18+ Adults Only
IS IT WRONG TO CREATE "PERVERTED" DEBATES?
PEOPLE CAN GO THINK IM A SICK FREAK. BUT THESE ARE MY DEBATES AND PEOPLE JUST HAVE TO ACCEPT IT. IF YOU HATE MY DEBATES DON'T GO ON IT. IF YOU DO, HOW ARE MY DEBATES THE PROBLEM? THE PROBLEM IS YOU---BECAUSE YOU CONSTANTLY GO ON IT.
I SAY RAPE IS NOT ALWAYS WRONG. THIS IS MY OPINION AND GET OVER IT. IF YOU HATE MY OPINIONS, THEN DISCUSS MATURELY. I DON'T HAVE THE EMOTIONAL STRENGTH TO READ COMMENTS THAT SAY IM A SICK FREAK. OK.
NOW IF IM GOING TO POST ANOTHER DEBATE, IM GOING TO CONSULT ANDY. HE IS THE BOSS AND HIS RULES GOES. YOUR RULES DOESN'T. I DO HAVE OTHER INTERESTS OTHER THAN SEX BUT I LIKE TO DEBATE ABOUT IT. AM I SUCH A BAD PERSON FOR DOING SO???
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It's not necessarily wrong, but it can be very easily construed as such. When you make a debate topic about sexual topics, people have to ask themselves: 'Why does this guy WANT to talk about rape and sex?' And since you've said extremely disturbing things in the past about rape and sex, people answer that question thusly: 'Because he's a sick freak.' So, making these debates isn't necessarily wrong, but people aren't going to like you for it when it's one of the primary things you're interested in. Nobody here knows you, so they're going to assume the work. And for all the hell anyone knows, you ARE a rapist! Or at least a a pervert. We'll never know. So the least you could do is make a better impression then making some sort of metaphorical argument that advocates rape. 739 days ago | Side: yes
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To some people (maybe all) it is disturbing. But it wasn't disturbing to me (not as much as you guys reacted). But that is based off from perception. Human perception does not make it a fact. Right? I mean, just because you found it disturbing doesn't make my debates actually disturbing like it is a world known fact. Everything can be disturbing to others. Talking about obama can be disturbing. Talking about 2012 can be disturbing. Just because Obama doesn't disturb you doesn't mean it is not disturbing. And it doesn't mean that it is actually disturbing. I am in the wrong society to talk about these such things. I just wish everyone can say whatever they want and still be happy. 739 days ago | Side: No
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Don't get into human perception again, it makes you seem like you're making excuses. Just because human perception isn't necessarily a fact doesn't mean it's not important. And to be honest, you're right to an extent, they aren't disturbing just because they seem to be. The problem is that rape is, well... evil. You can't argue that it's not evil because of this and that, because the fact is that rape is at least a breach in someone's privacy, not to mention all of the other trauma and damage it causes a person. When you delve into a debate about something that only damages a perseon, people will question you. Nobody can get inside your head and understand your intentions and why it's fancinating to you. Therefore, you can't expect them to be happy about what you're talking about. Rape destroys people just short of mercifully granting them death. Isn't it better that people are offended by your facination? If they weren't offended by your facination of rape and sex, perverse or not, then what does that say about society? Really. Bad. Things. 739 days ago | Side: yes
First, let me say I don't wish to get into another big thing with you and I say this with all due respect... Talking about Obama and 2012 isn't the only thing we all want to talk about but rape does seem to be about 90% of what you want to talk about... surely there are other things that interest you? Try posting about some other issues and if you want to put up a rape debate every now and then people might not see you as some sick freak. 739 days ago | Side: yes
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but debating about sex and rape just intrigues me You are extremely fascinated by these topics. That is obvious, but this is a fascination you should keep to yourself. This is just a theory of mine, but I have a feeling that the reason sex is so intriguing to you is because you haven't had it yet. Not saying that is true, it's just a theory. Do you watch a lot of porn? Every man has watched porn before, but I have a feeling you watch it excessively. If I'm wrong about all of this, please explain to me why rape and sex "intrigues" you so much... 739 days ago | Side: No
I had a friend join this site who took offense to your sex with animals debate. I told her,"Yes Arya, this is beyond sick! But fortunately he is trying to get away from these perverted debates. You may still find a few old ones out there though. Hopefully he won't revert back to any of these again." I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were trying to change but she may still find some of your old debates out there. You've even stated that you've made amends with everyone(which I have yet to see) and were trying to change your ways. But with more recent debates, it appears that it didn't last long. You took what I told a friend to keep her from being turned off this site to use as a personal attack against you. I just didn't want to see another good person leave due to these debates. 738 days ago | Side: yes
