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Yes he has no equal a despicable brutish thug who delights in baby murder , genocide , sacrifice , torture , slavery but his followers claim he is loving so they must be right we atheists are taking it out of CONTEXT ( cheating atheists ) historically no one comes even close when it comes to sinning as this wretch .
God has never murdered. I do agree that He has done genocide (though, not mass murder) and torture; however, both of those are just, since God is punishing those who have done evil. What issue do you have with slavery? We have slavery in the world today and I think we should have more: criminals forced to work. So, what complaint do you have with God?
God has never murdered .....David refrained from murdering Nabal's servants or stealing from him. He expected his kindness to be repaid in the form of gifts from Nabal, but Nabal declined. God killed Nabal before David had the chance to go "avenging thyself with thine own hand" so you see straight away you are not telling the truth , read that again GOD KILLED NABAL , but you will do as your insane Christian friends keep doing and say "it's out of CONTEXT.
You are making a mistake if you think I don't know the bible I'm an expert so beware .
Your also wrong on the mass murder and look up baby murders as well , you are incorrect on torture too.
Again more untruths from you God actually criticises slavery except when he is doing it , tell me how come every Christian I've met needs an Atheist to teach him what his or her bible says .
So what complaint do I have ? Ok apart from his baby murders, genocide , slavery , child sacrifices , commands to rape , my main complaint is apart from him being a filthy animal of the worst kind his arrogance is quiet annoying.
Again, do you have any other examples? The guy said murder is "unjust". If you actually read you bible you would realize that act was always second to strike in justice.
Again another Christian does not know his bible, why do you's always need someone else to teach about your book . Here is your baby murdering God in action .....Infanticide:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”. Loving God OK....,
I just fucking told your ass that I'm not a Christian.
Also did you look even further into these verse or did you just google them? Again, all acts of justice from a God's point of view. Power over his own damn creation.
Oh dear ain't that a temper and a half ,Arguing with you is like playing chess against a pigeon; no matter how good I am at chess, the pigeon will knock over the pieces, shit all over the board, and then stomp around victoriously without a fucking clue.
Arguing with me is like playing chess with a pidgeon? I would rather be a pidgeon then some dumb fuck who doesn't understand shit and only resorts to attacks other than actually proving where God acted without justice. Elaborate on your damn examples.
Again, im on a fucking phone. God damn calm down. If you have nothing to contribute I am pulling out of this. Elaborate on why God is in the wrong here or I just wont respond because your bullshit will not be tolerated on my good Monday.
Of course God has killed. Did I deny that? Jesus even said that He would bring the sword to the wicked. Killing isn't wrong. Murder is wrong. God had never murdered.
Your also wrong on the mass murder and look up baby murders as well , you are incorrect on torture too.
Lots of statements without any backing.
So what complaint do I have ? Ok apart from his baby murders, genocide , slavery , child sacrifices , commands to rape , my main complaint is apart from him being a filthy animal of the worst kind his arrogance is quiet annoying.
God does not command rape. I have already dealt with the others.
You have yet to make any good argument against God. It seems as if there is simply a lot of bitterness and anger towards a righteous God. Why? Are you one of the wicked ones that God has said that He would destroy like He did in the Bible? Thats the only reason that one would be this bitter. But there is hope! If you simply put up your pride and have faith that Jesus will save you, then He will! I am wicked and I deserve to be destroyed. But Jesus, being perfect, was destroyed for me. He took my place. Don't be bitter. Have love!
Ok totally wrong I will educate you yet again no baby murders you don't know your bible do you Infanticide:
1 Samuel 15:3 God commands the death of helpless "suckling" infants. This literally means that the children god killed were still nursing.
Psalms 135:8 & 136:10 Here god is praised for slaughtering little babies.
Psalms 137:9 Here god commands that infants should be “dashed upon the rocks”. Get an adult to explain this too you , because you don't understand your own bible .
Did I ever deny that God ordered the killing of babies? Does that make it murder, though? These peoples were wicked and God was destroying them. Do you believe that punishing evil is a bad thing? What would the only reason be for one to think that?
I think that you are surprised that you have actually found a Christian who truly knows his Bible. And you are appalled at it, since when you read the Bible you rejected it, thinking it to be evil. The only thing that you can, then, do is to stammer in astonishment. Why are you astonished?
