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Yes. No.
Debate Score:41
Arguments:34
Total Votes:52
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Is rape always wrong?

I was on another debate and some people were denying the fact that rape is always wrong. I think rape is always wrong, because rape traumatizes the victim. Everyone has the right to feel safe.

Yes.

Side Score: 25
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No.

Side Score: 16
steve789(207) Banned
2 points

There is no situation where it is not a unthinkably selfish act which causes people extreme pain and trauma for temporary pleasure.

Side: Yes.
1 point

One should have freedom, but only to the point where it doesn't breach the other person's.

Side: Yes.
0 points

I agree with you. It is scary when people deny this fact. .

Side: Yes.
Stickers(1037) Clarified
1 point

Then why are you disputing their argument? Why did you espouse rape earlier?

Also, stop framing the prior drama as "other people espousing rape" and just accept that you were rightfully called out for supporting the rape of prisoner.

Side: Yes.
steve789(207) Disputed Banned
0 points

I down voted you because you accidently disputed my argument, the no side doesn't deserve an extra point.

Side: No.
1 point

Personally, I believe that rape should not at all be used as a way to prove something or even for 'fun', but if you think that you'd like to show your dominionship over someone by raping them, then, i don't know, whatever. I'm not a person who judges, but i admit, i am person who speaks out their own opinion - if you choose to agree with me, it's fine. I wasn't forcing you to.

Side: Yes.

Yes, our prisoner debate proves it.

No one should ever be raped. To justify rape, you'd have to justify it as a punishment. And we already have a punishment that's more appropriate than raping someone. It's called jail.

Side: Yes.
1 point

I can't think of a single instance where it is justified. Whereas killing can be justified in some cases, ie. self defense, there is no defensive rape.

Side: Yes.
1 point

Yes by all means! A rape is a rape. It can never be justified as correct no matter what the situation the person was under to take such a drastic step

Side: Yes.
1 point

Well everyone that thinks it is okay is a psychopath and just made themselves noticed. Rape will NEVER be okay. There is absolutely no reason for it to be "okay" or "right". No argument will ever be enough to make rape okay. Those of you saying it isn't wrong are disgusting and should be investigated.

Side: Yes.

Forcing anyone to perform any type of a sexual act is wrong. Despicable!

Side: Yes.
2 points

It all depends on how one defines rape, for one.

And remember, for it to be objectively wrong, it would need to be wrong in any possible instance, even hypothetical ones such as these.

I should also note that saying something is 'not wrong' is not the same as saying it is 'right.' Some things are neither right nor wrong, some can be either depending on perspective, and some can be partly both.

If we're simply calling rape 'non-consensual sex,' numerous animals engage in this for reproductive purposes; in some species the sex is never consensual. I wouldn't call that morally wrong, given those circumstances.

If we aren't concerned with non-human victims, there are numerous documented cases of various species of animal forcing sexual penetration on human women and men. We don't call this morally wrong because those perpetrators are animals and not held to moral standards.

If we insist that both the perpetrator and victim must be human, what about when the perpetrator is severely mentally handicapped? Regardless of what they do, we don't call them morally wrong because they lack the mental capacity to understand such concepts; again, they are not held to moral standards- though they'll likely be locked up for the safety of others.

If your reasoning for rape always being morally wrong is the trauma the victim endures, what if the victim is brain dead and on life support, and therefore unable to experience any trauma whatsoever? Still morally wrong? Why?

What about statutory rape? Is it really morally wrong in any way for, say, a 17 year old boy to have consensual sex with a 15 year old girl? I mean, the age of consent is an extremely new concept in our society, and just a couple generations ago 13 and 14 year olds were routinely getting married; maybe its illegal but I wouldnt call it morally wrong.

What if the human population is down to two individuals, and the man refuses to reproduce- would it be morally wrong for the woman to restrain him in his sleep and impregnate herself against his will, rather than let the species die out?

What about in your own religion, when Lot's daughters did the above to him with the aid of alcohol? Both the Moabites and Ammonites were descended from these offspring, and had vital roles in your God's plan. Were they then morally wrong?