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Im sorry Merlin that my debate was offensive to your friend. That wasn't my intention. However, he/she has the right to refrain his/herself from my debates. There are tons of taboo subjects in CreateDebate and in this world. And if he/she is going to be turned off from one stinking debate, then it sounds like she wasn't even interested in this site. Im done. Im am officially done with these debates. I don't think im wrong in posting these debates because everybody has the right to post whatever he/she wants. I honestly don't want to be done. But if my debates are pushing people of this site, then it is for the best. :) Edit: But let me ask you one question. How am i really wrong for posting these debates? If your friends are offended, they can stop reading my debates. right? Andy told me to stop. That is the only reason in my mind that i should stop because it is his site. 737 days ago | Side: yes
Okay so this is what I will say to you, which is what I was trying to say to you before. There are ways in which you can ask a question which will get you replies and get a debate going without it offending everyone. It's okay to have questions that maybe no one wants to think about but at the same time you have to make sure that it doesn't come across like you love to hear about people being raped or raping people. I think that we have come a long way from when you were first here and it would be a shame to see you go again because of something that you repeat. When arguing with people back try to keep an open mind about what they are trying to say instead of attacking their thoughts or making fun of people, this will only cause you more problems. You only had a hard time before because your stuff was not based in the form of a question but instead like your ideas which I do have to admit were a bit sick. Now that you have tried hard to come back don't mess that up. 736 days ago | Side: yes
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I'm sorry you were, and I can be kind of empathetic seeing as my girlfriend was raped as well. However, there is a difference between debates and real life. There is no such thing as a stupid question, and there is a little thing known as freedom of speech. 484 days ago | Side: No
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Im sorry that you were raped. But you can't always say what is wrong for you is wrong for others. I do feel that it is horrible. But im really asking why? Why is rape horrible? Yeah it hurts the human species but is it generally wrong for all species. i think that is why im asking. 484 days ago | Side: No
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I admire fearless tackling of taboo subjects but the reality is that since new debates appear on the front page, you should take into account that this (somewhat fledgling) technology is oriented to be adopted by schools. If some public school teacher is considering adopting CD as an educational aid, the last thing CD wants her/him to see is material of a nature that will instantly put them off. There are ways to discuss the subjects you'd like to debate without being so overly preoccupied by trying to rationally justify illegal (not just perverted) sexual behavior. One idea that might work is to create a Taboo subjects debate community and label it adults only. 739 days ago | Side: It's inconsiderate of CD's public image
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lol ??? I misread your last sentence. I thought you were suggesting to me to label my debates eighteen or older. I read comments to fast. Im an idiot. lol :) It would be good for Andy to create a Taboo section. But that is soley up to him and now that everything is "fine" i feel like asking him will be "pushing" it. Anyway, it is best to stop taboo subjects. I do have interests still but if i have to post a taboo subject, i will give a reply to Andy for permission..........But i don't want my debates to scare off teachers or give the wrong message to kids. So most likey, i will stop. :) 738 days ago | Side: No
I, personally, don't believe in any kind of censorship, especially in debate topics. The more edgy, the better. It can get people to expose their true, core beliefs. some have problems because of the whole school aid thing, and if the moderators are truly concerned about this, they will hopefully do something about it that doesn't involved deletion, censorship or banhammering. As atypican brought up, a taboo group could work, but i don't agree with 18+. Anyone should be able to debate taboo subjects. I believe it should be a section where you place taboo subjects and they will not show up in the feed (you'd have to go there yourself, which would suck for me because I don't browse debates by topic). 739 days ago | Side: No
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I don't agree with the 18+ idea, I think that's the start of a slippery slope towards total censorship and I don't think that debates about any topic are "perverted", that is unless they are glorifying acts that cause unwanted harm onto others. Any topic is open to be debated, each will attract different flavors of opinion. Liking rape does not straight away make someone a pervert either, the rape fantasy is a fairly common sadomasochistic fetish. Liking sex on the other hand is perfectly natural. I'd even argue that the term pervert is outdated, what some find perverted is innocent really, two or more consenting adults should be allowed to do whatever they want to each other without the consent of the "Moral Majority". Life is too short to not enjoy yourself and if no person or no animal is getting hurt or exploited then discuss away. 738 days ago | Side: No
