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Yes its a slavery era delusion Nope. Race is all around us
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Is race a myth?

I think race is a myth. 

Thats right, im not white.

Im not a race traitor either, because the whole concept of race is a complete myth, that only the stupid and the lying would attest to.

Ethnicity is real. Culture is real. and both of these things are substituted out for the word race, which really has no meaning.

 

Enter a room of 3 people. One is white, one is black and one is well, chinese...

3 different races?

Nope. 

In reality, there is a link between these 3 and zero border between them racially. 

Acting like they look different is pointless. 

I could be standing next to a tall person, and they are obviously different to me. 

I could be standing next to a small person and they are obviously different to me.

The key point is there are no color borders. We do not live in a neapolitan ice cream world, like the one constructed by our media and post slavery mentality. We live in a world, where if everyone held hands going from lightest to darkest, there would simply be no borders what so ever.

 

Taking arbitrary points in this human mix and saying "look! the look different!" is pointless, disingenuous and fallacy. 

The whole thing is one big mix. 

 

Lastly there was a story about a guy who could hear colors because of a brain injury. A black reporter asked him what noise his skin made. He said, the same as everyone elses. You are not black, you are just a different tone. You have the same hue as everyone else. 

Yes its a slavery era delusion

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Nope. Race is all around us

Side Score: 17
2 points

Outside of the three genetic subdivisions of homosapians (negriod/negro, caucasoids/caucassian, and mongoloid) race is largely a social construct.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
johnny5(135) Disputed
2 points

I dispute the biological basis for 3 race theory. When i was a child, i read about the three great races in basic biology books. I really dont think that brown, yellow, pink distinction with last much longer, if it is still even taught at all. There are no real borders between asia, europe and africa, and there is ample mix between these regions and their stereotypical off spring.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
warrior(1854) Disputed
2 points

Well genetic speaking humans of different races share 97% of the same DNA. But yes the three race theory is still taught. In fact it's a bit more than a theory.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
1 point

See above. Cliff notes-

Race doesnt really exist. It has zero biological merit and is a cultural construction from the slavery era. Tribes and cultures exist, as does ethnicity to an extent, but race is a childs understanding of the world, based on a misunderstanding of false borders, that simply dont exist biologically or anthropologically.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion

I believe that we are all one human race, so yes. All of this race stuff has to stop.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
warrior(1854) Disputed
1 point

I agree. We need to stop makeing up new races for every large ethnicity. But we shouldn't ignore real science.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
1 point

I agree to your statement. .

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
1 point

Yes, we already can tell the difference between the colors of skin between people, and the differences in their heritage. The construct of race complicates things at best, and leads to violence and oppression at worst.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

DNA doesnt tell you what "race" someone is...Race is a socially defined phenomenon.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
Stickers(1037) Clarified
1 point

I agree .

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion

Race as we know it is a myth... We have cultures of all kinds. We have people who speak different languages all over the world. I believe that Babylon happened because as it says in the bible, people were trying to work together and build a tower to heaven. So god made every one speak another language. This is how we have come to know different cultures. People would find others who spoke like them and would group together and form there own culture.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
3 points

I think you’re confusing “race” for “species.”

We are all one species but there are certainly different races within.

Race is not a human construct. Discrimination of race is.

I agree your opposition towards racism, but what you’re attempting to do is like combating sexism by saying gender doesn’t exist.

There are practical reasons for recognizing different races within the species.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
johnny5(135) Disputed
2 points

Nope. Im talking about race, as in the original definition of "3 great races".

I dont believe their are 3 great races. I think there are different ethnicities, but even this is made up by a mixture of common genetic traits, loosely justifiable and obviously flawed. Race itself is a myth.

I dont believe their are practical reasons for asserting a false paradigm onto the species. Culture and ethnicity i can get with, but race is a myth.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
Coldfire(1014) Clarified
1 point

Im talking about race, as in the original definition of "3 great races".

And what is that original definition?

I dont believe their are 3 great races.

I don’t either. It sounds racist. What makes them great?

Besides, there are several different races; not just three. Far from it.

I think there are different ethnicities, but even this is made up by a mixture of common genetic traits

I think you’re in denial.

What is race if not a classification of people based on different ethnic or genetic inheritance?

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

Also, broadly speaking gender does exist. There are clearly defined borders that are very rarely muddied by ambiguity. Race dont have borders, so your comparison to gender actually completely undermines your argument.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
2 points

Diseases specific, or more common to a certain race, definitely exist. This is because gene differences exist. Therefore race definitely exists. A black person is more likely to have sickle cell anemia, than a white person. A white person, specifically of English descent is more likely to have hemophilia than a black person. These are important when determining them the medical care of your future children when having relations with anyone of any race.

