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Is it true that there's a demonic nature in the sacred bible?

On that day the deaf will hear sealed words written in the book,
And out of their gloom and darkness the eyes of the blind will see

As the light shines in darkness, there is much dark in the vulgate or septuagint sacred bible. You know Yahweh does exist because You ascertain that the opposite, the dark or demonic nature, does exist in the sacred bible

And as the light shines, it shines in the form of parables, through the gloom that is called bible, that is why You do not need to believe, because You can ascertain and verify both the light which is highlighted out of the dark

Yes

Side Score: 27
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No

Side Score: 12
2 points

Well god is evil as he created evil , so his book would also be evil also would it not ?

Side: Yes
2 points

The creation of evil does not necessarily make God evil. If there is good then there must be something to make that known. There msu be some sort of comparison. If there is heat then there must be cold. In order to understand sadness you must understand happiness. In order to understand good one must know evil.

Side: No
2 points

Must be a quite weak deity if such things exist higher than his nature.

Side: Yes
Dermot(5736) Disputed
2 points

So you think your statement is perfectly reasonable , well then so is mine equally so ,

The creation of good does not necessarily make God good . If there is evil then there must be something to make that known. There must be some sort of comparison. If there is cold then there must be heat . In order to understand happiness you must understand sadness . In order to understand evil one must know good .

Side: Yes
Dermot(5736) Disputed
1 point

So you think your statement is perfectly reasonable , well then so is mine equally so ,

The creation of good does not necessarily make God good . If there is evil then there must be something to make that known. There must be some sort of comparison. If there is cold then there must be heat . In order to understand happiness you must understand sadness . In order to understand evil one must know good .

Side: Yes
outlaw60(15368) Disputed
1 point

Well Dermot are you going to say the God Mohammed is not evil ? So his book would be evil also would it not ?

Side: No
Dermot(5736) Clarified
1 point

Never said that bro , yeah at last we greet the Quran is equally evil

Side: Yes
1 point

One of 7 questions I'm often asked,

Why the hell the god as presented by religion is egoistical, egocentric and does not really forgive nor save anyone without the story about paying ransom to the devil or to himself?

Side: Yes
1 point

You simply know the truth from what is not, by elimination, that is how people can ascertain what has been corrupted because

the truth would never be egocentric nor command people to accept or love, because true love is spontaneous, which means Love can't be commanded.

Also the Truth would never utilize a common generic designation for deities, god or elohim, as if it was a holy name, much less in reference to him or her self.

And the real I Am, being the Truth and Fidelity, would never declare or judge anyone righteous for his belief, which is evidence proving that there is a demonic nature in your sacred bible, that is the part that came from the lying pen of scribes and from the fathers of the beliefs or lies, and from re'Legion the devil himself who was made to be a specialist on camouflages that are made to make believe or simply not let You know what the truth is.

That is why there is a good purpose in the existence of a demonic nature in your sacred bible, because people are given a chance to think by themselves, or think by their own heads, and even forget about paying reverence and money to ministers, elders, reverends and fathers of the beliefs or lies.

Also because in heavenly justice, it is like election with free spontaneous will, people are given the chance to set apart the light from the gloom, all by themselves, without religion or any external influence, and then choose the good and reject the evil

the following was quoted from Writings and Subtitles of the upcoming video called SEE WHAT IS PUZZLING YOU,

(re)Legion's biggest and most demonic lie told in your sacred bible was to convince the World that the means for them to be forgiven implied killing or sacrificing a person or a firstborn son, rather than just forgive. For the World so loved the god(s) to the point of killing a first-born son

so that everyone who believed the price for their sins had been paid should believe also in the god.

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Actually the only thing You can do for You to become friends with heaven is help the poor who live in your farm, town or cityYet, people loved the dark of the beliefs in exchange for having the price for their sins paid at the cost of innocent blood because their deeds were evil

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Listen, kiddo....try to find your thinking cap for a minute and shake out some of those dope smoke crusted up cobwebs in your head....

The only way God can justify the existence of sinners is by confining them in the fire of Hell. What do you want Him to do? Poof Himself out of existence, or poof you out of existence? The first is an absurdity and the second would be impossible as it would mean God makes mistakes and He made no mistake in lovingly giving life and the freedom of choice for His creatures to love Him or to hate Him like you hate Him.