What's never ceases to amaze is the fact that anyone can support a tyrant , it's cowardly to support a vicious vengeful brute but you and your fellow worshippers delight in supporting this snivelling wretch of a God . It saddens me I will say when I see someone totally brainwashed by there parents into this nonsense .
My parents don't go to church. My mom is an atheist and actually tried to dissuade me from being a Christian; and my grandmother is a Jew/secularist who tried to do the same. I have not been brainwashed. The Bible is good and just and love-filled. I support it not out of fear, though I do fear God, and rightly so, but I support it out of love for God.
Well your mother then has my admiration , it must break the poor woman's heart to see her son caught up in this nonsense .
In fairness to you you do seem like a nice person and I wish you no ill , I just wished you would at least question one or two things about your religion
Oh I do. And every time I do I find more love and truth in the bible. You should check out 1 John 4:1, which states that Christians are to test the spirits.
The God delusion is mocked by intellectuals on many levels, except for genetics. Dawkins is good in his field but once he gets into the field of history and philosophy, he is very unintellectual. His argument against Jesus even being real is laughable and astonishes most actual historians. His argument against the ontological argument is atrocious and goes from a state of impossibility to a state of impossibility, which proves further the ontological argument, despite what he thinks. Then his argument for God, like a Boeing 747 is just illogical. Don't think I haven't studied Dawkins or science. I have and they both had been found wanting.
Dear oh dear I'm afraid my friend your too far gone in your religious mania , it's amazing you don't apply a bit of logic to the reading of the great fairytale .... Maybe someday
Killing is a sin and God was supposed to have killed millions, some people say billions of people in the flood, all the first born of Egypt which would have been thousands, the whole population of the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, the whole Egyptian army and a number of Israelites for worshipping Baal.
Killing is not a sin; murder is a sin, which is the unjust killing of someone. The people God kills is just, since they are those who have rebelled against Him.
What happened to "thou shalt not kill"? There are many instances in the Bible that show God killing people just because they didn't do what he wanted, even though they weren't necessarily harming others. And that's just considering the possibility of him being real. What about the kids who were killed by God just because they were teasing Elijah? They were KIDS, dude. Every child teases someone at one time or another. And don't you think that if he would kill kids over this, he would kill all the people who commit incest, mass murders, and etc? You're "God" must be pretty biased, and if he is, doesn't that go against treating everyone with equal amounts of love and fairness?
the Bible never says not to kill. It says not to murder.
Who decides which is which? Does expected collateral damage in war constitute killing or murder? Euthanasia to ease someone's pain? (with their consent? if they are to brain damaged to consent but can still feel pain?) Is abortion murder or does there need to be an element of malice?
The kids who were teasing Elisha were in a mob and were mocking God, by means of Elisha.
How is "Go up, you baldhead!" mocking God? Also, if kids mock you is it no longer 'unjust' to kill them?
I challenge you to look at the Bible objectively.
Ditto.
Were there no pregnant women when Noah's flood killed everyone?
No innocent babies around during the destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan, Midian, Jabesh-gilead, all the cities ruled by Sihon?
No innocents among the Amorites, the Amalekites or any town that was razed and burned when some people in the town believed in other gods? Deuteronomy 13:12-18
Was the killing all the first-born of Egypt just?
Should children be punished for the sins of their fathers?
"You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,"Deuteronomy 5:9
"Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."Deuteronomy 24:16
There are so many things wrong with your post.... You should look up some Bible commentaries because every single one of your objections have been answered extensively. Do some research next time.
another 100% dodge from lolzors without even an attempt at a reference - shocked...
still can't decide if your account is just a bot or a Colbert'esque satire on what Christians sound like when they have no defense for what they say...
1. the Bible says "thou shalt not kill" Clearly you must have skipped the books of Exodus and Leviticus.
2. That "mob" only consisted of 26 children, if I remember correctly. They were mauled to death by two she-bears
3. Elijah, not Elisha. Two different people in the Bible. Elisha was the student of Elijah, and Elijah ascended into heaven on a chariot of fire... ALLEGEDLY.
So I challenge you to actually use your Bible if you're going to refer to it.
1. the Bible says "thou shalt not kill" Clearly you must have skipped the books of Exodus and Leviticus.
No it does not.