Racism is subjectively bad, but deluding yourself into thinking race does not exist, or is not important is silly.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

Those diseases tend to be culturally specific (ethnically) not racially. Ie there are many hundreds of ethnicities, not 3. Gene differences are always going to exist from one spot on the map to another; its doesnt prove a three great race theory, because nothing really supports this. Therefore your argument doesnt support the theory of three great races. I dont believe a black person is more likely to have sickly cell than a white person. Clearly 1 it is certain kinds of "black" people and 2 there is still no borders between black and white. Northern africans and mixed race people attest to this.

Racism is the child of traditional delusions about 3 great races, that have no biological merit and are essentially a myth. I dont think anyone has a problem with the study of ethnicity (ie regional illness) or of culture (ie music and language, etc).

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
DrawFour(2662) Disputed
2 points

What culture is it that is likely to have sickle cell anemia, and what culture is it that is likely to have hemophilia, the two I mentioned. I'd be more inclined to believe you if you answered those questions. Note those are not contactable diseases, well not via anyone but your parents through birth.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
1 point

You have majorly over analyzed things. You made it a lot more complicated then it is.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
johnny5(135) Disputed
2 points

Its biology. Common sense isnt complicated, because its received ignorance.

If you believe something false, then appeals to ignorance will obviously be your tactic.

Back in the real world, common sense doesnt exist, and societies need to label everyone on the planet as white black and yellow, is the same as a child trying to bang pegs through holes, and then ignoring when they dont fit.

simply put, white black and yellow, are false categorisations, that have no merit in biology and simply trade on ignorant archetypes that society uses as a template for the worlds myriad ethnicities and peoples.

Skin color is used as some kind of significant definer of human difference, when in reality, its just a shallow and relatively meaningless thing.

There are no races. Its all just the european slave master mindset, cutting differences between a mix of people, to justify their bs and supremacist mindset.

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
0 points

coughmtDNA

coughnaturalselection

coughNeanderthaland/orDenisovanadmixture

Side: Nope. Race is all around us
johnny5(135) Disputed
1 point

None of these things support your argument.

DNA cant tell what race you are.

http://essays.backintyme.biz/item/44

Natural selection doesnt support a three race theory of humanity. It has a much more diverse outlook.

Also -

http://www.actionbioscience.org/evolution/johanson.html

"Investigation of the patterns of genetic variation in modern human populations supports the view that the origin of Homo sapiens is the result of a recent event that is consistent with the Out of Africa Model.

Studies of contemporary DNA, especially mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which occurs only in the cellular organelles called mitochondria, reveal that humans are astonishingly homogeneous, with relatively little genetic variation.1,5

The high degree of similarity between human populations stands in strong contrast to the condition seen in our closest living relatives, the chimpanzees.2 In fact, there is significantly more genetic variation between two individual chimpanzees drawn from the same population than there is between two humans drawn randomly from a single population. Furthermore, genetic variation between populations of chimpanzees is enormously greater than differences between European, Asian and African human populations.

Africans display higher genetic variation than other populations, supporting the idea that they were the first modern humans.

In support of an African origin for Homo sapiens the work of Cann and Wilson1 has demonstrated that the highest level of genetic variation in mtDNA occurs in African populations. This implies that Homo sapiens arose first in Africa and has therefore had a longer period of time to accumulate genetic diversity. Using the genetic distance between African populations and others as a measure of time, they furthermore suggested that Homo sapiens arose between 100,000 and 400,000 years ago in Africa.

The low amount of genetic variation in modern human populations suggests that our origins may reflect a relatively small founding population for Homo sapiens. Analysis of mtDNA by Rogers and Harpending12 supports the view that a small population of Homo sapiens, numbering perhaps only 10,000 to 50,000 people, left Africa somewhere between 50,000 and 100,000 years ago.

Scientists recently succeeded in extracting DNA from several Neanderthal skeletons.8 After careful analysis of particularly the mtDNA, but now also some nuclear DNA, it is apparent that Neanderthal DNA is very distinct from our own. In assessing the degree of difference between DNA in Neanderthals and modern humans, the authors suggest that these two lineages have been separated for more than 400,000 years.

Although in its infancy, such genetic studies support the view that Neanderthals did not interbreed with Homo sapiens who migrated into Europe. It is, therefore, highly likely that modern humans do not carry Neanderthal genes in their DNA.

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cough.

AM i doing it right>?

Side: Yes its a slavery era delusion
pakicetus(1455) Disputed
1 point

DNA cant tell what race you are.

The source you gave is inaccessible.

Natural selection doesnt support a three race theory of humanity. It has a much more diverse outlook.

I don't support the three race theory. I support the four race theory.

Studies of contemporary DNA, especially mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) which occurs only in the cellular organelles called mitochondria, reveal that humans are astonishingly homogeneous, with relatively little genetic variation.

Link to these studies please.

It is, therefore, highly likely that modern humans do not carry Neanderthal genes in their DNA.

Neanderthal admixture was recently proven: http://www.eva.mpg.de/neandertal/press/presskit-neandertal/pdf/Science Green.pdf

For more sources, see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaichumanadmixturewithmodernhumans#References

cough.

AM i doing it right>?

Nope.

Side: Nope. Race is all around us