The accusation against God for not being good is silenced by the fact that He Himself paid the price of rebellion against Him, and that price is death. You don't pay it to anybody, you owe it to God and it's on you and you can't get out of it, you can't pay it off. God proved His right to keep sinners in Hell forever by taking on a body of death Himself, and He proved His right to forgive those who agree with Him that they deserve eternal damnation as sinners by rising from the dead in victory over sin, death, and Hell. He has the right to forgive all who come to Him seeking mercy, and the right to condemn you if you will not believe on Him and seek His mercy, and it's written in His own blood which would cover your sins if you would trust Him but as you defy Him His blood testifies against you as you trample it under your feet spitting in His face with your dribble of insanity trying to frame Him as not being good. You're a fool if you keep on your way, and you're going to wake up in Hell and you won't like it in any way at any time.

Side: Yes
1 point

Re'Legion and beliefs have become so fake that even the truth bothers them.

Can you say there is nothing demonic about offering to the World a price already paid for the sins at the cost of innocent blood by human sacrifice which is against heavenly justice and against all laws . .

Another evidence is that the alleged price of ramson would have been paid to whom . .

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

You are throwing yourself up as a human sacrifice believing you are exonerated in death. Your beliefs are self-defeating, a slow suicide which in many cases like yours accelerates to a fast suicide. You sound like somebody on the edge of a drug overdose...I have known a few of them personally...messed up in the head with these goofy esoteric anti-Christ ideas.

I hope you realize God loves you before it's too late and you go out daring Him to leave you in Hell.

Side: Yes
celestial(47) Clarified
1 point

Whenever the arguments being presented are attacking the poster rather than the object\subjet of the debate, that is how one demonstrates that his theory\belief is in a very bad situation

Side: Yes
1 point

Existence has shown all things as fifty percent good and the other half as evil, and that is how your sacred bible is,

because it was made for re'Legion

and Religion is business, it always makes an offer to the World,

an alleged free package called salvation with a price already paid for your sins, that is the foundation of the Vatican and all so called christianisms,

because the belief is founded in a lie

and the lie is the statement that in order for you to be forgiven a sheep had to die, a cat had to die, someone had to be killed or sacrificed . . and the so called believers have no excuse for such lie, they are simply wrong for believing in a lie. And that is why they would go to hell, for trusting in their ministers and for putting their lives in the hands of blind that are leading the blind and their theologicians.

And the World has accepted the free offer made by re'Legion

for not caring about the following flaws,

The alleged price for the sins would have been paid at the cost of innocent blood, and the alleged payment of ransom would have been paid by the means of human sacrifice with torture or crucifixion. Ain't that a demonic lie of the father of the beliefs and lies . .

Because You just know that the means for people to be saved or forgiven is solely forgive which has nothing to do with payment of ransom.

Actually forgiveness and payment-of-ransom has opposite meanings, proving once and for all the the god of the believers does not forgive nor save anyone, it is a god that was made by order for religions, which has nothing to do with the living word that I Am.

Another proof of the mistakes and flaws in your sacred bible that was mixed with demonic statements is the belief or lie that the ransom for the sins and souls would have been paid allegedly to the devil or to the god himself or to none of the above

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

"Existence has shown all things as fifty percent good and the other half as evil? " Really? What kind of dope were you on when you got that bright idea?

Side: Yes
1 point

That the original version of your sacred bible was substituted with a demonic nature is evident because redemption is payment of ransom which only makes sense:

1. if people could not be forgiven

2. if the devil belonged to himself

3. if people belonged to the devil

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

This is nonsense. You are arguing in favor of your own death, you are arguing in favor of being executed yourself. You are completely ignoring the righteousness of God, His love, His purpose...........your swimming around in a bowl of spaghetti which is your brains in a blender from trying to justify your own life by your own imagination. You are trying to excuse yourself from justice, believing you are exonerated in death so you have the right to exist outside of Hell....you're fooling yourself, and being fooled by evil spirits.

Side: Yes
1 point

No way bro!.................................................................................

Side: Yes
1 point

This is why the god that was left for believers to bet their lives in has nothing to do with the living word that I Am,

because if the character or spirit that the believers consider to be a god was really interested in saving or forgiving anyone, then such character or spirit would simply forgive a lot of people, which means, their account would be cleared up, no debts nor credits any longer, and people would be just forgiven,

and 'forgiven' has an opposite meaning of talking about payment of ransom or killing a firstborn son or a sheep, or any other cattle, or paying with innocent blood for the sins.

But the corrupted version of sacred bible says that everybody died, which means that the god of the believers did not forgive anyone,

and the only explanation found in your version of sacred bible, for not forgiving anyone, or for saying that everyone died is because the god of the believers wanted to make a deal,

and the god simply decided it was time for a deal that the believers called covenant.