2. That "mob" only consisted of 26 children, if I remember correctly. They were mauled to death by two she-bears
Where did you get that number? There were at least 42.
3. Elijah, not Elisha. Two different people in the Bible. Elisha was the student of Elijah, and Elijah ascended into heaven on a chariot of fire... ALLEGEDLY.
Stop looking at the King James Version. It is from the Latin Vulgate. It is one of the few translations that say "kill" instead of "murder." Look at the ESV, which is generally seen as one of the more trustworthy translations.
Remember that when we are speaking of the Ten Commandments, we are in fact speaking of the Torah/Old Testament, originally written in Hebrew.
Thou shalt not kill is a poor translation. The word in the original Hebrew transliterates to 'ratsakh' which roughly means 'dash to pieces.' In actual usage, our best translation is 'murder.' A soldier killing in wartime is not ratsakh, nor is killing in self defense, or carrying out the execution for a capital offense.
Epicurus said it perfectly: "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?" If a god who has allowed atrocities to occur in his sight among his innocent creation is without sin, then why should we serve him and abstain from the things he has proclaimed as sinful?
Hi there saw this in passing and it's quiet good isn't it , I remember first reading this and being struck by the reasoning in the words , I'm afraid my friend your dealing here with people who are not capable of logical thought.
I'm glad to see that rationality and logicality aren't too rare around here. And yes, when I first read this, I was just in awe that the simplicity of the words could successfully argue the existence and credibility of God. Pretty impressive.
This place is starting to scare me the amount of quiet scary religious types is frightening , just had some of them earlier trying to justify baby killing by God , now that's scary .
I can't wait to see how they weasel out of your old but beautifully constructed piece of logic , thanks for bringing back a nice memory .
Yes Malachi it is dying a long slow death thankfully , I have to say the USA brand is pretty heavy and I live in catholic Ireland where we have nothing at this level... Keep up the good work my friend.
Murder is a sin. Not killing. Understand that. God didn't murder anyone. He also didnt kill for no reason. He only acted in justice from a deity's view point.
How can you expect to get away with that statement" god didn't murder anyone" Wrong again God did murder.....another Christian who has not a clue about the bible ....David refrained from murdering Nabal's servants or stealing from him. He expected his kindness to be repaid in the form of gifts from Nabal, but Nabal declined. God killed Nabal before David had the chance to go "avenging thyself with thine own hand". So there you go your own God admitting he murders , and you lying to cover up or else you don't know your bible either way you lost .
1. I am not a Christian and I have never claimed to be one.
2. Still killed in an act of justice.
3. Which, from statement 2 l, he didn't murder anyone.
4. Try the fuck again.
I don't think you actually looked this up properly did you? Just google random killings or something? Typical. Find me a real fucking challenge before try to attach me with bullshit.
Calm down son you will give yourself a heart attack , I don't know what you take to make yourself so stupid ... But it's working .... Again sorry to mention it son your spelling needs work...
Strictly speaking, murder is defined as a human killing another human.
A human killing an animal is not murder, no matter how loudly animal rights activists try to claim otherwise.
An animal killing another animal is not murder either.
Nor is an animal killing a human a murder.
I don't believe anybody is making the claim that the Abrahamic god is a member of the species homo sapiens sapiens, ergo, the Abrahamic god is incapable of murder by the very definition of the word.
Certainly, the Abrahamic god is detailed in the Torah/Old Testament as having killed many, but not a single one of those was murder.
Jacob you just don't get it God murders and admits it .....David refrained from murdering Nabal's servants or stealing from him. He expected his kindness to be repaid in the form of gifts from Nabal, but Nabal declined. God killed Nabal before David had the chance to go "avenging thyself with thine own hand".
I dont think you understand what actually went on here and you still proved nothing. He didn't "smite" him for no apparent reason. Although he logically can do so since he is a God bound by no law and law only applies to humans. However there was an act or a reason for it. Why don't you google that as well.
It's incredible in 2013 people actually think killing innocent babies is just and right .You are mentally unstable if you believe that ..... Google madness ...,
What the fuck? Is this yoir last resort? Did I say it was okay? No. Its okay for a GOD to do because you would be his and if God wanted to kill everybody he could do so becaus he is your creator. So don't go calling me mad because I understand what a God's point of view is.
