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Debate Score:44
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Is it possible to have a world without religion?

Yes

Side Score: 36
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No

Side Score: 8
7 points

Sure! Venus is a world without religion. Mercury too... and Mars... well, you get the idea.

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes, it is possible. But.. that doesn't mean we shouldn't have one. It's our choice if we want to have a religion though.

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes it is, but this world? No. There are too many peolpe (Like me) who belive in God. It would be impossible to fully get rid of us. Killing us; governments would jump into stop you. Turn us; many people won't turn.

Side: Yes
2 points

much safer,better life we would have had without fake hope

Side: Yes
2 points

Yes, the world existed without religion before it was made by the human race.

Your question should be: will there be peace, morals, and order without religion?

The answer is yes.

Side: Yes

Possiblily, but i doubt it would be much different. Relgion gets a lot of heat for being the source of all violance in the world, but even with out relgion i am sure people would find something else to use for the discrimination of others. Eugenetics, nationalities, family feuds, etc.

Side: Yes

Yes, but only if religion never existed from the beginning.

However, if you mean as of now, like trying to eradicate all religion... I don't think so.

Side: Yes
1 point

It wouldn't have had a dark ages, so it would be really advanced.

Side: Yes

It is only a pipe dream but a world without religion would be a world without war.

Side: Yes
0 points

Very much possible and, in fact, far future if we survive that long.

Side: Yes
5 points

You wouldn't get humans without religion. Maybe other animals, but us humans need our personal beliefs. Can you imagine how boring the world would be if we all believed the same thing?

Also, religion affects everything we do and think. I can't imagine a world without religion just like I can't imagine a world without...speech or humans or language. If we all believed the same thing, this website wouldn't exist because there wouldn't be enough subjects to debate about.

Nothing would be the same.

Side: No
1 point

First of all, I think it's far more likely you wouldn't get religion without humans. You reference animals; they don't seem to need gods in their lives, do they?

And I would agree with you that "us humans need out personal beliefs," but "personal beliefs" are not always as a matter of course religious in nature. All religion is a sub-sect of personal belief, but not all personal belief has to be religious. Take me, for example. I have a number of beliefs that are not religious in nature. I'm sure you do, too, if you examine your beliefs closely.

Can you imagine how boring the world would be if we all believed the same thing?

Surely I can, but I don't think this would occur if the entire would was atheist. Look at atheists, now; they disagree on varying aspects of a number of subjects. They just happen to agree that god doesn't exist. Indeed, look at Christians; even though they all share a common belief that Jesus is the risen son of god and the savior of mankind, individual denominations differ vastly in their beliefs regarding literally every other aspect of the Christian faith. So even if the whole world was atheist - or Christian, for that matter - that does not mean everyone thinks exactly alike, and the world would certainly not be boring.

Also, religion affects everything we do and think. I can't imagine a world without religion just like I can't imagine a world without...speech or humans or language.

I agree religion is too ingrained in our society to ever completely disappear. However, consider this: there are some (not many, I'll grant you) countries in the world where the vast majority of the population is actively atheist, a goodly portion agnostic but still without religion in their lives, and only a small percentage of population describing themselves as "religious." And some of the trends in these countries indicate the citizenry is becoming more and more atheist every year. If religion as we know it was eliminated or minimized to the point of being utterly un-influential (the same way modern, present day believes in the sun god Ra are relatively un-influential to day-to-day life in society) in those countries, what should happen? Will their civilization collapse, will the populace degrade to senseless, wanton murder, rape, and theft in the streets or will their society be in any way worse off than it was before religion was practically eradicated in that country? Or will things go along more or less like they were before (I'd like to point out that countries with a comparatively high percentage or secular atheists and agnostics are typically prosperous and peaceful countries, like Sweden, so if anything "more of the same ("the same" being "atheism")" would be good for the nations of the world, not bad).

Side: Yes
2 points

Absolutely not. Our present day religions have survived for centuries and have evolved out of even earlier religions. A world in which our current religions have disappeared is conceivable; but if history has taught us anything it is that todays religions will evolve into new syncretic religions.

What's more, Daniel Jennings from infidels.org has argued that communism is a godless religion with the same irrationality as some more godly religions. We also have other "godless" (i.e. atheistic) religions such as the Raelians that are militantly anti-theistic and believe that mankind was brought to Earth by an alien race.

Therefore, I would contend that religion, in some form, will always be with us and that it impossible to have a world without religion.

Supporting Evidence: Communism is Religion (www.infidels.org)
Side: No
MrAndrew(6) Disputed
1 point

Atheism is not a religion.

A religion is one with a group of people believing in the same core beliefs.

A certain atheist will not have the same core beliefs as another atheist.

Atheists are free to believe in what they think is right - independent thinking, rather than believing what you're told (being a sheep) as in religion.

Side: Yes
1 point

Dump billions of pieces of tools and parts that make up a clock into the ocean. Separately.

And see if a clock washes up on the beach.

Side: No
3 points

I've heard this argument made a number of times, in a number of different ways (i.e. a tornado passes through a junkyard, what are the chances it leaves a fully constructed 747 in its wake, etc...) but not once have I ever heard how the statistical chance of (in this case) a bunch of tools and parts in the ocean producing a clock was ever calculated. I know probabilities of a planet like ours existing have been calculated, and I get that, but to equate it to a situation where the logical probability of the event occurring is zero is both unfair and incorrect. There's no fucking way a tornado could construct a 747; the wind movements simply don't produce the right movements necessary to build such a thing. If you dumped a bunch of metal shit separately into the ocean, even if you dumped in all the things needed to build a clock, the metal would just sink the the bottom and sit there maybe shifting around a bit and getting buried by sand for hundreds of years. So it seems like a case of intellectual fraud to try to compare a situation in which the likelihood of the event occurring is very, very small to a situation where the chance is not at all. Unless of course you can be the first to enlighten me and point me to the scientific study that calculated the probability of a screwdriver and some parts scattered on the sea floor hundreds of miles apart constructing a clock and that clock washing up on the beach; if you cant do that, we have to go with the logical assumption that something like that cant happen, mainly because it's an absurd and slanted comparison. And, furthermore, you cant compare it to the probability of the universe or our planet or life occurring, because we know the probability of that, and although we know it to be very small, the probability is not somewhere between zero and unknown, like it is in your example.

So you should amend your example to something along the lines of, "Imagine you bring a man to a target range, blindfold him, spin him around, give him a gun and tell him to hit the target, what are the chances (given he has an infinite amount of ammo and an infinite amount of time) that he'll hit a bullseye?" Statistically, very unlikely; he's going to miss a simply ridiculous amount of shots before he makes one, but it's not statistically impossible, like your metaphor.

And, naturally, the universe, our planet, and life coming to exist in the face of slim statistical probability is in keeping with what we know about natural selection and evolution, if you think about it. Those concepts say if you mix the variables of a fuck ton of time and the prerequisites for the event, chances are eventually shit's gonna happen. I don't doubt that for every planet like ours (able to support/supporting life) in the universe, there are uncounted planets that fell short of the mark.

Side: Yes
2 points

Thats how likely god is?

Side: Yes
Elvira(3447) Disputed
1 point

With billions of tries, it would happen. That's chance.

Throw a ball, and think- what is the chance I got it in that exact spot? Trillions to one. Xactly.

Side: Yes