Such covenant or deal has its demonic nature which is proper of the father of the beliefs, the devil and god of the nations,

and the demonic nature of the deal is self-evident,

just like any other deal made with the devil, the deal that is said to be sacred prescribes a price paid with blood, which means killing someone as payment of an alleged ransom,

rather than solely forgive.

that is why the god of the believers is not different from any devil, because he does not forgive without killing or promoting the fable called passion of christ with the death of a

firstborn son.

Therefore such god demonstrates to be a liar for saying that everyone died,

just like any god or idol which has proven to be very interested in making a deal with the World.

But what is puzzling You is the nature in such deal, the devil or god of the believers would have made a covenant which implied killing someone for the sins of the World,

which means a price of ransom that is paid to himself or to the devil, rather than simply forgive.

So the god of the believers does demonstrate that its nature is even more demonic than the devils or spirits that only required the killing of sheep, cats and other animals.

And half of the World has accepted the deal made with human blood,

a liar deal that has been added or inserted in the corrupted versions of new testament, that was made to deceive even the chosen ones, if it was possible for them to be deceived with so many flaws and mistranslations by re'Legion, the devil father of the beliefs or lies and god elohim of the believers.

Side: Yes
1 point

Moral evil is a choice of beings with free will, the evil God creates is calamities which fall on people who remain steadfast in rebellion against God. You will be judged by Him according to His word, His word will remain forever, your words, if you will not be saved by God the Savior, Jesus Christ, will not be heard by the living when you are in the lake of fire dying forever. I hope you get saved before it's too late.

Side: No
1 point

The Latin Vulgate was literally pulled out of the garbage after it had been marked and changed so much it was considered useless and of no value. It would have been forgotten long ago if somebody hadn't decided to use and promote it after it was trashed. God's word is pure, preserved, and does not change.

Side: No
1 point

This is always the bottom line of people who want to deny the deity of Christ and the reality of unending torment in the lake of fire.....they always go back to the same thing the serpent said to Eve in the Garden of Eden; "Yea, hath God said...?".

If you are not going to believe you deserve to burn in Hell as a sinner, you have to believe God's word cannot be ascertained. God said He would keep His word pure and preserved for all generations. The Latin Vulgate is one of many corrupt/changed manuscripts...and it is one of the worst, it was literally garbage before it was circulated.

Side: No
celestial(47) Disputed
1 point

quote: . . you have to believe God's word cannot be ascertained.

If the god's word cannot be ascertained that only demonstrates that such god is not able to speak loud and clear

Actually when You start to find the pure word that is set apart then You will realize that the word is within You

because the kingdom of heaven is within all people who have the understanding of times and seasons.

However, when a person realizes that the kingdom is within him or her then he or she will become One with I Am,

and s\he will stop giving money to ministers and fathers of the beliefs or lies, and s\he will not pay reverence to them any longer,

and the World will know that yahweh is not a god but living light that gives life, and people will remember the first commandment as originally written is that you shall have not god at all - So the meaning: no god, no religion, no ministers, no elders, and no human supervision when you help the poor who live close to you, not by sight,

and people will stay in the light

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

If you think God's word cannot be ascertained, that proves nothing but that you will not listen, you will not believe, you will not know and that is your choice.

You're way out in la-la land there. The first commandment is "I am the LORD thy God, thou shalt have no other gods before me".

I guess your some kind of new age Americanized hindu guru....a flake. Probably into Wicca or witchcraft, maybe Unity Church of Church of Satan...whatever it is, you sure are not a Christian living in the kingdom of Heaven. You're fooling yourself.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

Matthew 22:36-40 [Full Chapter]

Master, which is the great commandment in the law? Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. ...

How do you know what was originally written? The originals are lost, all we have is copies.

Side: Yes
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

The thing you are calling the gods, whatever it is, is not God who created all things. You're arguing against a figment of your imagination which is not God. You're trying to replace God with your own mind, and the thing you are trying to make into God is a pitiful and crumbling idol.

Side: Yes

The reason they created a God and a bible is because if you couldn't be born into royalty then the next best thing was to be a priest and convince people you could make God smite them... It was a monumental con and still is...

Side: No
NowASaint(1380) Clarified
1 point

God cannot be created, He is the Creator of all things. The thing you call "a God" which is created is not God the Creator of all things. You are arguing against your own consciously created straw man saying it cannot possibly be the creator of all things because you created it. Duhhhhhhh, genius...how long did it take you to figure out that a created thing cannot be the Creator of all things?

And the mindless rhetoric you spout is actually promoted as education and we pay taxes for you to learn to be a parrot for it.....amazing.

Side: Yes