Now that's the sin of vanity son understanding Gods point of view , and again you support God killing babies because he is God, where I come from son baby killers are mad and there supporters also . You need to work on your spelling son .
Now that's the sin of vanity son understanding Gods point of view
What are you talking about?
Vanity: excessive pride in or admiration of one's own appearance or achievements.
Thats poor word choice.
Understanding his point of view isn't hard in this instance. If you are a creator relative to the scale of a deity its logical for you to destroy your creation or do what you want with it. Primarily because your morality isn't God's morality its just your created sense of morality.
and again you support God killing babies because he is God,
Ahh. Okay. Since you want to be the jackass of the debate please point out where I explicity said "infanticide is okay". Please, show me.
where I come from son baby killers are mad and there supporters also
Cool. I understand that. Now like I said once before. A God can do whatever he wants with his creation. I never said I support the shit your coming up with. Your just making a poor attempt to raise yourself up in this debate.
Pretty sure he says I dont. However I can understand amd rationalize what a God would assume and possibly think based off of my influences. Which you dont know about.
please point out where I explicity said "infanticide is okay"
"if God wanted to kill everybody he could do so"
And? That doesn't say its okay. That say he can do so in his power hence the words "could do so". I don't think you understand what im fucking saying.
your morality isn't God's morality
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil." Genesis 3:22
You do realize knowing good and bad isnt really gods morality. You do understand what morality is right?
Its like a concept. This concept is different for everybody. Here is the exact definition.
Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
So Adam and Eve knew what good and evil was. Now all they need to know was what should be defined as good and what should be defined as evil. So try again. Also, don't try to quote somebody else unless their statement is an absolute because the quote you pulled from me is too interpretational. I just told you what I meant and gave you my example through words selection. So here is the conclusion since you lack basic understanding.
1. My morals are irrelevant. So whatever I deem infancticide as is not what we are debating about. Also I never said it was good or bad or wrong or right. I only said God could do so if he wished because he is a god.
2. Understanding a deity's point of view isn't possible since we can't match it 100%. However, I can imagine what an ruler would feel like if he had power and push it to the extreme and use that mindset to understand the concept of what God's point of view is.
3. We don't know God's morality. When the bible said "man has become like us knowing good and evil" he didnt mean "man has become like us knowing what is good and whats evil". He meant they understood what the concept of good and evil were.
4. Try this again when you got your shit together and fully understand an argument.
There you go again shooting your mouth off telling everyone what God meant amazing another spokesman for God who knows what he really means ....I shall educate you yet again you cannot interpret Gods word to suit you here's what he said.......For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV) Clearly the Old Testament is to be abided by until the end of human existence itself. None other then Jesus said so, so no you can't understand and rationalise what a God would assume .
So again. You fucking intervene and fuck up. I am not teaching law dumb ass. So like I just fucking said. I surely can. Understand your damn bible. You know what? Just dont respond im tired of your shit. God fucking dammit.
Why do you get so annoyed ? Can you not take the argument on board without losing the cool ? You ran away last time from my talk with you why so mad ? That's a bad temper you got son gonna get you in trouble .
if it is ,then this is literally just a lost cause.
never is it ok to kill someone. even if that person kills your family and makes you watch. life is a one time deal. taking it from some one is selfish and no good can come from it.
never is it ok to kill someone. even if that person kills your family and makes you watch. life is a one time deal. taking it from some one is selfish and no good can come from it.
You do know that is your opinion right? People will have varying opinion. Just wondering if you knew that. Now calm your man boobs and leave me be.
but no killing has way more of an effect then we know of.
your effectively removing someone from the equation. plus it dehumanizes people to the point where its ok to kill someone for religious belies or a judicial system. life and death is not so much there not with us, its more a long the lines as they dont come back, there line of what ever they did is over.
so its more then an opinion since there are actually effect from it.
I understand what you are saying. However its still an opinion based on your moral code. This is how the majority views the world. But morality is subjective. There isn't one objective moral.
So you think God specifically tells you that you cannot understand him, but you think you can understand him anyway?
"if God wanted to kill everybody he could do so"
And? That doesn't say its okay. That say he can do so in his power hence the words "could do so". I don't think you understand what im fucking saying.
Then I'll include the introductory clause for that sentence: "Its okay for a GOD to do because you would be his and if God wanted to kill everybody he could do so becaus he is your creator."