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THANK YOU!!!! Somebody recently call me a sick and perverted person. And i am not that kind of person. Even if i was perverted about rape and sex, i should still have the right to discuss. But Andy can only say how far i can go with the subject because this is his site. I keep on seeing "it" but i keep forgetting that this is HIS site. And even tho it is not fair for some of my debates to get deleted, it is fair in another "sense." I feel like a jerk. :( lol. But thanks. :) 738 days ago | Side: No
No... People create all kinds of debates. But, how you present and what you think of it and how well you describe your opinion is what makes a difference. If I were to say that Rape is correct, I'm questionable to every victim who knows how wrong it is. Who knows how it has turned out to be. Your not doing anything wrong when you put up an opinion. But, how you support it, the reasons why you think so... How is it relevant, did you think of those victims or the accused? A million would disagree with one wrong notion. And hence the right way must be adopted. 738 days ago | Side: No
Consensual rape is okay, fun actually. (yeah it exists) That is as long as it is between adults... of course though you're not talking about adults or fetish or imagination. As a society we've decided on set rules and one of the most basic is to not rape people. So according to our rules it's wrong... If you ignore the accepted standards of society there is an arguement for: forcing one to do something is not wrong if it A. it does not hurt them. B. is somehow helpful to them. Example: A dog is caught in a bear trap and you go to free it, but it keeps trying to bite you. Freeing it hurts therefore it does not want you to do it (the action of releasing the trap can hurt more than the trap) but you know that is what is best for the dog. However, there's no recorded instance of forcing sex on someone who does not want it ever helping them in any way whatsoever, and there are plenty of examples (pretty much all in fact) of it making their life worse. So no, don't rape people. And I've told you this before but you need to see a psychiatrist. You are damaged and showing sociopathic tendencies in you thought process along with this unusual line of thought you continually push. We know very well, everyone knows, and there is documented scientific evidence that adults having sex with kids causes perminant damage to the kid. Yet you keep ignoring that only thinking of what you project on imaginary situations. Now, I've noticed you like to argue from a point of view, ie you say "in the mind of the rapist it is not wrong" however we're not talking about what is in 1 persons mind, we are talking about 2 people, and as such both need to be taken into consideration. It's so simply but I'm amazed at how dense you tend to be it seems, when it comes to the other point of view. If from one point of view it is wrong, than it is wrong. It is wrong from one of the points of view, therefore it is wrong. It's like 1+1=2. I can't put it any simpler. 735 days ago | Side: No
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Meh, if one is like "pretend your raping me" perhaps. if one is like "the window's open, come in sometime when I'm not expecting you and rape me" it's getting closer. Generally you're right though. There should be a different term for that perhaps. I'd imagine most who enjoy playing those games with someone they know would have a different perspective should it be someone they do not know and are not attracted to. 478 days ago | Side: No
"WARNING" The more it irks people the better the debate? Without a kick to the side of the head - some people would never think sideways. I too am sick of religious debates also, I like philosophy. Having uncomfortable images from a poster question - perhaps a warning in the title question such as 'adult' - or if talking about violence - 'trigger warning' - that way those sensitive won't even click on it. 'trigger warning' is used on PTSD forums so that a person doesn't go into a funk for the rest of the day. One trigger is the little girl with the duct tape and the lying murderous mother. Sometimes I have to turn of the TV or I get upset with the news. This happens a lot. People's answers should have any warning if most likely to strongly upset the majority of the people. 1
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I agree with you. I don't know who downvoted you but i gave you an upvote. But i would have anyway. People are sensitive. I don't want to traumatize them by my debates because there was one debate i had that was deleted three times. lol. I will stop making these debates. Unless it is interesting but not sick. But i will let Andy know about that debate before hand and see if i can get a permission to post it. It is his website and he has the right as to what debates he should allow on his website. I agree with you. But those who were "sensitive" to my debates kept coming to my debates. I agree with your intentions about the warning sign, but it most likely won't work out. 738 days ago | Side: No
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