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Yes thats our goal No impossible
Debate Score:16
Arguments:9
Total Votes:18
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Is it possible to have freedom and peace?

Yes thats our goal

Side Score: 10
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No impossible

Side Score: 6
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I think this argument needs to be looked at from two viewpoints. Firstly, can it be logically consistent to have freedom and peace. Secondly, from experience, is it possible (in the world we live in today) to have freedom and peace.

What constitutes freedom to one person may not be what another would count as freedom. I'm from the UK and I consider myself to enjoy some of the best freedoms in the world. Others would probably disagree, but this all comes down to how you define your freedom; I define my relatively. I enjoy the freedom to do whatever I want in my home. I can read the books I want to read, visit the websites I want to visit, discuss the matters I want to discuss. When outside (in the public domain) I consider the freedoms I am given there to be fair and just when all factors (the right to offend, the right to incite violence, etc) are taken into account. Some people would argue that things such as CCTV cameras, public enclosed space smoking bans, etc, are an infringment on my freedoms; but I disagree. These things need to be placed into context within society, and your freedoms (and rights) need to be weighed up suitably against the freedoms and rights of others. I have the right to offend, but not to be racially abusive. I have the right to wear what I want (but not to be obscene or lucid by wearing nothing at all). I believe my rights and freedoms ARE suitably weighed up against other's rights and freedoms. So, in this respect, I think it is possible to have freedom (at least, a good enough freedom for me, anyway).

I believe that peace is another issue where one person's definition may not match anothers. Some people may refer to peace as there being no conflicts at any given moment. I personally refer to peace as not just a situation in a time and place, but a society in which deplomacy and compromise can always be used instead of the need for any kind of violence. This includes things such as knowing that if I go out walking at night, I have no fear of getting mugged, etc. All these things (external conflicts, a society in which we never need to resort to violence, violence and crime rates within a society) add up to peace in my book. From experience, peace is something that is far harder to come by.

Whilst I feel it's logically possibly to have freedom and peace, I also think that from experience (especially in the modern world) it's extremely hard to come by. Experience shows that nearly all societies have their internal violence and crime problems, as well as far too many big powers (America, the UK) trying to instigate our free and (not very) peaceful societies on others; ironically, through force if neccessary. Unfortunately, I think we've got ourselves into a situation where world conflict can never truly be stopped.

So, in answer to the question. Yes and no. Logically, yes. Realistically, probably not, but we'll still keep trying, and maybe one day we will get there!

Side: Yes thats our goal
1 point

Well said

Side: Yes thats our goal
Bradf0rd(1431) Disputed
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Ok, Logically.

Peace: Freedom from disturbance; quiet and tranquility.

Freedom: the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint

Can one have both the power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint and at the same time be free of disturbance?

Logically, Freedom can never come. THE POWER OR RIGHT TO ACT, SPEAK, OR THINK AS ONE WANTS WITHOUT RESTRAINT. I do not know how to speak german, so then can I speak it without hinderance? Well, if hinderance means "a thing that provides resistance, delay, or obstruction to something or someone", then surely I am not free. It would take time to learn it, and then even I would find resistance in speaking my mind when using the other language. Logically, freedom is impossible.

Peace, or freedom from disturbance is already flawed by the meaning that freedom has.

Peace and Freedom as a concept cannot work together, if not even individually.

Now, in reality, we cannot even find these things, but I know that I'm not too unnaturally limited, so I call what I can do, a freedom of mine. So, what I already can do, is a freedom if I can do it.

Taking the definition and tweaking it to work in reality would come out to be something more like "the power and natural or socially bestowed right to act, speak, or think as one is capable without hindrance or restraint by society."

Now, that makes more sense to me.... I can say that I have freedom then. I can do as I am capable without hindrance or restraint by society... but now what does peace mean, if peace was only rendered useless by the word freedom?

"The power and natural or socially bestowed right to act, speak, or think as one is capable without hindrance or restraint by society from disturbance". So, basically, the right to act, speak, or think what you are capable of without disturbance by others.

Peace here goes hand in hand with freedom. If freedom works, peace does too out of necessity... logically, of coarse, and only after I modified the meaning of freedom to suit reality...

So wait a minute, I see what I did there... that means that it is possible... I guess I should change my argument and have other people figure out my flaws now...

Nice move xaeon.

Side: Yes thats our goal
1 point

I favored you, but it's not showing up. Deal with it.

Side: Yes thats our goal

Yes. Arguably freedom is only possible with peace.

Side: Yes thats our goal
1 point

In peace is true freedom.

Side: Yes thats our goal
3 points

I think that as long as a people are free someone will be trying to control them and eventually lead to conflict.Looking for alternate points of view.

Side: No impossible

Freedom comes at a price and just when you think you're all paid up they start adding fees. Little upstarts start gunning for you and they slowly nickel and dime you to death.

Side: No impossible
2 points

Communism (in theory) brings peace.

Democracy brings freedom.

If you're going to be free, people will always disagree with what you're doing. Someone will always disagree, some will say something, and in some cases, some will do something. If everyone is to have a say in something, there will always be the other side looking you in the face, challenging you and your ideas. That's just how democracy works.

We will never have peace and freedom.

Side: No impossible