Moreover, if your statement was only in relation to god's ability then it would be irrelevant in the context of his morality - so your statement was wrong and/or useless.
Then the Lord God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil."
You do realize knowing good and bad isnt really gods morality.
Morality: principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.
Did you read the definition?
So Adam and Eve knew what good and evil was. Now all they need to know was what should be defined as good and what should be defined as evil.
You may try to find some distinction between knowing the difference between good and evil and knowing what acts constitute good and evil, but you aren't getting that from the bible. Additionally, not knowing what acts are good or evil means that God judges our actions based on a morality that we do not and cannot know.
1. My morals are irrelevant.
agreed.
2. Understanding a deity's point of view isn't possible since we can't match it 100%. However, I can imagine what an ruler would feel like if he had power and push it to the extreme and use that mindset to understand the concept of what God's point of view is.
Can you imagine a ruler with omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence? Or, do you just like thinking you can relate to god when he specifically says you can't? If that ruler killed babies would you say that ruler is benevolent? Would that ruler deserve your devotion?
3. We don't know God's morality.
Then how should one determine whether god is benevolent and worthy of worship?
4. Try this again when you got your shit together and fully understand an argument.
You're the one trying to argue the logic of the bible - you have a steep climb ahead...
In case you didn't see it in my response to lolzors:
Were there no pregnant women when Noah's flood killed everyone?
No innocent babies around during the destruction of Sodom, Gomorrah, Jericho, Heshbon, Bashan, Midian, Jabesh-gilead, all the cities ruled by Sihon?
No innocents among the Amorites, the Amalekites or any town that was razed and burned when some people in the town believed in other gods? Deuteronomy 13:12-18
Was the killing all the first-born of Egypt just?
Should children be punished for the sins of their fathers?
"You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,"Deuteronomy 5:9
"Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."Deuteronomy 24:16
So you think God specifically tells you that you cannot understand him, but you think you can understand him anyway?
Do you not understand the word rationalize? I even gave my way of doing so. I already declared that it's impossible. I don't think you are fully understanding me.
Then I'll include the introductory clause for that sentence: "Its okay for a GOD to do because you would be his and if God wanted to kill everybody he could do so becaus he is your creator."Moreover, if your statement was only in relation to god's ability then it would be irrelevant in the context of his morality - so your statement was wrong and/or useless.
You do know this is complete bullshit, right? I didn't use the words for a purpose. I clearly stated he can do what he wants. Doesn't mean its okay. Same for humans. A man can kill whom he pleases. Doesn't mean its okay.
Did you read the definition?
Yeah. Did you use the first part and the last amd equate that with the words in Genesis? No.
You may try to find some distinction between knowing the difference between good and evil and knowing what acts constitute good and evil, but you aren't getting that from the bible. Additionally, not knowing what acts are good or evil means that God judges our actions based on a morality that we do not and cannot know.
Again, like I already said. The concept of good and evil is what they knew.
Can you imagine a ruler with omnipotence, omniscience, omnipresence, omnibenevolence? Or, do you just like thinking you can relate to god when he specifically says you can't? If that ruler killed babies would you say that ruler is benevolent? Would that ruler deserve your devotion?
You still are misunderstanding what I meant. I don't really care, but you do need to realize that I am not religious. Also note that God was justified in doing so completely in his nature.
Then how should one determine whether god is benevolent and worthy of worship?
Go ask someone who worships God.
You're the one trying to argue the logic of the bible - you have a steep climb ahead...
That steep hill? Climbed it. Next?
Does even God know what his morals are?
You mean "does God" right? I would assume so. However he is still justified in doing so. Whatever he has done has a just cause otherwise its not listed here. Now if we argue about if killing babies is right thats different. However my argument is that what he has done is just and naturally fit. This is why I don't like amatuer Atheists/Agnostics or any jeadstrong kids who think they know it all. I am sure now that I poorly worded my argument because we are perceiving it differently. I'm passed it now. If you wish to debate about the justification of Gods acts I will continue otherwise I am as bored as fuck.
So you think the bible is perfectly logical - and yet don't believe it? You are working yourself into some interesting pretzels.
I didn't use the words for a purpose.
