given constellation?
I ask this because, in reality, this is not what happens, and I'd like to know what astrologers/enthusiasts think about it. The sun is offset by one constellation, which means it rises alongside Aquarius during the month of Pisces. Two thousand years ago, when astrology was invented, it did rise alongside Pisces, but hasn't been doing so for over a thousand years (this can easily be observed in an astronomy tool/app called *Stellarium*).
So the question is just that, is it important now, or was it important in the past, and if so, how do/did astrologers account for this?
PS: I decided to make this a For/Against debate just to hopefully measure more easily where opinions will lean towards, but it's the discussion I'll be more interested in.
I'm not interested in debunking astrology here. I'm only interested in learning what importance this may have to astrology (and why), and what astrologers or astrology enthusiasts think about it (or anyone else who knows something useful about it).
Yea.
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Nah.
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Yes. Because supposedly it is the position of the stars at the time of your birth which endows you with the attributes of that zodiac sign. And those attributes were defined thousands of years ago when indeed the correct constellations were overhead to match the description. So if Aries is overhead now instead of Pisces then the entire theoretical basis for going by Pisces attributes is bogus. You can't simply say "well it still sort of seems to work for me". Simply making that statement proves a profound lack of understanding of why the zodiac supposedly matters. And it doesn't matter, by the way. The zodiac is just a relic of history, from a time when people were less informed than now. Side: Yea.
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Since astrology is a pseudo science and is total woo, and not to be used for anything other than entertainment purposes, I can tell you that it matters not a wit where the sun is. There are so many reasons that Astrology cannot possibly work that I don't even know where to begin. But the fact those constellations are meaningless groups of stars that are further away then our fastest spacecraft could travel in your lifetime, and that they resemble their titular animals from only our tiny little 2D perspective...and then only remotely, is a good place to begin. And the fact the planets are magnitudes too far away to exert any force on US is another fact. Oh..do to the ever shifting movement of those stars in our Galaxy, did you know that you are now not even the same sign you were when you were born? Speaking of born...when does astrology say you began? At birth? But wait........ You were already alive for nine months by then! LOL Side: Nah.
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I think the reason planets don't affect us is more because we're too small (little mass) to be affected. I have not corroborated that, it's just what it seems to me. Flies are as close to the earth as we are and couldn't care less about its gravity, and in reality the planets gravitational pull does reach this far and does have a certain effect. For example, the sun itself gets pulled by Jupiter, which causes it to wobble slightly. The pull from the supermassive black hole at the center of the galaxy also reaches here and beyond. Either way, gravity might not be the force that affects us. It's the only one of the four known forces in physics that could, but doesn't. It's up to astrologers to prove the existence of a fifth force. :) Side: Yea.
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As Leonardo da Vinci wrote, all astrologers should be castrated. Honestly, he wrote that. In Italian most likely, but same shit. (page 1101) He truly was a man ahead of his time, but not because of his art or his inventions, but because of his hatred of superstition and its ilk. Side: Nah.
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I'm not interested in debunking astrology here. I'm only interested in learning what importance this may have to astrology (and why), and what astrologers or astrology enthusiasts think about it (or anyone else who knows something useful about it). DOES THIS FUCKING LOOK LIKE AN ASTROLOGY WEBSITE? No, it isn't. You are not going to get anything (I sincerely hope) other than laughs and debunkings. Goddamn. One of my biggest pet peeves is astromancy, or fortune telling in general. How idiots can be so idiotic to actually let some even bigger idiot's interpretation of the movement of objects in space dictate what they will do that day, year, or even lifetime - fuck, it makes me want to egg the idiot. There is no fucking legitimacy what so fucking ever for any form of fortune telling! Astrology has no scientific basis Astrology has no more basis in reality than haruspicy or augury! (NONE) If you are going to try to tell your future, why limit yourself to tea leaves, the lines in your fucking hands, and the stars? Why not just cut open a cow and read your future through the entrails as they pour out of the poor bovine? Rather than diverting responsibility for your own fuck-ups onto some idiotic interpretation of the movements in space, why don't you own up and take control of your own life? Reliance upon divination is as weak-minded as it gets. Fortune telling should have died out long before Lucius Quinctius Cincinnatus's death! Side: Nah.
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