Is it morally wrong to rape a rapist? You yourself suggested no, and that it was rather Karma, meaning justice. It's obvious that you are using the 'justice' definition of Karma, as you aren't speculating about a rapist being reborn as an insect in his next life, but suffering something in this one.

And if being raped can be considered Karma(justice), what about a hypothetical case where a woman abuses Rapex, or a similar device and, while giving them consent, subjects them to the pain and injury of the device, and then makes a false rape accusation- only to be raped in actuality later by a friend or relative of the falsely accused? Was that case morally wrong, or was it Karma{justice)? If any form of rape (like raping a rapist) can be considered Karma(justice), then I assert that a situation like this would be the same.

If you're willing to admit that even a single one of these cases is not morally wrong (and remember, that does NOT mean it is right), then 'No' has been qualified here. For 'Yes' to qualify, not only every single case I've noted here, but any case anyone could imagine would have to be definitively wrong.

Side: No.
WaffleIron(51) Clarified
2 points

To me, it just seems like you are desperately trying to find some way to be able to say that rape isn't always wrong. I'm more worried about that than anything. You shouldn't be looking for reasons to not use the word rape. Also, using the bible in a discussion about rape is stupid. I hate when rape is used as a plot device in works of fiction.

Side: Yes.
steve789(207) Disputed Banned
1 point

If we're simply calling rape 'non-consensual sex,' numerous animals engage in this for reproductive purposes; in some species the sex is never consensual. I wouldn't call that morally wrong, given those circumstances. What are these species which never have consentual sex? And animals cannot commit rape because they do not have the capasity to understand wrong, but that doesn't mean it doesn't hurt the other animal.

If we insist that both the perpetrator and victim must be human, what about when the perpetrator is severely mentally handicapped? Regardless of what they do, we don't call them morally wrong because they lack the mental capacity to understand such concepts; again, they are not held to moral standards- though they'll likely be locked up for the safety of others. A evil committed unknowingly is just as much an evil as an evil committed knowingly. Such an argument basically says, "but maybe some people just don't understand that other people are important." Even if someone commits a wrong in ignorance (of another persons importance or of the harm in their actions), it is still a wrong. If I enslaved someone because they were black and therefore it was acceptable according to my thinking, I would be committing a wrong against that person even if I did not know that they were important. A sin in ignorance is still a sin. Besides, all rapists are insane because a person has to be insane to consider raping someone, but that doesn't mean that they aren't concious in what they do. What about statutory rape? Is it really morally wrong in any way for, say, a 17 year old boy to have consensual sex with a 15 year old girl? I mean, the age of consent is an extremely new concept in our society, and just a couple generations ago 13 and 14 year olds were routinely getting married; maybe its illegal but I wouldnt call it morally wrong. Statuatory rape means rape according to the law, but if the law was wrong then it would not be rape. But if the law was right, it would be rape because the person would had sex with them wouldv'e taken advantage of their lack of ability to make a choice to have or not to have sex with them which is the entire idea behind statuatory rape. What about in your own religion, when Lot's daughters did the above to him with the aid of alcohol? Both the Moabites and Ammonites were descended from these offspring, and had vital roles in your God's plan. Were they then morally wrong? That is not nearly as wrong as a man committing rape, but he did not want to have sex with them. If any religion said that was OK, it would be wrong. And if being raped can be considered Karma(justice), what about a hypothetical case where a woman abuses Rapex, or a similar device and, while giving them consent, subjects them to the pain and injury of the device, and then makes a false rape accusation- only to be raped in actuality later by a friend or relative of the falsely accused? Was that case morally wrong, or was it Karma{justice)? If any form of rape (like raping a rapist) can be considered Karma(justice), then I assert that a situation like this would be the same. That is a non-argument. You are talking about revenge not unjustified coercion.

Side: Yes.
Atrag(5666) Banned
0 points

Sometimes some people deserve to get slapped. Maybe raping them is a bit too much but I guess if they are really really fucking annoying then maybe they do deserve it. In which case the rape isn't wrong.

I think it is case and point when someone gets raped twice in their life by two separate people. You just have to stop and think: were they asking for it?

Side: No.
1 point

No one asks to be raped. .

Side: Yes.
Atrag(5666) Disputed Banned
1 point

Maybe some people deserve it though. Is all I'm saying.

Side: No.