You said specifically that it was ok and didn't like being called out on it. What is your (new) opinion - that the god of the bible has no morality or is outside morality or, like normal people who don't believe in god, that god's morality is just as made up as he is?
If you wish to debate about the justification of Gods acts I will continue
I gave several instances where infants were explicitly to be killed and others where they were very likely killed. Additionally, I gave references that demonstrate that God has completely contradicting morals.
Whoa there sport I never said that at all. I have my reasons. Never made that claim at all. Let's not go assuming things like amatuers mkay?
You said specifically that it was ok and didn't like being called out on it.
I said its okay for god to kill whom he pleases. I never said its a good or bad thing. I never gave an ethical code to it or anything. I never said his actions should have been done or not. All I am still saying is that a god can do what he wants since he is a god and naturally he is justified for killing the things he did. This is how I think you are misunderstanding the okay.
Okay ( in my definition): used to express assent, agreement, or acceptance.
Okay (I am assuming this is your definition): satisfactory but not exceptionally or especially good.
made up as he is?
Sure. However you want to coat it kid.
I gave several instances where infants were explicitly to be killed and others where they were very likely killed. Additionally, I gave references that demonstrate that God has completely contradicting morals.
So explain why this is breaking or contradicting his own moral code? It's murder right? Is that the point of your argument?
im pretty sure you know why killing is a sin.. the unlawful taking of another person's life for no good reason. but God himself sent people to war, which is necessary and serves a greater purpose than just killing for fun.. and when God killed or ordered death by the hands of someone else, He had a reason/purpose to serve. whether it be vengeance or to wipe out a wicked civilization etc. Its just like when your parents tell you not to do something that they themselves did or do.. they dont trust your judgment, but they trust their own because they know better. and God tells us that He is the only one with the right to judge
This right here is why you should never trust religious people to look after your children; especially those who practice Christianity, Islam or Judaism, as all three glorify a man who attempted to stab his own son in the heart and light him on fire after the voices in his head told him to.
If this isn't the clearest example of the lunacy of religion, I don't know what is.
Why can't he? Was it ever malicious? Or was it punishment? Did he do it for no reason or was it because of the actions of humans? If it was God's view of justice you can't argue against it until you understand his viewpoint.
This right here is why you should never trust religious people to look after your children; especially those who practice Christianity, Islam or Judaism, as all three glorify a man who attempted to stab his own son in the heart and light him on fire after the voices in his head told him to.
What the fuck? What in the living hell are you talking about? Clarification please?
It's truly frightening that people such as yourself will go so far as to try to rationalize murdering even one baby, let alone millions. There is no level of depravity it seems that people won't sink to to defend this or that fictional evil deity....as if the mindset of a baby-killer is even the slightest bit relevant.
Oh and LOL@you not having a clue what I'm talking about while posting arguments in a debate about the Abrahamic god.
Completely missed my point. You say what God did is bad right? You know your opinion is subjective. It is not absolute. What if God just killed everybody. Is it bad for God to destroy his own creation? It like making food or something amd then burning it because it tasted like shit. Whats wrong with that? Guess who thinks its a bad idea? The food. Guess who doesn't God or anything equal in knowledge to him.
Now, he killed out of justice. He didn't murder. He killed because they deserved it. I'm not even a believer and it not hard to realize that if you would pick up the book and read it. Why did God kill? Because of the actions of the humans.
Oh and LOL@you not having a clue what I'm talking about while posting arguments in a debate about the Abrahamic god.
Mkay. So, what other bullshit do you have for me? Other that "Lol@you"?
Completely missed my point. You say what God did is bad right? You know your opinion is subjective. It is not absolute. What if God just killed everybody. Is it bad for God to destroy his own creation? It like making food or something amd then burning it because it tasted like shit. Whats wrong with that? Guess who thinks its a bad idea? The food. Guess who doesn't God or anything equal in knowledge to him.
Now, he killed out of justice. He didn't murder. He killed because they deserved it. I'm not even a believer and it not hard to realize that if you would pick up the book and read it. Why did God kill? Because of the actions of the humans.
I don't know how I'm supposed to argue with a person who equates the murder of human beings, let alone babies who you somehow feel deserved it, with burning food.
And in your world view it's ok to kill that which you create simply because you created it? It's good to know the courts, at least in the civilized world, disagree with you.
I do find it interesting that you're not a believer though. It's rare to encounter such a lack of basic understanding of right and wrong without religious baggage attached.
I don't know how I'm supposed to argue with a person who equates the murder of human beings, let alone babies who you somehow feel deserved it, with burning food.
Are we arguing about God or my morals? Stay on the fucking topic.
And in your world view it's ok to kill that which you create simply because you created it? It's good to know the courts, at least in the civilized world, disagree with you.
Umm yeah. Im the creator. I can do what I want with it. Your my creation. What does it matter what you think? Also, again, aren't we talking about God here? Not me? Is your only skill in debating trying to attack the opponent or something?
I do find it interesting that you're not a believer though. It's rare to encounter such a lack of basic understanding of right and wrong without religious baggage attached.
Basic understanding of right and wrong? Hmmm. Okay so you want to take the argument into a new direction. Well I am sure you are aware that right and wrong is subjective. Same as good and bad. What is right? Whatmost people agree on? No. If everyone decides to be suicide bombers is it okay for you to be one? I don't know. It's all up to your moralstandards. If you can't understand that there is no absolute for morality then shut the fuck up. Because thats my main argument. God didn't murder. God clearly did it in a sense of justice. You do not have godly knowledge so who are you to judge?
I suppose you're just a sociopath.
Nah. I'm an upper middle class man who has time on his hands and likes to look at stocks from time to time.
Are we arguing about God or my morals? Stay on the fucking topic.
Your position is that it's perfectly fine for God to kill whomever he pleases, I thought you might care to defend your position. Instead, you simply restated it.
Basic understanding of right and wrong? Hmmm. Okay so you want to take the argument into a new direction. Well I am sure you are aware that right and wrong is subjective. Same as good and bad. What is right? Whatmost people agree on? No. If everyone decides to be suicide bombers is it okay for you to be one? I don't know. It's all up to your moralstandards. If you can't understand that there is no absolute for morality then shut the fuck up.
If you're not familiar with the science of morality, I suggest you challenge your current views and read up on the subject. Googling Sam Harris would be a good start.
Nah. I'm an upper middle class man who has time on his hands and likes to look at stocks from time to time.
Why would you think any of that precludes you from being a sociopath?
Your position is that it's perfectly fine for God to kill whomever he pleases, I thought you might care to defend your position. Instead, you simply restated it.
I was still waiting for a rebuttal. You didn't explain why I am wrong or anythig. You just proceeded with attacks.
If you're not familiar with the science of morality, I suggest you challenge your current views and read up on the subject. Googling Sam Harris would be a good start.
I think Psychology and Modernism is all I need thanks. Now where is my rebuttal?
Why would you think any of that precludes you from being a sociopath?
I think I know what the fuck I am. Now where is my rebuttal? Are you going to tell me why God is in the wrong?
Is it bad for God to destroy his own creation? It like making food or something amd[sic] then burning it because it tasted like shit.
It's exactly like that except we would know ahead of time that it would taste like shit, and always have the power to make it not taste like shit, and instead burn it anyway - and that it's people...
Why did God kill? Because of the actions of the humans.
and he killed out of jealousy that people believed in other gods and because people who didn't know good from bad ate some fruit.
And, if God had the ability to just forgive humanity without killing Jesus, then Jesus' sacrifice was based only on what God wanted, not the actions of humans.
It's exactly like that except we would know ahead of time that it would taste like shit, and always have the power to make it not taste like shit, and instead burn it anyway - and that it's people...
You must know two things.
1. Humans were good at first. They fell into sin themselves. So in the sense I am speaking of they made themselves taste like shit.
2. God isn't bound like time. So if you are going to equate him with some sort of time scale it's useless.
and he killed out of jealousy that people believed in other gods and because people who didn't know good from bad ate some fruit.
Killed out of good jealousy and justice you mean? Like he already warned? Yes. Also Adam and Eve knew the basic concept of whats right and wrong. They learned good and evil. The tree wasn't evil. The fruit wasn't evil. It had zero sin. Adam and Eve disobeyed amd released sin.
And, if God had the ability to just forgive humanity without killing Jesus, then Jesus' sacrifice was based only on what God wanted, not the actions of humans
Why should he base it on what you want? Most people weren't listening to him. So why? He always acted in accord to the humans.